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Old 10-06-2011, 10:00 AM
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As much as I like Charlotte, i think you are both right. She says she is no socialite, or doesn't want to be recognized like one, but she is.
Of the Casiraghis, i think the only one that fits in a "normal" crowd is Andrea. Pierre and Charlotte look to much of "jetsetters", "eurotrash". Andrea looks more "normal". IMHO.
That's what i like about him, and Alexandra too. She is so lovely, i can perfectly see her hanging out with people outside that exclusive circle.
One thing I have never understood about the Casiraghi trio is that over the years Caroline has, and continues to, sue magazines that publish photos of them and insist of them not being titled so that they can lead normal lives, however they all then attend the glitzy socialite parties and pose for the paparazzi whilst at them.

IMO if Charlotte wants to do the socialite circuit and attend all the Chanel and Gucci parties then fine if that's her choice, but I think she has to recognise that she is only there because of who her mother is (ie. she is basically a Royal who doesn't want to admit it) and she has to expect that attending them will raise her profile and lead to press intrusion. You can't pick and choose. Charlotte has chosen to surround herself with high profile people and people from well known families, and she has chosen to attend the glitzy parties and be photographed at them for the magazines.

IMO I think she needs a stronger work life and to make more of her riding to give herself a better balance of work and play. From the outside looking in, she does a few amateur events and does okay in them and then attends every high fashion event going- and is surprised people ask her personal questions.
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:50 PM
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One thing I have never understood about the Casiraghi trio is that over the years Caroline has, and continues to, sue magazines that publish photos of them and insist of them not being titled so that they can lead normal lives, however they all then attend the glitzy socialite parties and pose for the paparazzi whilst at them.

IMO if Charlotte wants to do the socialite circuit and attend all the Chanel and Gucci parties then fine if that's her choice, but I think she has to recognise that she is only there because of who her mother is (ie. she is basically a Royal who doesn't want to admit it) and she has to expect that attending them will raise her profile and lead to press intrusion. You can't pick and choose. Charlotte has chosen to surround herself with high profile people and people from well known families, and she has chosen to attend the glitzy parties and be photographed at them for the magazines.
They talk about this in the book "The Charlotte casiraghi fan club". The author mentions that, according to Freud, fame and attention seeking behavior are mechanisms through which the individual validates their ego. Freud was wrong about a lot of things but this sure is thought provoking, no? Charlotte and Caroline come off as egomaniacs at times.

Perhaps Caroline is just displaying her inherent maternal instincts by being the "guard dog" of her family. But frankly, the company Charlotte keeps, and even their close relation with the fashion industry (frankly a twisted, at times sexually exploitative, and unhealthy industry) says to me that Caroline's judgement as a mother is a little off.
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Old 10-06-2011, 02:32 PM
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About Andrea and Tatiana:
I've been watching lots of pictures of them through the years, it's the only way i have to make an idea of what in this couple is going on.
At first, they looked very in love, but, it's normal in a relationship that recently grows. And they were 20-21 years old.
Then, they looked normal. Now, they look akward (in a loving relationship way)
Tatiana used to go out with Andrea everywhere, now we hardly see her in the same events with him.
Of course, as it's been said, it can be that they are extremely discreet and they don't need to show themselves kissing and hugging. But it's like their corporal language says otherwise.
I mean...there's this picture of Char and Alex in which they are not kissing nor hugging but they are close enough. Andrea and Tatiana don't have this sensation anymore. In these recents pics there's an akward distance. There's one or two pics in were they seem almost as close and Char and Alex, but Andrea is not in the same level next to Tatiana, he is like about leaving. Standing one step further than her. Like if they were posing for pics and then each one goes their way.

