A boy for Andrea Casiraghi and Tatiana Santo Domingo - March 21, 2013

[Juliette2]

Actually, when you give birth at the Portland and you are readying to go home, you are given (among a a lot of other lovely things) a bottle of champagne! And you can drink it inside the hospital. Smoking, of course, is different!!
What I find funny is that they are celebrating in front of the hospital in an area that is quite small and where cars need to go drop-off and pick up patients (including women in labor!) and in front of a very busy street. This said, I think it just shows how happy and comfortable they all feel! Congratulations to them. Andrea looks tired - just like any new dad having probably slept VERY little in the previous few days. (I wonder when were these pictures taken?)

NOVAGENTE.pt:. Real : Tatiana e Andrea Casiraghirimeira consulta de Sacha

This article of portuguese magazine Nova Gente has pic of Tatiana and Andrea leaving the hospital this wednesday after an appoitment with the doctor. They also refer the fact that Portland is close to Notting Hill, where the couple must have an house. Notting Hill was also the place where the baby shower (we saw a pic from instagram) took place and is also where Muzungu Sisters is located

The picture above is taken on the same street of the Portland, in fact, it's right across the street, where a lot of pediatricians and other specialists affiliated with hospital have their practice.

The Portland is about 3 miles (4.5km) from Notting Hill.

Seeing charlotte sitting on a filthy street and the cigarette ugh! Happy for the healthy baby.
Do they normally live in London or just live all over?

Actually, she is sitting right outside the hospital's main entrance in aan area within the hospital, certainly not filthy (the whole place is spotless!). as far as the cigarette, yes I agree, I wish people didn't smoke - especially close to a maternal/children hospital, with many babies and pregnant women coming and going.

 

[cepe]

MAybe its in the car park, maybe they are celebrating as a group of friends together because after this moment they are going their different ways, maybe maybe maybe.... maybe we should not be so critical and just enjoy.

And preferably stick to the happiness of these people and stop raking over the past.

 

[GracieGiraffe]

When in Rome.....

Drinking and smoking outside the hospital looks odd to an American's eyes because it's just not done here. First of all, most hospitals that I know of allow no smoking whatsoever, even in its outdoor property, and drinking out on a public street is not allowed. The average happy American family would celebrate with food; baby blue wrapped chocolate cigars and a visit to the hospital's god-awful food court.

 

[cepe]

I think the message is its different the world over, dont be critical of different customs and be happy for the baby and parents.

 

[HRHHermione]

When in Rome.....

Drinking and smoking outside the hospital looks odd to an American's eyes because it's just not done here. First of all, most hospitals that I know of allow no smoking whatsoever, even in its outdoor property, and drinking out on a public street is not allowed. The average happy American family would celebrate with food; baby blue wrapped chocolate cigars and a visit to the hospital's god-awful food court.

America has a lot of different cultures, as you well know. I'm an American, and like I said, in my part of the country, this would be totally acceptable.

 

[Juliette2]

When in Rome.....

Drinking and smoking outside the hospital looks odd to an American's eyes because it's just not done here. First of all, most hospitals that I know of allow no smoking whatsoever, even in its outdoor property, and drinking out on a public street is not allowed. The average happy American family would celebrate with food; baby blue wrapped chocolate cigars and a visit to the hospital's god-awful food court.

I agree. Plus, there's so much traffic and pollution in front of that hospital that a cigarette probably wouldn't hurt anybody!! This said, it would be much more respectful not to smoke.

 

[cepe]

I agree. Plus, there's so much traffic and pollution in front of that hospital that a cigarette probably wouldn't hurt anybody!! This said, it would be much more respectful not to smoke.

I dont get "respectful" not to smoke - respectful of whom? It's allowed where they were.

It is respectful of all of us to accept different norms the world over.

 

[GracieGiraffe]

America has a lot of different cultures, as you well know. I'm an American, and like I said, in my part of the country, this would be totally acceptable.

Indeed, but NOLA is an entity unto itself in so many ways.

As I said, the laws in the states where I have lived prohibit it, so it's just not done, so it looks odd to see it. I'm not putting a value judgment on it, just saying it's unusual to see for most Americans.

 

[HRHHermione]

Indeed, but NOLA is an entity unto itself in so many ways.

As I said, the laws in the states where I have lived prohibit it, so it's just not done, so it looks odd to see it. I'm not putting a value judgment on it, just saying it's unusual to see for most Americans.

