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Old 02-08-2013, 01:53 PM
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The only weird thing is that Charlotte' horses do not compete in the Netherlands. So, she sends them there while she stays in Paris, goes to The Netherlands for a week to ride a little bit, takes them home with her to Paris, jumps a couple of shows in Paris and Fontainebleau, and then she sends the horses back to Edwina? Seems a little bit crazy if you ask me!

Also, have you noticed how she tells in the interview that she was the one who discovered Guccio but she graciously let Edwina have it? hahaha

In any case, it is obvious that her trips to the netherlands aren't doing her much good. This morning she was.... eliminated again, ladies and gentlemen! In a 1,20m. And, of course... she was the only one to be eliminated!

You know, scooter, at least the girl at your barn can get decent results when she rides the horses your trainer gets ready for her... charlotte is not able to finish a 1'20m!

Guillaume Canet is now sponsored by Gucci as well:

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Old 02-08-2013, 02:59 PM
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That's why I wondered too about her training here. We have many international and national acclaimed competitions going on here. And quite a few nearby Valkenswaard. (it's not as if the Netherlands is that big from the begin with, let's be real) I don't see why she would drag her horses all over Europe for amateur competitions. I'm sure it has to do with Gucci and where best to represent herself but she doesn't come across as someone who is dead serious about riding. Which is fine ofcourse. But if I was Frida, I would choose riders more internationally acclaimed in the main events. (eventing, dressage and jumping) Adelinde Cornelissen, Charlotte Dujardin, Zara Philips, Meredith Michaels Beerbaum to name a few on the top of my head.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:10 PM
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This is very common at a certain level. We have a young lady in our barn with 7 horses (1,000,000 Euro for the last one). She is having a semester in Tuscany and only flies in for the big competitions, having ridden not at all in between (not that she rides much when in the US as they have several houses around the country). The coaches keep the horses fit and sharp in between and show the animals in the major Grands Prix. Young lady loves to collect congratulations on Facebook for the coach's wins. Daddy also bought her her very own rehab layup farm for her convalescents. The horses in the string are in constant rotation because if she competes any of them too consistently they begin to get worried, much like Charlotte's animals. So by the coach riding them, they stay confident.
She sounds just as much a celebutante rider as Charlotte. I don't think I would put either young lady in the serious category of rider like an Ian Miller, Eric Lamaze or the Whittakers or Beerbaums.
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Old 02-08-2013, 03:52 PM
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In any case, it is obvious that her trips to the netherlands aren't doing her much good. This morning she was.... eliminated again, ladies and gentlemen! In a 1,20m. And, of course... she was the only one to be eliminated!

You know, scooter, at least the girl at your barn can get decent results when she rides the horses your trainer gets ready for her... charlotte is not able to finish a 1'20m!

Guillaume Canet is now sponsored by Gucci as well:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BClim43CcAEv-Xy.jpg:large
oh my, Guillaume is sponsored by Gucci? That means we'll see him a lot in the competitions

I cannot stop laughing at this girl, sorry. How can it be that she's eliminated at 1.20m when in the interview she said she rides 1.40m, that 1.40 is her level??
That's what I don't understand about her: she pretends to be something she's not: a good rider. If she wanted to be another rich girl jumping, no one would say she's a good rider but ok, no problem at all. But what she says never fits the reality, she thinks 1.40m is her level, she wants to go to the olympics some day, she talks like she takes it very serious.... it's like she lives in her own world, not the real on
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:35 PM
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She should have gone on with Phylosophy. It´s not late.
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:04 PM
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oh my, Guillaume is sponsored by Gucci? That means we'll see him a lot in the competitions

I cannot stop laughing at this girl, sorry. How can it be that she's eliminated at 1.20m when in the interview she said she rides 1.40m, that 1.40 is her level??
That's what I don't understand about her: she pretends to be something she's not: a good rider. If she wanted to be another rich girl jumping, no one would say she's a good rider but ok, no problem at all. But what she says never fits the reality, she thinks 1.40m is her level, she wants to go to the olympics some day, she talks like she takes it very serious.... it's like she lives in her own world, not the real on
My guess is that she's isolated to a very small circle consisting mostly of flatterers and sycophants and that she isn't someone who has an easy time seeing through that. Essentially yes, she does live completely in her own world.
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:14 PM
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My guess is that she's isolated to a very small circle consisting mostly of flatterers and sycophants and that she isn't someone who has an easy time seeing through that. Essentially yes, she does live completely in her own world.
I believe you are right, Hermione. Those closer to her are not interested in letting her see the truth. They get to much money out of her gullibility. Thierry gets the chance to ride horses he usually doesn't have a chance to ride, gets money from Charlotte, promotion for his school, he is even sponsored by Gucci!