I can be wrong. It's just the way i see things. Maybe they are together and the relationship has grown more mature, they've been 7 years together (more or less).
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Old 10-06-2011, 05:25 PM
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Well, I think that the Casiraghi brothers ( all the three of them ) embarked in serious relationships way too soon.
Andrea got engaged at 20, Charlotte and Pierre at the same age ( more less).
I mean serious, steady relationships. I think it's great to find the love of your life that soon but there's the other side of the coin: The 20s are for having fun, experimenting,travelling and getting to know new people without the burden of the serious relationship.
It's normal that a relationship appears strained after such a long time, and they are so young ( Andrea is 27 ).
I think they should have waited more before embarking in serious things.
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Old 10-06-2011, 07:29 PM
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Obviously I can't speak with authority because I don't know these people, but I'm not sure that getting in a serious relationship after 18 is unhealthy. It depends on the personality. Andrea did have a few girls before he finally settled on Tatiana. Charlotte, as far as we know, didn't date anybody seriously until she was 18 with Felix. Pierre on the other hand was the "experimental" one, and I've got to say, it was rather unsettling to watch him fly through all those girls. If it had been Charlotte doing that, she would've been ripped to shreds. It seems that he and Bea have settled into a comfortable relationship, and I think they started when he was about 21?

I do hate to see fifteen year olds and under (and this actually happens) getting in "serious" relationships, but Charlotte, Pierre, and Andrea were all grown. Alot of people take longer to settle down, but it's not necessarily bad to settle down young unless you're emotionally immature or do it with the wrong person.
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Old 10-07-2011, 07:50 AM
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Do not forget that their father was 23 when he married Pcs Caroline, and they had children immediately. For a young man to wed at 23 it was very young, but he was happy. So maybe to settle early it on their "family" caracter.
Of course, we will never know if the marriage would last for ever, but it lasted 7 years, until ......
For the two boys, before their serious relationship, they had pleinty of other relationships, so you could not say that they did not "walk around".
And afterall.... nobody is married yet!!
Personnally, from the 3 Casi couples, I see the most explosive passion difficult to hide, Pierre and Beatrice. And for me I would see them marry first.
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Old 10-07-2011, 08:53 AM
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yeah, i agree. I give to Bea and Pierre the most possibilities of getting married first. Then - for me of course - it's Alex and Char's turn. They seem very close, happy and in love. I still have doubts about Andrea and Tati's kind of relationship. Andrea gives me the impression that he is not a very easy guy to get along with or the type of man that'll get married ot at least in a young age. Maybe after his 30s.
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Old 10-07-2011, 09:36 AM
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yeah, i agree. I give to Bea and Pierre the most possibilities of getting married first. Then - for me of course - it's Alex and Char's turn. They seem very close, happy and in love. I still have doubts about Andrea and Tati's kind of relationship. Andrea gives me the impression that he is not a very easy guy to get along with or the type of man that'll get married ot at least in a young age. Maybe after his 30s.

I have exactly the same thought about all you said. Since his father's loss Andrea has given me the impression of being the most hurt, the most sensitive and the most delicate in feelings among the 3.
Tatiana also seems very secret, very shy, and after all these years of 'limelights" she is still inexpressive and impossible to understand. I do not remember having see pics when she exploses laughing, she has good time or she is extremely angry. She is always flat!
So for this couple, is very difficult to make previsions, I would not be astonished if they marry tomorrow or if they split tomorrow!
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Old 10-08-2011, 07:32 PM
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She, unlike her cousins Camille,Pauline and Jazmin and sister Alexandra,couldn't fit in with "normal" people-they wouldn't feel comfortable around her, and she around them...it'd be a no-win situation.
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As much as I like Charlotte, i think you are both right. She says she is no socialite, or doesn't want to be recognized like one, but she is.
Of the Casiraghis, i think the only one that fits in a "normal" crowd is Andrea. Pierre and Charlotte look to much of "jetsetters", "eurotrash". Andrea looks more "normal". IMHO.
That's what i like about him, and Alexandra too. She is so lovely, i can perfectly see her hanging out with people outside that exclusive circle.

You know? I think that Charlotte did have a chance to be normal a few years ago.

Of course it depends on what you consider to be "normal" , because no matter what she would always had been rich and well-conected. But they are many wealthy people from privileged backgrounds that lead "normal" lives in the sense that they don't seem disconected from real life and can fit anywhere, even if they have a lot of money for travelling, live in wonderful houses, own eexpensive things, etc.