Absolutely true. And I lived in Atlanta for a few years as well, so I know it's just not done there.

I found that so strange when I first lived there.

 

[LadyFinn]

Andrea and Tatiana visiting the hospital
Monacon hovin vauvaonni tallentui kuviin - Uutiset - Viihde - MTV3.fi

 

[moby]

LOL those are some wonderful celebration photos. This kid will have lots of love from family and friends of his family, for sure. One thing's certain, this kid will have more fun in his life by the time he's five than all judgmental, self-righteous people here will ever have in their whole lives.

 

[iceflower]

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Off-topic posts about members of the British Royal Family have been removed. In addition to that this thread is not about smoking and drinking habits and prohibitions around the world but about the birth of a baby - let us please concentrate on that instead.

 

[Elly C]

I was surprised to see Alex in the hospital photos. I tend to think it was more a chance encounter given his girlfriend is also expecting a baby. I know he is a close friend of the couple but I wouldn't think it likely he would have been invited to the hospital to share in such a family occasion. Charlotte & he have both moved on, but after such a long relationship, sharing a "family" moment again must have felt a little strange for each of them.

 

[fandesacs2003]

In the pic where Pierre is having a big cigare there is a guy. Same ne in another pic is holding a bottle. Who is that guy?Never saw before.

 

[burnt]

In the pic where Pierre is having a big cigare there is a guy. Same ne in another pic is holding a bottle. Who is that guy?Never saw before.

Could be Julio Mario Santo Domingo Jr? Tatiana's brother?

I was surprised to see Alex in the hospital photos. I tend to think it was more a chance encounter given his girlfriend is also expecting a baby. I know he is a close friend of the couple but I wouldn't think it likely he would have been invited to the hospital to share in such a family occasion. Charlotte & he have both moved on, but after such a long relationship, sharing a "family" moment again must have felt a little strange for each of them.

Not strange imo, as you've said, both have moved on and I would think that the relationship between them had ran it's course but not the friendship.

Also, I've been wondering if the boy is going to be baptised in the royal chapel of Palais Princier.Hope to see see some pics of the new family in Monaco on May, during ths F1 season.Wishful thinking.

 

[compatissant]

God, what do they look like drinking and smoking in the street like that. I don't care what the occasion is it looks so common. When my own two kids were born none of my family would have dreamed of hanging around the hospital doing that. To think that if Charlene dosn't have a child this is what will be taking over Monaco.

My sentiments exactly. Which is why they don't have the respect of some/most of the other royal houses.

Diane

 

[NGalitzine]

My sentiments exactly. Which is why they don't have the respect of some/most of the other royal houses.

Diane

And yet those supposedly disapproving other royal houses manage to show up for funerals, weddings and other events in Monaco and invite the Grimaldis to events in their own countries, none of which they are compelled to do.
They were celebrating the birth of a child, generally considered a happy event, in a way that is not uncommon at all in the UK or elsewhere.

Get with the spirit of the thread!! Share a little happiness, you might like it

 

[azure]

Charlotte's ex boyfriends have suddenly come to the surfice again!! Felix in the Rose Ball and now Alex!!

 

[trepstrep]

I would actually say that in a way, you're both right.

There is such thing as illegitimate children, pretty much regardless of where you go. Illegitimate children are children who are born out of wedlock and remain that way - a child can be retroactively legitimized (at least in some countries) through the marriage of their parents.

The fact that British law uses the term "illegitimate" in reference to such children means that the concept exists. It doesn't mean that they don't have equal rights to legitimate children - and they do - it just means that they are recognized legally as being illegitimate.

I guess you're partly right, Ish. The concept od "illegitimate" children doesn't exist everywhere. It doesn't exist for sure in Spain or France, the 2 countries I know better about (I mean, everybody knows what it means, like many ancient legal terms, but it is not "legal" anymore, and it doesn't apply to "modern" children.
My mistake was that I just asumed that things were the same in the UK.

But after researching a bit the british law, it's obvious that the term "illegitimate" is still in use in the british legal jargon, even if the children have the same rights than "legitimate" ones.

 

[julliette]

In the pic where Pierre is having a big cigare there is a guy. Same ne in another pic is holding a bottle. Who is that guy?Never saw before.

He is Andrea Stefanowicz Sabrier, a friend of the set for a long time. His presence proves that not only family came to see Tatiana but also close friends, which explains Alex's presence there. Nothing surprising at all.

