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Old 11-06-2010, 02:01 PM
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And once they marry people will like Kate for this loyality, even though they won't know her and her William.
I doubt this very much.
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Old 11-06-2010, 02:33 PM
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People"most royal watchers" always want to know more. The fact that Kate is and will be loyal to William will be expected, and not a reason to like/love a new princess. I believe she will have to do alot more to earn the respect of what (if the marry) will be her people someday. Such as put herself out there and step her game up by finding her place in royal life ie: charity, royal duties, and yes actually speaking to the public, in my opinion even after all this I too highly doubt that this will quench their thirst to want to know more.
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Old 11-06-2010, 03:29 PM
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All that is and would be important to me is that they love and support each other and continue to do so.

What kind of role would actually be expected of Kate may she become William's wife one day?
Does it differ much from Camilla's or not?

Royal Families have had a magnetic attraction to the 'common' people from the early ages.
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Old 11-06-2010, 03:38 PM
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would kate really want to marry william because life for her would really change and she hasnt prepared for it ...
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Old 11-06-2010, 03:42 PM
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I doubt this very much.
Me too.

Kate loyalty is being interpreted as hanging on the big prize, no matter what. Maximal social climbing. And that is not a positive thing.
In case they will get married, Kate will have to do a pleasing campaign towards the public, big time. Until this very day, she is not popular at all.
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Old 11-06-2010, 04:05 PM
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May I ask how this is known? Is it your opinion or has it been printed somewhere?
In any case I'd like to know then why she is not popular.
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Old 11-06-2010, 05:48 PM
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The Duchess of Cornwall completed around 201 engagements in 2009. Which is not alot compared to some of the other family members. If they marry while William is in the military I don't think much will be expected of them at first but as the years go on she will be expected to "perform" many more royal duties then this to support William.
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Old 11-06-2010, 05:53 PM
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May I ask how this is known? Is it your opinion or has it been printed somewhere?
In any case I'd like to know then why she is not popular.
I dont want to go too much into detail since this topic has filled hundreds of pages in various threads.
In the UK the wider public will think of Kate as a social climber, workshy etc etc and she is definitely not popular, there is no excitement about a wedding in the public apart from magazines like Hello! that depend on a love story to sell. William is not popular either by the way. For example in Germany people tend to think that QEII should hand over to William instead of Charles, no such sentiment in the UK. William is seen as somebody who doesnt want to commit, neither in private life or duty with a personality as dull as dishwater.

I have lived in the UK for many years and this is the vibe I have been getting, other poster may see it differently of course.
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Old 11-06-2010, 06:13 PM
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All the magazines say that William will visit his grandmother to ask for Kates hand. Why does no one say that he is going to visit his gran to call off the relationship? Or HM is going to say No, we don't want her in our family.
I think Kate would have to be a total psycho for the queen to tell him no or her parents would have to be total crazies as well.

Anyway, he doesn't need her permission, right? It's only if he's under 25, I thought--the person he should be asking is Kate's parents, unless that isn't so common in England to do.
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Old 11-06-2010, 06:23 PM
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Duke of marmalade, here's a poll from the Reuters news agency which would contradict your view of the matter:
Britons favor Prince William as next king: poll | Reuters

... another one on the same topic:
A new poll reveals most Britains prefer Prince William over his father Charles as their next king, and also favor his girlfriend Kate Middleton over Camilla. How do you think Charles is taking the news?

...and the student vote...
Should Prince Charles abdicate his position as heir apparent to Prince William? - The Student Room
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Old 11-06-2010, 06:24 PM
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Anyway, he doesn't need her permission, right? It's only if he's under 25, I thought
If he doesn't get the Queen's permission, he has to notify the Privy Council and wait a year to see if the marriage is rejected by Parliament.
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Old 11-06-2010, 07:13 PM
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I think Kate would have to be a total psycho for the queen to tell him no or her parents would have to be total crazies as well.

Anyway, he doesn't need her permission, right? It's only if he's under 25, I thought--the person he should be asking is Kate's parents, unless that isn't so common in England to do.
Under the Royal Marriage Act he needs the Queens permission or that of the parliament, if she says 'no'. Up to 25 he could only marry with the monarch's permission but over 25 the second option becomes available. Currently William, Harry and Zara have the second option but Beatrice and Eugenie can only marry with the Queen's permission.

