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Old 10-21-2010, 02:43 PM
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I agree with you wholeheartedly, Zonk! Kate needs to step it up a little..
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Old 10-21-2010, 02:47 PM
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almost the same personality to Diana.
You want him to marry his mother? Why?

And what exactly should Kate do?
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Old 10-21-2010, 03:12 PM
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OK! Magazine: First For Celebrity News :: Funny News :: Apparently Prince William and Kate Middleton will wed at St Paul's Cathedral
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Old 10-21-2010, 03:17 PM
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That article is based on bets people are taking.
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Old 10-21-2010, 04:17 PM
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The fact that the media is still interested in Kate and Williams (incredibly boring) relationship is a good thing. People have speculated and talked about royal relationships for hundreds of years--and they enjoy it most when the royals are looking bad. So being talked about (good or bad) is a good thing in the royal business haha.

What William needs to look out for is the loss of public interest. That is what Prince Charles and Camilla have. No one cares, no one thinks of Prince Charles as "special" or "royalty". Charles and Camilla are dull, dull, dull. If Prince William and Kate don't up the ante I'm afraid for the monarchy's future in this fast-paced, easily bored society
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Old 10-21-2010, 04:31 PM
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It's said they will marry next year and since it's about 30 years until he becomes king, that is soon enough. He seems to enjoy his work and Kate by his side.
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Old 10-21-2010, 05:08 PM
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What is William supposed to do to "up the ante", is he supposed to get married? Is he supposed to perform some trick that only a prince can perform?
William is William, he cannot help that, if he doesn't want to change then we shouldn't force him to.

Bad press is not good for royal business, and most press that Kate and William get is either pending engagement stuff or Kate's family have done something. Not exactly exciting or newsworthy information.
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Old 10-21-2010, 06:59 PM
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i will probably grow ...met someone and have kids before these two every marry
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Old 10-21-2010, 07:01 PM
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I think William is very much a victim of his upbringing and I mean that in a good way.

He reminds people of his mother and he has father's sense of duty. That being said....William is not looking for a lot of drama or a celebrity like existence. If you want pizzaz watch a television show, read a tabloid magazine, go to a movie. Royals are not celebrities. We had that with Diana and it didn't work. It cheapened the monarchy and I say that as someone who followed Diana.

Boring is a heck of lot better than scandals. I think the public would rather have boredom than people living the high life while not doing any work on their tax dollar.
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Old 10-21-2010, 07:03 PM
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Haha. No, he doesn't "have to get married" to up the ante. We saw how well that went for Charles. But maybe William can do a few more public events, be a more engaging public figure. I think he is starting to do that again though, which is good. If Kate and William do marry, hopefully Kate can gain some charisma and likability.

I agree that the engagement wedding rumours are boring. I just thought that it was a good thing to see the public is still interested in William and what he does (no matter how boring), because that's important for a royal career.

I personally liked Diana better than the royals, If anything the person who cheapened the monarchy was Charles. but I don't want William to have a celebrity existence either. I think if William (and maybe Kate in the future) did more press, or traveled to the commonwealth more often, people would embrace them permanently. In a way being royal is like a business. You have to keep in touch! I'm excited to see what happens though.

some days I believe William will be *forced* to marry Kate because he'd look terrible for dumping her. Other days I think, maybe the love is fading? imagine if he met someone amazing and got married a month later (after all those things happen a lot with men). This is all pretty soap operaish though
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Old 10-21-2010, 07:28 PM
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Haha. No, he doesn't "have to get married" to up the ante. We saw how well that went for Charles. But maybe William can do a few more public events, be a more engaging public figure. I think he is starting to do that again though, which is good. If Kate and William do marry, hopefully Kate can gain some charisma and likability.
Right now I think William is exactly where he wants to be in both his public and private life.

He will, of course, continue on to do public engagements for his patronages such as Centrepoint but I think his top priority for the next three years will be his work with SAR.
Hopefully every mission he flies doesn't end up in the news as his first one did, but it takes a dedicated person to commit to this type of endeavor. Its something that is important to him and at this stage of his life, he has chosen a path to serve the people in a way that will also allow him to live a more quiet "ordinary" lifestyle. His time for being full time royal and in the public eye is yet ahead of him and personally I think if he can find himself, what he holds dear and what matters to him now as a relatively private citizen, he will be that much better at relating to the public in his royal duties.

When and if Kate and William marry is still anyone's guess and for sure they're not telling. Perhaps once married and we see Kate in public roles, we'll actually get to know her a bit better. Right now, she stays under the radar.
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Old 10-21-2010, 07:45 PM
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Staying under the radar is the best thing. One of the best public compliments given by the Queen in regards to any of her daughters in law was about Sophie....You wouldn't pick her out in a crowd.
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Old 10-21-2010, 08:57 PM
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Selfish in what way?
Who is it really harming because they aren't marrying?
Kate and William aren't in a coventional relationship, 9 years might be enough time for the ordinary couple but not for ones who will be the future King and Queen.

Well said Zonk.
Kate is wasting her time because she could have been married by now with the start of a family. A man can turn around and marry at any age- look at PA of Monaco and the girl has to wait until the thunderbolt hits him to marry her- If it was I , I would give Wills the ultimatum and then if he said no I would go and make a life elsewhere. Because if Diana had just said no to Charles and remained a single woman even as a babysitter "still"she would have been better off than what happened to her with marriage to the wrong fellow.
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Old 10-22-2010, 12:42 AM
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I agree so much. George V was "boring". Edward VIII was "glamorous" and "charismatic" and "Prince Charming." George VI was "boring." Elizabeth II is "boring" (and I say that as someone who loves the Queen). Give me "boring" over head-turning celebrity anytime.