 

[trepstrep]

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Well, I was obviously wrong, and that swedish magazine had it right! That story about Alex been there and them all drinking it the street sounded bizarre and made up, but it obviously was true!

I believe in most monarchies, legitimacy makes a difference as to the line of succession.

In the Monaco legitimacy can be retroactively applied; a child born illegitimately is legitimized by the marriage of his or her parents. Andrea's son, or Albert's children for that matter, can be legitimized by a later marriage and will subsequently have a spot in the line of succession. This is not the case in all monarchies.

Is it not? I didn't know!Could you elaborate please? I always though retroactive legitimacy was applied in all monarchies, but maybe it's just a catholic thing?

I see nothing wrong with the pics. Just a bunch of people happy with the arrival of a new baby.
What's so bad with Charlotte's pic? A girl sits on the floor to smoke a cigarette. Happens all the time.
One of them brought a bottle of champagne and they are sharing it amongst them. I see no one drunk and or even close to that. Pierre is smoking a cigar like many people do. They all seem happy.
And of course, they are doing it outside the hospital since drinking and smoking are forbiden inside. Also, better to make noise outside than inside.
They don't look regal but they are in their private time in a family ocasion and maybe didn't even know they were being photographed.
They don't look regal but they don't look bad too, IMO. Just a bunch of normal people.

Well said!

The fact is that they represent a country, we not.

Oh, come on! It's not as if they were princes of a real democratic country! They're just the owners of a tax haven diminutive rock by the mediterranean !!

 

[BrazilianEmpire]

Is it not? I didn't know!Could you elaborate please? I always though retroactive legitimacy was applied in all monarchies, but maybe it's just a catholic thing?

The United Kingdom - In order to succeed to the Brisitish Throne, one has to be a legitimate descendent from Electress Sophia of Hanover. Legitimised children remains inelegible. You can't be a Roman Catholic, or has ever been married to a Roman Catholic.

Spain - Only legitimate descendents of King Juan Carlos can succeed.

Denmark - Only descendents from King Christian X and Queen Alexandrine can succeed. Individuals born to unmarried dynasts or to former dynasts that married without royal permission, and their descendants, are excluded from the throne.

Sweden - Only legitimate Lutheran descendents of King Carl XVI Gustaf are entitled to succeed.

Norway - Only legitimate descendents from the reigning Monarch and his/her sibling can succeed.

The Netherlands - Only legitimate relatives of the Monarch can succeed.

Belgium - Only legitimate descendents from King Albert II can succeed.

Luxembourg - Only legitimate descendents from Grand Duke Henri can succeed.

Liechtenstein - Only male-line male descendents from the Princes of Liechtenstein can succeed.

Japan - Only male-line male descendents from Emperor Taisho can succeed.

Brazil - Only legitimate Brazilian descendents of Emperor Pedro I can succeed. People born to former Dynasts are excluded from the Throne.

I know nothing about other Lines of Succession, but seems that only Monaco accept retroactive legitimisation. They like to be different.

 

[Ish]

Is it not? I didn't know!Could you elaborate please? I always though retroactive legitimacy was applied in all monarchies, but maybe it's just a catholic thing?

It's not that it's a Catholic thing, it's that it's a new concept (retroactive legitimacy that is). If a country introduces its retroactive legitimacy laws after it introduces it's succession laws then the legitimacy laws don't apply to the succession.

Thus, in Britain the concept of legitimacy can be applied retroactively, but a child born out of wedlock, regardless of his or her parents' later marital status, is not in the line if succession.

We see this in the case of the Lascelles. The 8th Earl of Harewood, David Lascelles, and his wife, Margaret, have four children. The first two, Emily and Benjamin, were born prior to their marriage, and the second two, Alexander and Edward, were born after their marriage. Consequently, neither Emily, Benjamin, nor Emily's children, are in the line of succession to the British throne. On the other hand, Alexander is something like the 53rd person in the line of succession (or was as of 2011), immediately after his father. Alexander's son, also illegitimate, is not in the line of succession, and the 54th person (or thereabouts) is Edward. Furthermore, the heir apparent of the Earldom of Harewood is the current Earl's second born but first legitimately born son, Alexander, whose heir presumptive were he to inherit today would be his younger brother.

 

[Ish]

The United Kingdom - In order to succeed to the Brisitish Throne, one has to be a legitimate descendent from Electress Sophia of Hanover. Legitimised children remains inelegible. You can't be a Roman Catholic, or has ever been married to a Roman Catholic.

