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Old 10-18-2005, 07:16 AM
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I think you're underestimating Caro's course of study; for what I know (and I hope with all my heart I'm not offending anyone) the workload in European Unis tends to be heavier than the workload for undergraduate studies in the US.
Did you speak to me? I'm European, as well, not French but German. I don't know what you think about German universities in your countries, but I can say it is different from university to univerity but generally, the level is quite high.
I REALLY didn't want to say that philosophy is easy, my best friend studies it, too, I just think that e.g. Prince William probably didn't give many thoughts to earning money and future job possibilities when he chose Art History. And I think that caroline didn't have the aim to be journalist or president, or soemthing like that. If it is true what you said that the Grand(e? oops)s Ecoles are much harder than the "ordinary Universities", than there was no need for her to go to the harder one as long as she didn't want it just for herself.

by the way. this discussion about more or less difficult school systems and universities is dangerous! In germany we have different systems in different parts of the country. Talking to my friends from other parts about school might soon become really bad! One has to be sensitive and sometimes better not say what you are really thinking. Just wanted to mention that because you never know1 After the pregnancy discussion we shouldn't start a new one about school systems:)
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Old 10-18-2005, 07:36 AM
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I was not answering directly to anyone, I was just explaining something about France that probably not the whole world knows, like Danielane has explained me something I didn't know about prep schools, and I sincerely hope I haven't offended anyone with my posts; if I inavertedly have, I apologize. I just think it is well known at least in Europe that French and in particular Parisien Unis and schools are very hard and demanding (if you want to go to study abroad mainly to have fun don't go there, my best friend had a really tough year at Science Poand I come from a very competitive uni ), but I didn't mean to bash any other schooling system. Each system in my opinion has its strenghs and weaknesses...

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Old 10-18-2005, 10:33 AM
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The secondary level is lycee, and you can choose between "general lycee" and technical lycee. After technical lycee you can pursue cursus in superior level. In superior level there are other school than grandes écoles and university.
About faculty, you're wrong because all the universities and grandes écoles we're speaking of are public and so rely on no benefactor. Only state gives money to them, so there aren't any benefactors. And for me that's the best: I would be very angry if I learnt that Charlotte was admitted in the Ecole Normale Supérieure, familiarly called "Normale Sup' ", only because pf her mother. So princess Caroline isn't benefactor of any school in France. It's not the same system than in America, that's why us french are so proud of it: the best universities are public and not receiving money from anyone except the state.
Thanks! So the technical Lycee is supposed to be the harder one, right? If students choose the general lycee, do they still take the bac?

That's cool that the best universities are public. I think some of our best universities are the public ones too (i.e. UCLA... all the UC's actually) but many of the most elite ones are private (i.e. Harvard, Columbia, NYU, Brown).
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Old 10-18-2005, 01:40 PM
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Thanks! So the technical Lycee is supposed to be the harder one, right? If students choose the general lycee, do they still take the bac?

That's cool that the best universities are public. I think some of our best universities are the public ones too (i.e. UCLA... all the UC's actually) but many of the most elite ones are private (i.e. Harvard, Columbia, NYU, Brown).
The technical lycee is not harder, it's a different way. The harder is said to be the scientific general bac. In general lycee, there are three ways for the bac: litterar, economic and social sciences, scientific. When you are a good pupil, you take a general bac (except if your passion for a job needs you to take a technical or professionnal bac). The most brilliant students are most of the time in scientific, but the most brilliant one I ever knew was in my class in litterar. I'm a very good student and I took a litterar bac, and I made after this very good studies. So there's no general rule.
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Old 10-18-2005, 04:27 PM
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The technical lycee is not harder, it's a different way. The harder is said to be the scientific general bac. In general lycee, there are three ways for the bac: litterar, economic and social sciences, scientific. When you are a good pupil, you take a general bac (except if your passion for a job needs you to take a technical or professionnal bac). The most brilliant students are most of the time in scientific, but the most brilliant one I ever knew was in my class in litterar. I'm a very good student and I took a litterar bac, and I made after this very good studies. So there's no general rule.
The three categories of general bac are:
1) Litterar (probably translates to English as 'classics'?)
2) Economic and social sciences
3) Sciences

Do I understand you correctly?

As for the others, are the technical and professional bac's two separate bac's?
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Old 10-19-2005, 06:27 AM
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The three categories of general bac are:
1) Litterar (probably translates to English as 'classics'?)
2) Economic and social sciences
3) Sciences

Do I understand you correctly?

As for the others, are the technical and professional bac's two separate bac's?
It's a little more complicated. There are common subjects to all the bacs, general, technical and professional, and subjects more specific to each bac. It's more a question, for the general bac, of proportions than specifics subjects. An example: all students must take philosophy at the bac, whatever their categories.

