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Old 11-19-2009, 09:04 AM
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Gross, premature, possibly antiquated as it may seem, whilst the topic of future babies has been raised, do you think it is likely that Kate would be subjected to some sort of medical examination before any engagement is announced?
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Old 11-19-2009, 09:12 AM
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Gross, premature, possibly antiquated as it may seem, whilst the topic of future babies has been raised, do you think it is likely that Kate would be subjected to some sort of medical examination before any engagement is announced?
I would think so. Just to make sure she can have children. It does sound disgusting but necessary I would think.
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Old 11-19-2009, 09:19 AM
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I would think so. Just to make sure she can have children. It does sound disgusting but necessary I would think.
Exactly my thoughts.
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Old 11-19-2009, 11:28 AM
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It would be a full examination, not just gyno. Once she's married she will most likely come under the care of the royal doctors and they would want to have a complete physical/medical record in her file.
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Old 11-19-2009, 11:38 AM
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Wow never thought of all that, Kate is in for it.
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Old 11-19-2009, 11:52 AM
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Oh yeah, being royal has some nice advantages (clothes, travel, beautiful jewels as your disposal, money) but it comes with one big disadvantages as far as I can see: your private life is never your own -- you are answerable to the British public, are you doing enough duties and earning your keep, you have a small circle with whom you can trust and anything and everything can be said about you in a public forum (rightly and wrongly) and you can't speak out to defend yourself and maintain the dignity of the monarchy.
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Old 11-20-2009, 03:29 AM
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I would think so. Just to make sure she can have children. It does sound disgusting but necessary I would think.
Grrrrrr. The idea that this might still happen horrifies and sickens me. I remember getting very angry about this issue when Diana was marrying Charles.

1. How could they tell?

2. What will they do if she can't?

3. Will William be tested to see if he can father children, and what would they do if he can't?

Is it really possible that after all these years forming this relationship Kate might be ditched because she can't have babies? Isn't it hard enough to find someone suitable who's prepared to marry into that circus without the poor woman being subjected to that sort of indignity?

I think more highly of HM and her family than to believe they might behave that way. I think any examination would just be part of a full medical examination to compile a medical record for the future, as Warren suggests.
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Old 11-20-2009, 05:37 AM
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Grrrrrr. The idea that this might still happen horrifies and sickens me. I remember getting very angry about this issue when Diana was marrying Charles.

1. How could they tell?
Thats for the royal doctors to work out.

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2. What will they do if she can't?
Given the importance of an heir in their situation, I think there would be some sort of medical examination. If there is a clear and unrectifiable problem, I think there would be real pressure on William to rethink his relationship.

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3. Will William be tested to see if he can father children, and what would they do if he can't?
There is little point in testing William - he is the future King, irrespective of whether he has any children.
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Old 11-20-2009, 04:10 PM
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Her first duty is to provide an heir and if she can't then a whole lot of things have to be done differently e.g. what role Harry will play along with who he marries also having to be subjected to the same process

If they know William can't have children it makes no difference to whom he marries but impacts on Harry, his career and the training he and his children have as they would be the future monarch. If neither William nor Harry could father a child then Beatrice's status changes as well as the line would then pass through her.
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Old 11-20-2009, 04:48 PM
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I find the concept very distasteful, and sad.

I refuse to believe that, in this day and age when the RF are really only there for ceremonial purposes, that they would be so cold hearted as to tell William he can't marry a woman after many years of getting to the stage of contemplating marriage, merely because they don't think she can have children. Assuming she's got all the necessary parts, which she would probably know by now, I understand it can be very difficult to determine in advance, without invasive investigations, whether a woman is likely to have trouble conceiving. Look at how many times people conceive naturally when doctors have told them there's not much chance of it and they've gone through many sessions of IVF unsuccessfully.

And if they can't, that's what Harry's there for, and all those other folk in the line of succession. They should wait and see what happens naturally. Are the poor devils to have all the fun and spontaneity removed from their already so extensively planned lives?