I'm not sure about her childhood in Saint Rémy. It certainly felt "normal" but sometimes I have the feeling that everything was a game for Caroline. Like a little girl playing houses and dolls. I remember a winter coat Charlotte used to wear when she was around 8. It was fun because it was obviously too big for her, and it reminded me of something that happens in most middle-class families: you have an 8 year girl and you buy her a coat in october and you buy it bigger than the child because you know she will outgrow it, and it's expensive and you want her to use it for a couple of years.
But Charlotte in her big coat at the Monaco National Day was a weird thing to see. You don't need to dress your children up in Chanel clothes, but buying such a big coat, and using it at a national event as if you couldn't afford a new one next year...? to me it looks like "pretending" and playing at been "middle-class" not like something real.

I rather think that Charlotte had a chance to be normal during Ernst years, when she was living in Fontainebleau. She was a privileged student, of course. But a privileged normal student.
Take Valentine. She comes from a wealthy family, she moves in the parisian "grand monde" (high society), she's got an old name, her family owns a magnificent hôtel... she is wealthy and privileged, and yet she is normal, she could fit everywhere, she seems much more down to earth than Charlotte, she takes horse-riding much more seriously, works in something she finds passionating.

Take Felix. He is not as rich and famous as Charlotte and her familiy, but he undoubtley is a privileged kid. He is rich, his mother is a reputed art collector... He could have taken profit from his relationship with Charlotte, and he probably got a lot of invitations to fashion shows etc when they were together and after they split up. And yet, he is normal, he studies hard, and leads a normal life.

For a while Charlotte seemed to belong with that kind of people. People with real interests in life, who can take a private flight one day and a public bus next day. But she missed the chance (and I use the word "missed" because I really think it's a pity. Now she seems to inhabit an artificial cristal world and being ages away from what real life is, and to be missing so many "real" things...)

Maybe that's whay she had so much charm during her student years, and why she looked special. Because she was beautiful and privileged but at the same time she was natural and real.

Imo, the turning point was the ENS exam. Of course I have no proof and it's just a personal opinon but it feels as if after making such an effort to get in and failing, she thought: "wait! why am I working so hard when all I need is a phone call from my mom and I'll get an intership whenever I want? Alex can get me a job at The Independent! I can phone my mother's friends and arrange an eco-fashion magazine! Horses? Why working hard if Rozier can get me into de GCT?" And suddenly she wanted all to be quick and shiny and she only wanted to rub shoulders with the top of the top! Of course everything looks fake (because it's fake) and she looks disconected with real life, and pretentious and a bit silly, living inside her bubble and pretending to be somethings she is not...
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Old 10-09-2011, 02:54 AM
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Very accurate post trepstrep. She has a kind of the "destiny" of the rich and famous. She is not bright enough to be in the top only by herself.. (like Zara Philips in ex) and automatically being just average but loving these things where she is average, her name, fame and beauty help her. And the question is : Who would reject using these arms which could make life sooo easier?
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:45 AM
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Answering fandesacs2003's latest question: Well, i think someone who - despite the wealth, the fortune and all the famous circles and his papa/mama's in high position friends - wants to prove that he is capable of doing something Alone, without help. Someone who wants to know how powerful and indepenent he is in order to form his character and of course someone who doesn't want to pretend he's another person. But you have to have guts to do it !

Trepstrep mentioned that Charlotte maybe is pretending to be someone else. I agree. And this thought came to my mind when i read the Vogue interview, which i found all pretendious. When you pretend, it means that you don't feel nice with yourself, you don't feel self-confident and you already recognize that you don't like the way you show yourself. That's pretty bad. Well, if that's a real thing that's happening to her, and of course if she knows it, it's in her hand to change it! Because for me, she always chooses the easiest way.
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Old 10-09-2011, 05:35 AM
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. And the question is : Who would reject using these arms which could make life sooo easier?
Right. It must be really tempting. Still, she is still only 25, and was even younger when she started changing her way of life, just 20 or 21. I think it would be foolish not to use her fantastic conections, but maybe she could have used them in a wiser way.?
Like, you think you want to be a journalist? Right. But first you finish your studies, and then you use the family phone book to get a good internship (we all use our family's phone books even if they are far more modests than hers). And when at your internship you start by covering low profile news for a while, maybe one year, just to learn who a real newaspaper works,and then, since you are friends with the big boss and you can have that wonderful chance, you sign your very first big piece.