For the technical and professional bacs, there are many and various categories and specialities, so there isn't ONE technical or professional bac.
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Old 10-19-2005, 10:31 AM
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I think one of the questions was where Felix studies. I have always assumed that he and Charlotte are studying in the same school. Felix's father, Antoine, studied at ENS, which is where Charlotte is preparing to study (or hoping to study, if she passes the exam, and I'm certain she will!) :)
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Old 10-19-2005, 01:38 PM
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I think one of the questions was where Felix studies. I have always assumed that he and Charlotte are studying in the same school. Felix's father, Antoine, studied at ENS, which is where Charlotte is preparing to study (or hoping to study, if she passes the exam, and I'm certain she will!) :)
I wouldn't be so confident for Charlotte to pass the exam, when so many very brilliant student don't pass it. You have to wait, but sometimes the best don't pass it. We can't say that some or some are going to pass it. Trust me, I taked it and failed twice.
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Old 10-19-2005, 02:26 PM
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Ok, so my theory that they met at classe preparatoire stinks. I really would like to know what Charlotte`s career plans are. But I think only time will tell us.:)
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Old 10-19-2005, 02:39 PM
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I wouldn't be so confident for Charlotte to pass the exam, when so many very brilliant student don't pass it. You have to wait, but sometimes the best don't pass it. We can't say that some or some are going to pass it. Trust me, I taked it and failed twice.
We have to put positive energies out there. We have to support Charlotte, not put out negative energies that aren't any help to anyone.
Charlotte will pass. Felix will pass. :)
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Old 10-19-2005, 03:09 PM
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We have to put positive energies out there. We have to support Charlotte, not put out negative energies that aren't any help to anyone.
Charlotte will pass. Felix will pass. :)
Well, you'll understand that someone who failed an exam she wanted so much won't support lot of people for having this exam. Sorry!
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Old 10-19-2005, 04:02 PM
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As for her passing/not passing exam, we can only wish her all the best. She is very intelligent girl, demanding on herself (which was already said in this forum, connected with her grandmother's words), and probably aware of percentage of people-students who pass that exam..There's no doubt she'll give best of herself to pass (as other students do too), and we can't do anything else then just wait and see.. And wish all the best not only to Charlotte, to all students which will be in same situation! :)
Of course. But it stills hurt me to see people I know or I've heard talking about passing this exam.
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Old 10-19-2005, 04:23 PM
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Of course. But it stills hurt me to see people I know or I've heard talking about passing this exam.
Can you still take it again or is two a limit? If you can't take it again, then don't despair. You are young. You have many other avenues. Failing an extremely difficult exam does not strip away your worthiness. And of course, you're right, Charlotte might not pass, but I think it's always better to go through life thinking the best will happen, because it's too easy to go the other way, into that dark, negative place. Life is hard enough without reminding yourself of all the obstacles you "can't" overcome. Think in terms of "can" overcome.
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Of course. But it stills hurt me to see people I know or I've heard talking about passing this exam.
Don't you worry! As they say, where a door closes, another one opens for you!

Be sure to think there's something better and something that suits YOU exclusively - just around the corner. This might not sound very comforting now, but as time passes, you will be just fine. Things, they have a tendency to work out, you see.
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Can you still take it again or is two a limit? If you can't take it again, then don't despair. You are young. You have many other avenues. Failing an extremely difficult exam does not strip away your worthiness. And of course, you're right, Charlotte might not pass, but I think it's always better to go through life thinking the best will happen, because it's too easy to go the other way, into that dark, negative place. Life is hard enough without reminding yourself of all the obstacles you "can't" overcome. Think in terms of "can" overcome.
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No there's a limit. You must be less than 23 years old (and I'm less than years 23 old), but have not achieved a four-years degree after the bac, and I'm beginning my sixth year after the bac.
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Don't you worry! As they say, where a door closes, another one opens for you!

Be sure to think there's something better and something that suits YOU exclusively - just around the corner. This might not sound very comforting now, but as time passes, you will be just fine. Things, they have a tendency to work out, you see.
Yes, of course. And it's paradoxal because I know how it hurts to failed this exam.
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No there's a limit. You must be less than 23 years old (and I'm less than years 23 old), but have not achieved a four-years degree after the bac, and I'm beginning my sixth year after the bac.
That age limit is terrible. I know the US education system has many serious problems, but one thing I like about our culture is that anyone at any age can go to any school and take any exam. Even high school! There's no age limit for reinventing yourself, or trying again, in the US. But of course we have other problems (scores of them) so no one country is "better". I don't want anyone thinking I'm trying to imply the US better, because I'm not. That feature is just something I think we got right. I think the French have it right in other things. And Danielane, I'm confident you haven't passed that ENS exam because you will do something else just as great, perhaps better.
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I have a friend who has tried to get into a university for five-six years already. She still has a chance and if she's determined enough, she'll make it I'm sure. I second Ashley's opinion that it's better not to make things harder with age limits.

Some people only realize what they want to do with their lives at the age of, say, 25. What about higly intelligent people who've only recently migrated into France? What about people who have suffered illnesses and have thus been unable to pass the test?
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I have a friend who has tried to get into a university for five-six years already. She still has a chance and if she's determined enough, she'll make it I'm sure. I second Ashley's opinion that it's better not to make things harder with age limits.

Some people only realize what they want to do with their lives at the age of, say, 25. What about higly intelligent people who've only recently migrated into France? What about people who have suffered illnesses and have thus been unable to pass the test?
I'm a talking of a high school, a grande école, which is very different from an university. This grande école doesn't give diplomas. To get a diploma, you still have to university, and here you can enter whatever your age.And there's no test to enter at university. In this grande école, Normale Sup', it's not a test you have to pass to enter in it but what we call in french a concours (it means only the 75 best will enter). And there is an age limit. In Normale Sup', you're paid for studying here four years.
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What is the "concours" (=competition?) exactly? How long does it take?

The French system is very interesting, but it's very hard for me to understand. You say that a grande école is the same as high school? However, high schools in my understanding are not considered to be a very high level of education. So, les grandes écoles are institutions that do not offer diplomas but are still highly esteemed?

If you can not get a diploma from a grande école, is it so that people go to university after the grande école?

Oh well, this is a very difficult matter so I'm probably wrong about everything!
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