And Edwina, of course she is a first class rider, but a sponsor of the level of Gucci is not that easy to find. She gets a lot of money and popularity out of her realtionship with Charlotte. I don't know how much of it it's true, but in her interview Charlotte tells she was the one who called Gucci to ask them to buy Guccio for Edwina.

To me the clue was when Edwina choose Charlotte as her bridesmaid when they only had known each other for one year... Really, she didn't have any closer grilfriends ???!!
Now, she's chosen her to write the prologue of her biography... She's a wonderful rider but she's also the biggest ass-kisser in the world!

I don't know, I kind of hoped that Gad would help her see the truth somehow. He looks like a clever guy. But he knows nothing of the horse world so he probably will take a while to realize how this people are making profit out of charlotte.
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:22 PM
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You would think given her results that no one would have to tell her she is either just not up to the task of being a competitive rider or that she does not train enough to get the results she may want. Surely it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out, no matter how many ass kissers are around you the results don't lie.
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:50 PM
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Oh, but I'm sure Thierry and Edwine find nice excuses for her (she's too much of a perfectionists and gets nervous at competitions, she has problems managing the stress of competitions, she jumping higher than 2 years ago, so she is progresing, the horse was sick, the horse is too delicate...). Let's face it, as much as I love the horse world, you'll rarely find a social circle with a higher percentage of crooks, maybe because they are so many wealthy people around wanting too show off :-)

Some pics from today. Sadly I don't seem to be able to enlarge de tumbnails. She looks pretty, a shame her hair is tied up, I would like to see how the new cut suits her:
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:52 PM
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^^ I agree, NGalitzine. Even if she's surrounded by ass kissers (which she clearly is!) her bad results are so obvious. Doesn't she realise there is something wrong? Even if they keep telling good results will come with time... she has had time enough to realise they are not coming, after all she didn't restart her career yesterday...

EDIT: I wrote my post while you're posting yours, so I didn't read, trepstep. But you raised a very good point which somehow answers my doubt. Charlotte seems to be a very insecure person, who doesn't know how to stand up and follow her own path by herself. She always needs to be surrounded by someone who somehow makes her feel protected. Maybe these people make her feel this way and she's way too insecure to leave the bubble she lives in....
Hope that Gad, who somehow lives more in the real world and had to carved his own way in life, makes her realise that, but maybe he needs time to realise what's going on. By now, he just believes what he's told and I assume they tell him the same things they tell Charlotte
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She sounds just as much a celebutante rider as Charlotte. I don't think I would put either young lady in the serious category of rider like an Ian Miller, Eric Lamaze or the Whittakers or Beerbaums.
No, but they are very serious horses indeed. The new one was 2nd in 2 of the biggest GP in the US last year. If I said the name you would know the horse. The reality in this market is that there are a few lucky sperm/hedge fund/venture capital/hollywood/royals who make the high end of the market go around. The ridiculous price range is alive and well, horse wise.
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I, wasn't questioning the merits of the horse flesh, merely the seriousness of the "celebutante" riders. Money can buy great animals and others can ride them to success but if the young ladies are intent on showing them themselves that takes a lot of training that their money cannot be a substitute for.
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Old 02-09-2013, 07:02 AM
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Is Guillaume Canet a good rider at least?
I thought mama Carolina would open her daughter's eyes to realize what is going on around her (if all these are true, of course)! But Char is a grown woman, over 25, who should know what is happening. She is not a child anymore. But i would agree with Gavras on his lates post/reference about her.

Trepstrep, in two of these photos she has her hair down.
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Pomeline-Fizz ♣ Charlotte Casiraghi: Jumping International de Bordeaux - 08/02/2013
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:25 AM
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she is simply amazing with short hair!
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comparing the previous photo..I think she already has cut yet..
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I don't like the new hair cut.

Update on her results for today: at 1.10m, she finished 64/74
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I don't like the new hair cut.

Update on her results for today: at 1.10m, she finished 64/74
She looks younger now... As If she is 13 (she had the same haircut at 13)
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I don't like the new hair cut.

Update on her results for today: at 1.10m, she finished 64/74
Impossible! Why, I hear she rides at the 1.40 level. Horse must have been nervous.

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Can someone explain me something? When we see the results in the website of the Jumping International de Bordeaux, like this The Result of Prix des Partenaires at Jumping International de Bordeaux
below the flags, there is a code. Charlotte's is PR2, for example. What does that mean?
I notice that in the more professional competitions, it's to do with the country but in the amateurs it's not the case
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