William, Harry and girlfriends and the press

[muriel]

Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade

i think that tabloids or especially the weekly tabloid celebrity magazines to a certain degree reflect public opinion or public interest, otherwise they would not exist (let's leave out the intellectual standard or who has what intentions behind the scenes). the fact that kate middleton appears in these magazines alongside all these celebrity people as soons as she's out there is an indication that in public she's widely seen as one of them, at least for me.

IMO, the tabloids tend to cover any public person including HM, the other royals, Dave & Sam Cam, the Browns, the Blairs..... pretty much anybody. So I am afraid that on the basis of the reasons youhave put forward, your argument does not hold, for me at least!

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by Menarue

I bet it isn´t for the food.

Could it be for the chance for the paps to grab their 5 minutes of fame, photographing each other?

[muriel]

Originally Posted by Al_bina

Upon reading the discussion, I am inclined to agree with views of Duke of Marmalade, Boris, and Idriel on the matter. It appears to me that being Prince William's girlfriend is the excuse of Ms. and Mrs. Middleton for absolutely everything, including the current wardrobe mulfucntion. They have displayed a total inability to manage the mass media.

Who have they been giving these "excuses" to? Why should they be trying to manage the mass media? As far as I am aware, they ave never spoken to the media, other than the supposed "interview" that Carole gave to Mandrake!

[Menarue]

Originally Posted by Skydragon

Could it be for the chance for the paps to grab their 5 minutes of fame, photographing each other?

I doubt it, I don´t think they would get past the door the way they dress.

[Al_bina]

Originally Posted by muriel

Who have they been giving these "excuses" to? Why should they be trying to manage the mass media? As far as I am aware, they ave never spoken to the media, other than the supposed "interview" that Carole gave to Mandrake!

One time is more than enough. It has been implied by Mrs. Middleton, the paparazzis make it impossible to for Ms. Middleton, Prince William's girlfriend, to work and do anything. Thus, it is possible to assume that being the girlfriend is an excuse for doing thing the way Mrs.and Ms. Middleton do.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by Menarue

I doubt it, I don´t think they would get past the door the way they dress.

Well they are covered from head to toe, so I thought they would be acceptable, scruffy oiks to me but their dress code would be approved by some ....

[CasiraghiTrio]

Originally Posted by Skydragon

Look in any of the newspaper 'entertainment sections' or celeb magazines and they all include royalty, including W & H, C & C etc. Sadly all the weekly magazines reflect is the mentality of their readers, who pour over stories such as 'my husband was my wife and he/she ran off with my best friend straight after the ceremony', certainly NOT the views of ordinary members of the public, IMO.

The tabloids market sensationalism, shock value, that grabs attention in an Attention Deficit, busy bee world, in grocery store checkout lines. The British tabloids, for whatever reason, have a certain special talent for it but the US tabloids do a pretty good job as copycats. LOL

[Amelia]

Originally Posted by Al_bina

.......It has been implied by Mrs. Middleton, the paparazzis make it impossible to for Ms. Middleton, Prince William's girlfriend, to work and do anything. Thus, it is possible to assume that being the girlfriend is an excuse for doing thing the way Mrs.and Ms. Middleton do.

I think that it has been implied by the DM that Mrs Middleton told a friend, who of course told them, that Kate can't get a normal job because of her relationship. (Although I'm sure that others that work at Party Pieces consider what they do a normal job) The only thing that Mrs Middleton has ever been quoted as saying is that she didn't ask for any of this attention, that she has two other children besides Kate and that she is concerned about them and her business.

[Duke of Marmalade]

Originally Posted by Amelia

The only thing that Mrs Middleton has ever been quoted as saying is that she didn't ask for any of this attention, that she has two other children besides Kate and that she is concerned about them and her business.

yes, mrs middleton did not ask for the attention and is concerned about her business. i wonder how this corresponds to the picture of mrs middleton and her daughter kate on party pieces website. Honi soit qui mal y pense the truth is that kate is the best thing that has ever happened to carole's business, how hypocritical of her to complain.