Say he asks the Queen at Christmas and she says no - he could then send a petition to the Privy Council and wait twelve months. Then if neither the House of Commons or the House of Lords says 'no' he could marry her.

As for asking Kate's father/parents that is a personal matter and not a requirement.

Even Charles had to ask permission from his mother to marry Camilla, as well as Diana, and he was well over 25 in both cases. The official announcement usually has words like 'to which the Queen has given her consent'.
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Old 11-06-2010, 07:25 PM
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Duke of marmalade, here's a poll from the Reuters news agency which would contradict your view of the matter:
... another one on the same topic:
A new poll reveals most Britains prefer Prince William over his father Charles as their next king, and also favor his girlfriend Kate Middleton over Camilla. How do you think Charles is taking the news?
Hi Renata
PC x PW= Prince William(Win)
but, and
PW x Princess Anne (exemple) =
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Lumutqueen:'I doubt this very much.'
me too

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Duke of Marmalade:'William is seen as somebody who doesnt want to commit, neither in private life or duty with a personality as dull as dishwater.'
exactly and : The bubble has burst.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...alls-laws.html
"Not enough people care for chilly, charisma-free William or his nice but dull girlfriend.Kate has none of Diana's star power, nor her dangerous allure and ability to stir public passion." and "For something has soured in our relationship with the Royal Family.Over the past few years, too much lemon has been squirted on the cream of the unquestioning public endorsement they once took for granted."
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Old 11-06-2010, 07:55 PM
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Very interesting but not up to date - the first two articles are from 2007.

The third one actually says that Charles is preferred to William. The question asks whether Charles should give up his place for William and 41% say he should stay where he is and only 31% say they want William over Charles. The rest are undecided (from 97 votes).
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Old 11-06-2010, 09:23 PM
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All anyone can ask is that they find a mate/partner that loves them, respects them, supports them in good and bad times, is a good mother/father to kids if any come from the relationship.
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Old 11-06-2010, 09:32 PM
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Well said, Little_Rain. Simple and to the point. Welcome to the Forum!
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Old 11-06-2010, 10:08 PM
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Under the Royal Marriage Act he needs the Queens permission or that of the parliament, if she says 'no'. Up to 25 he could only marry with the monarch's permission but over 25 the second option becomes available. Currently William, Harry and Zara have the second option but Beatrice and Eugenie can only marry with the Queen's permission.
That's interesting! And slightly bizarre in the case of Beatrice and Eugenie...but it makes sense when you consider that years ago Queen Victoria used to play matchmaker with her granddaughters to other children of royalty all over the globe.

So, does she literally have to sign off on all of them getting married...like an official document?
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Old 11-06-2010, 10:35 PM
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For all we know, she might have been preparing for years.


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Old 11-06-2010, 10:42 PM
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That's interesting! And slightly bizarre in the case of Beatrice and Eugenie...but it makes sense when you consider that years ago Queen Victoria used to play matchmaker with her granddaughters to other children of royalty all over the globe.

So, does she literally have to sign off on all of them getting married...like an official document?

Yes - the request is a formal request not just a quick chat over a cuppa and she has to formally inform the Privy Council that she has given her consent. All decisions of the Privy Council are formally signed.

Why do you think it is bizarre with regard to Beatrice and Eugenie?

She has to give consent to all descendents of George II, unless descendents of a British Princess who married into a foreign royal house, which could actually mean that the law no longer apply as the entire BRF are descended from such a princess through Queen Alexandra but that has never been challenged in court.

When Ernst of Hannover married Caroline of Monaco he asked Queen Elizabeth as a descendent of George II.

Any marriage of a descendent of George II without that consent (unless of a descendent of a princess who married into a foreign royal house) is not legal without that consent and any children have no rights of inheritance based on legitimacy.
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Old 11-07-2010, 01:26 AM
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That's interesting! And slightly bizarre in the case of Beatrice and Eugenie...but it makes sense when you consider that years ago Queen Victoria used to play matchmaker with her granddaughters to other children of royalty all over the globe.

So, does she literally have to sign off on all of them getting married...like an official document?
The only reason Beatrice and Eugenie must have her permission before marrying is because they are under 25. Once they pass that milestone, they'll be able to seek Parliament's approval should Granny refuse permission.
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