You want to be a rider? Of course you can have the best teachers and buy wonderful horses, why won't you? But you do local competitions for a while, and wait till you have a semi-professional level, before talking to the press about going to the Olympics.

I don't think she does wrong in using all those arms or conections or whatever (I'm sure Felix and Valentine use them too, and you and me would, and well, everybody does on a certain level, let's face it!), but I thinkthat she could have used them in a wiser, more sensible, less glittering and less artificial way.
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At the end of the day, the old adage is true.. You are who your friends are.

I don't know much about the DeLalls, but I think things probably started to change when she jumped into a new relationship. Suddenly she was dating a young man who is surrounded by underage models and entertainment/nightlife types. Charlotte is gorgeous but she we all know even the most beautiful women can be insecure. Then came the frighteningly skinny look... Perhaps an influence of the new social scene she was in? I live in Palm Beach but read that Alex hosted a party at a South Beach club once... You're talking about a completely different guy from Felix. I'm not going to keep drilling on this board that I'm shocked that Charlotte surrounds herself with the sleaziest people.. But she does. And I think it is a result of dating Alex.
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^^ Charlotte is in the same circles she's always been in, or she was bound to be in once she grew up, Delalls are part of it too, but so is Felix to an extent and especially his sister who's part of NY trendy scene.
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I'm not going to keep drilling on this board that I'm shocked that Charlotte surrounds herself with the sleaziest people.. But she does. And I think it is a result of dating Alex.
I don'tknow Eugenie, Margheritta, etc were there before Alex I can't help but liking him.
He looks very supportive and if the first years of their relationship it looked as if Charlotte had given up her life and was in London living her boyfriend's life, now he is always with her in paris andd monaco. With her family, attenting boring horse competitions, boring fashion parties...
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^^ Charlotte is in the same circles she's always been in, or she was bound to be in once she grew up, Delalls are part of it too, but so is Felix to an extent and especially his sister who's part of NY trendy scene.
Ah yes, Cecile. She is certainly a part of that crowd. Some of the pics I have seen of her are less than flattering, that's how I'll put it.
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TrepStep, I too enjoy our debates. It would probably get boring if we all agreed. It's also interesting to talk to people from different countries.
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Anyway, I love disagreing with you, you're always so nice and polite!
You exactly say what I'm thinking about FanofMonaco, Trepstep. FanofMonaco you're always very polite, and even if I don't like when we don't agree about a subject, I know that your answers will be very respectful. Even a bit too optimistic for me but also very interesting, too. You know a lot of things about Monaco and Grimaldis, I'm very impressed. I learn a lot while reading your posts!
I have to recognize that yes, you're right... I may be a bit pessimistic, sometimes... I don't know why, but it's only with Charlotte. On other threads, I'm always optimistic! I think that's because there is something which is a bit fake about her. Her image seems false, built by medias (and maybe by Monaco) to sell more, this is what I don't like.
However, I'm happy to debate with you, and even if sometimes I go to far into pessimism (and I know that I can do it!) be sure that I'll always respect you for your nice and polite attitude, and that I like debating with you.
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I don'tknow Eugenie, Margheritta, etc were there before Alex I can't help but liking him.
He looks very supportive and if the first years of their relationship it looked as if Charlotte had given up her life and was in London living her boyfriend's life, now he is always with her in paris andd monaco. With her family, attenting boring horse competitions, boring fashion parties...
I'm not really referring to Eugenie or Margherita. She was certainly going to grow up with a close association to the fashion industry because of her mother and also because of her need for beautiful, stylish clothing for all of the events she attends. But within that world there are a lot of sleazy people and theres no denying that. The DeLalls just look vulgar to me, and they seem like club rats. Before Alex, Charlotte seemed so above that. She appeared very preppy and wholesome. But then.. I don't know, there was just a change in her demeanor. She dyed her hair black and lost a horrifying amount of weight.. to me she appeared somewhat 'jaded' and even insecure.
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