[Al_bina]

The words of Mrs. Middleton, which have been communicated to the mass media outlets via confidantes/close friends, can be interpreted in many ways. It does not matter what Mrs. Middleton does or says now, this perception of (i.e., being the girlfriend is a universal excuse for everything, including impossiblity for Ms. Middleton to lead a normal life) will unlikely to change. Some actions of Mrs. Middleton are similar to those of Mrs. Bennet (Pride and Prejudice by ever relevant Ms.Austen)
As usually, Duke of Marmalade has made valid observations.

[Menarue]

Poor Mrs Bennet had 5 Kates to marry off well.
I suppose we should sympathise with Mrs M, she can´t even chew gum in peace.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by Al_bina

The words of Mrs. Middleton, which have been communicated to the mass media outlets via confidantes/close friends,

And yet we have absolutely no proof they are the words of Mrs Middleton via anyone, just words printed in a rather unreliable tabloid.
What if I write - Mrs Middleton confided in a close but unnamed friend that everything written in the tabloids is untrue and the vitriol directed at her and her daughter on the Royal Forums and other less salubrious internet sites are rather unsavory and unfounded rantings of a minority. - does that make it true? After all it is probably as accurate as any tabloid article!

[Al_bina]

I dare to say that truth is somewhat irrelevant at this point. As Lenin aptly pointed out, “A lie told often enough becomes truth”. Everybody is green with envy... evil tabloids are there to get a poor girl... people spread malicious lies about fluffy innocent Middletons... These arguments have become trite. It is like crying wolf too many times.

[kimebear]

Unless, of course, what is being said is true. Truth is never irrelevent to the people that are involved in a situation.

[muriel]

Originally Posted by Al_bina

One time is more than enough. It has been implied by Mrs. Middleton, the paparazzis make it impossible to for Ms. Middleton, Prince William's girlfriend, to work and do anything. Thus, it is possible to assume that being the girlfriend is an excuse for doing thing the way Mrs.and Ms. Middleton do.

As Skydragon has pointed out, there is absolutely no basis for some of the tabloid stories - they have not ben attributed to a named source, and can be fabricated by anybody. The example she gave demonstrates the point.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by Al_bina

I dare to say that truth is somewhat irrelevant at this point. As Lenin aptly pointed out, “A lie told often enough becomes truth”.

Truth is never irrelevant!

It is like crying wolf too many times.

???? I am aware of the story but fail to see any significance.

[muriel]

Originally Posted by Al_bina

It does not matter what Mrs. Middleton does or says now, this perception of (i.e., being the girlfriend is a universal excuse for everything, including impossiblity for Ms. Middleton to lead a normal life) will unlikely to change.

In whose mind are you referring to this perception of Mrs Middleton - the Daily Mail, the people who believe the Mail when they read it, or a section of the TRF readers? To these people, you are right, nothing matters at all!

Originally Posted by Al_bina

I dare to say that truth is somewhat irrelevant at this point.

Quite right, for some small details like the truth never get in the way of their chosen train of thought.

[Amelia]

Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade

yes, mrs middleton did not ask for the attention and is concerned about her business. i wonder how this corresponds to the picture of mrs middleton and her daughter kate on party pieces website. Honi soit qui mal y pense the truth is that kate is the best thing that has ever happened to carole's business, how hypocritical of her to complain.

It's her company and she posted a photograph of herself, her daughter (whom she credits with the setting up of a new venture) and the chief buyer (whom she credits with the setting up of another) on her website. Is this such a really strange thing to do? Or is it just because it has a connection to Kate and her family that it is wrong? I'm sure Kate's high press profile has helped her mother's company in the past but in the current economic climate it is small family owned companies, like Party Pieces, that are being effected and I don't think Kate's that connection with the company is going to help a whole lot at the moment . Why is it hypocritical of Mrs Middleton to complain and worry like everyone else?

[Al_bina]

As for the truth, it is irrelevant now. Are the Middletons going to issue a statement so that the public at large can have an opportunity to know their side of the story? They knew the rules of the game. Let them reap the consequences now.

[Mermaid1962]

Ideal world? How about a decent one?

Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade

yes that is correct in an ideal world but get real please,