It seems to me that people who are "boring" are people who can be depended on, are steady, and who don't let you down very often. You know what to expect from them and miss their quiet influence once they're gone.




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Boring is a heck of lot better than scandals. I think the public would rather have boredom than people living the high life while not doing any work on their tax dollar.
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Old 10-22-2010, 01:44 AM
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This is so true. It is rare that a monarch has both charisma and the steadiness to do the job. These days boring and steadfastness are far preferable to a repeat of the 80s and 90s with charisma.
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Old 10-22-2010, 02:35 AM
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This is so true. It is rare that a monarch has both charisma and the steadiness to do the job. These days boring and steadfastness are far preferable to a repeat of the 80s and 90s with charisma.
Perhaps then this is what we have to look forward to when William does take up full time royal duties and further down the line, becomes King William.

So many reports have come back from the public engagements that he has done that he is really an engaging soul to talk to and has the knack of putting people at ease. It is why so many people have said they see his mother in William. So there's the charisma.

On the other hand, with learning from the best... his Granny and his father in regards to royal duties and commitment to the Crown, we will see the steadfastness that his grandmother has shown every day of her reign.
Also.. IF he does marry Kate, we will also see a Royal Prince and Princess (and future King and Queen) that will very much keep their private lives to themselves much as HM and the DoE do.

I hope we never again see the "celebrity" royal that's plastered on every glossy around the world nor the ever popular scandal sensationalism associated with ANY monarchy... leave that to the entertainment industry. We all do however have to admit that out of the fiascos of the 80s and 90, there are bright spots to look forward to decades ahead.
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Old 10-22-2010, 04:49 AM
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Haha. No, he doesn't "have to get married" to up the ante. We saw how well that went for Charles. But maybe William can do a few more public events, be a more engaging public figure. I think he is starting to do that again though, which is good. If Kate and William do marry, hopefully Kate can gain some charisma and likability.
With William focusing on his military career, I think we'll have to wait a while for him to do more public engagements.

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If anything the person who cheapened the monarchy was Charles.
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I think if William (and maybe Kate in the future) did more press, or traveled to the commonwealth more often, people would embrace them permanently. In a way being royal is like a business. You have to keep in touch! I'm excited to see what happens though.
Your right that they need to be "seen", but doing more press is not in the style of the royals.

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some days I believe William will be *forced* to marry Kate because he'd look terrible for dumping her. Other days I think, maybe the love is fading? imagine if he met someone amazing and got married a month later (after all those things happen a lot with men). This is all pretty soap operaish though
I'm rather hoping that he will meet someone else, and marry her within a year or such. Because then we could know that she's the one.

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Kate is wasting her time because she could have been married by now with the start of a family. A man can turn around and marry at any age- look at PA of Monaco and the girl has to wait until the thunderbolt hits him to marry her- If it was I , I would give Wills the ultimatum and then if he said no I would go and make a life elsewhere. Because if Diana had just said no to Charles and remained a single woman even as a babysitter "still"she would have been better off than what happened to her with marriage to the wrong fellow.
You don't know that, Kate is 28 not 40, she has plenty of time to marry if her and William don't work out.
This is quite clearly what Kate wants else she would have left by now?
Many people have said that William and Kate have some kind of arrangment, some kind of secret engagement. Maybe Kate is satsified with that.
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Old 10-22-2010, 09:10 PM
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If anything the person who cheapened the monarchy was Charles. How?
Ah, where to begin? It's such a long list... I'm afraid I might get in trouble by the "wrong thread" police
Well, Prince Charles married a 19 year old girl, and then publicly cheated on her. He had that cringe worthy phone conversation about wanting to be Camilla's tampon... just to name a few. I don't think you can appear dignified after that?

yeah, marriage isn't that big of a deal for non-royal people. If she's dumped it would be embarrassing for a year or two, then Kate can easily find someone else.
a secret engagement? that seems like the most likely option.
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Old 10-22-2010, 10:29 PM
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He didn't 'publicly' cheat on her. They both started to cheat on each other about the same time but she decided to make public that he was cheating without telling the world that she was also cheating at the same time.

The phone call was a private conversation not meant for anyone else's ears. Had he said the same thing to Diana and it had been made public woulf you still feel the same way.

Diana was no saint - she lied to the public, manipulated them by only telling half the story and she publicly tried to destroy her husband and embarassed his family and her sovereign.

Charles made one major mistake in his life - he married the wrong woman. She was young but at 20 an adult who had grown up in the aristocracy so knew the expectations - an heir and a spare and a shut mouth. Had she remained celibate after Charles left her bed I might have some respect for her but as she didn't but made out that she was a 'poor me my husband cheated on me so I will tell the world about him but not tell them that I cheated on him' I have none at all.

Charles and the rest of the royal family have almost recovered from her public attacks on them.
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Old 10-22-2010, 10:52 PM
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This thread is NOT about Charles, Camilla or Diana.

Its about Kate and William.

I would like to remind everyone of the following TRF rule:
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There are a variety of threads that discuss the Diana/Charles/Camilla triangle. There is no need to rehash the drama in the William and Kate threads. Future posts will be deleted.

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