Not entirely true.

Only legitimately born descendants from Electress Sophia of Hanover can inherit, and currently rules of male primogeniture apply.

Children born out of wedlock or adopted are ineligible to inherit. The Royal Marriage Act 1772 applies to all descendants of George II, and marriages in contravention to the act are deemed void and offspring resulting from it are ineligible.

Being a Roman Catholic makes one ineligible as well. If one marries someone who at the time of the wedding is a Roman Catholic then they become ineligible. However, if the Roman Catholic converts prior to the marriage then the succession remains intact (such as when Peter Phillips married Autumn Kelly), or if a spouse who was not Catholic at the time of marriage but later converted, the line of succession remains intact (as is the case of the Duke of Kent). Individuals who have a Catholic parent can be in the line of succession if they themselves are not Catholic - the Duke of Kent's daughter (and her children) is in the line of succession despite her mother's religion, and until such time as they are confirmed as Roman Catholics (as teenagers), some of the children of the Duke of Kent's sons are in the line of succession as well (both of his sons married Catholics and one converted, so their 5 children are all being raised Catholic but as of yet only 2 have been confirmed, so the other 3 are still in the line).

 

[julliette]

I'm sorry for my ignorance but what do you mean with being confirmed as a catholic?

 

[Ish]

In the Catholic Church there are 7 sacraments, one of which is confirmation. As per Wiki, through it Catholics "receive the Holy Spirit and become adult members of the Catholic Church." Basically (I think) it's the point at which the individual accepts the church for him or herself as opposed to simply something their parents make them do. Currently it typically occurs between the age of 11 and 16.

In terms of the succession to the British throne, it means that individuals raised in the Catholic Church are eligible to succeed to the throne until they are confirmed in the church - prior to that point from a succession standpoint they're not seen as Catholics. Thus, the Earl of St Patrick's children are in the line of succession until their confirmation - his elder children, Lord Downpatrick and Lady Marina-Charlotte have both been confirmed and thus are not in the line of succession, while his youngest, Lady Amelia, has not yet been confirmed and is still in the line. Both of the children of Lord Nicholas Windsor were baptized in the Catholic Church, but are in the line of succession for now as they haven't been confirmed (the elder is 5).

 

[Jaya]

Sacha is the nickname for Alexandre. Nice name.
If one day he becomes Prince it will be Alexandre

Thank you for that clarification Fandesacs. I like the idea that he might one day be Prince and be heir to the throne too .

 

[burnt]

Are these pics been posted already?

Primeras imágenes de Andrea Casiraghi y Tatiana Santo Domingo como padres - Foto 1

Good to see that he had shaven his beard..they look fine and content.Normal lol

http://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_mo...ghi-tatiana-santo-domingo-primeras-foto-hijo/

According to Hola,wedding is going to be this summer and it's going to be an entirely private affair.It may be celebrated in Switzerland,country where Tatiana was born followed by a party in Monaco with all their friends although nothing is official yet.

 

[cdm]

Would that be a Muzungu scarf on Sasha's maxicosi?

I wonder if Andrea works in London.

 

[julliette]

In the Catholic Church there are 7 sacraments, one of which is confirmation. As per Wiki, through it Catholics "receive the Holy Spirit and become adult members of the Catholic Church." Basically (I think) it's the point at which the individual accepts the church for him or herself as opposed to simply something their parents make them do. Currently it typically occurs between the age of 11 and 16.

In terms of the succession to the British throne, it means that individuals raised in the Catholic Church are eligible to succeed to the throne until they are confirmed in the church - prior to that point from a succession standpoint they're not seen as Catholics. Thus, the Earl of St Patrick's children are in the line of succession until their confirmation - his elder children, Lord Downpatrick and Lady Marina-Charlotte have both been confirmed and thus are not in the line of succession, while his youngest, Lady Amelia, has not yet been confirmed and is still in the line. Both of the children of Lord Nicholas Windsor were baptized in the Catholic Church, but are in the line of succession for now as they haven't been confirmed (the elder is 5).

Thank you for the explanation. I know the ceremony you're talking about. In Portugal we call it Crisma. My doubts arised because though it IS in fact a confirmation that you belong to the Catholic Church and it marks the end of you preparation, sometimes we forget about it. In fact, Crisma is not that important to many people here in Portugal, I know many people who never did it (myself included) and it would never cross anyone's mind to say they are not catholic. Interesting fact that of still being in line of sucession until confirmed.