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Old 11-20-2009, 05:04 PM
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My guess... you can check to see that the lady is ovulating and whether she has any conditions that might prevent or hinder pregnancy (endometriosis for example). No clue as to No. 2. No. 3, I bet they won't test him, at least not prior to marriage... it would be embarrassing to find out that the heir can't fulfill his major responsibility, wouldn't it??

I think in the past that the RF wanted to know that the lady was a virgin, although there's ways that that could be gotten around. Back "in the old days" it would have been important to know that your babymaker wasn't pregnant with someone else's offspring.

Sorry to be a cranky cynic!
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Old 11-20-2009, 08:37 PM
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I think it's kind of funny that this thread was first started in Jan 2008..with posters musing and commenting on PW's "imminent" engagement.

Now here we are, almost two years later. And we are still....MUSING on PW's imminent engagement!

Just a thought....
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Old 11-20-2009, 08:42 PM
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Seems William and Kate have minds of their own and will do things when they are ready - within the bounds of royal life of course.
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Old 11-20-2009, 09:27 PM
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I think it's kind of funny that this thread was first started in Jan 2008..with posters musing and commenting on PW's "imminent" engagement.

Now here we are, almost two years later. And we are still....MUSING on PW's imminent engagement!

Just a thought....
Yes but now word is that BP is to prepare a wedding!
I bet they won't announce their engagement until 6 months before the wedding which is often the case with royal weddings.
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Old 11-20-2009, 09:32 PM
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I would guess that she and William will try to have kids quickly because chances really do slim down after 30. Every woman I know lately that is trying to have kids after 30 is having no luck the old fashioned way, they all need medical intervention. I don't know if it is chemicals in our food or what...
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Old 11-20-2009, 09:39 PM
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Actually, most of current European Crown Princesses had their first kids at or after the age of 30, so I don't think Kate has to worry about her 'clock' yet. And don't forget that Kate (or whoever William marries) will have access to best medical services in the world.
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Old 11-20-2009, 10:33 PM
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(unfortually) that is how the monarchy works, the (in this case future) king needs a heir. Quite oldfashion but the monarchy is built like that
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Old 11-21-2009, 12:25 AM
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I would guess that she and William will try to have kids quickly because chances really do slim down after 30. Every woman I know lately that is trying to have kids after 30 is having no luck the old fashioned way, they all need medical intervention. I don't know if it is chemicals in our food or what...
My mom had her first child (me!) when she was 39, and she turned 44 the year she had my brother. My grandma (my dad's mom) was 42 when she had her 12th and last child. I do believe that it is harder for some women to get pregnant when they are in their thirties, but I see a lot of news articles telling women to have children before they are 35 and I think sometimes that pressure is unnecessary. Women who are married and are postponing pregnancy because of their career might need to hear that message, but some people haven't had a child when they are 35 because they haven't found the right person to have a child with.

I guess that's a roundabout way of saying that I don't think William and Kate should rush into marriage just because William needs to have an heir. They should marry when they're sure they want to be married to each other, and they should have children as soon as they're ready, but not until then.

It does seem so strange in this day and age that Kate would have to have a medical examination to see whether she could bear a child. Honestly I don't see the point of it. Women who are told they can never have children sometimes end up having children, and sometimes other women don't get pregnant despite being healthy...so how can even doctors possibly be sure?
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My sister is 35 and is pregnant with her first child. My mother had me at age 43. So, having kids at 35 or over is possible.
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Well like it or not, one of the duties of the wife of the consort is to produce an heir. In addition, to supporting the King of course.

Thank goodness this is not the time of the early York and Tudor monarchs, where a lack of a legitimate heir could lead to a war and conflict. The British succession is well established. If God forbid, something would happen to William and Harry or if they couldn't have children, we have Andrew and his daughters, Edward and his children and Peter and Zara Phillips. And considering William and Harry's desire to particpate in war and the world of terrorism that we live in, this is just one more reason why people shouldn't be so quick to write Beatrice off. But that is the topic of another thread.

But let's not fool ourselves, although the sucession is secured the desired result is

Elizabeth II > Charles > William > his son or daughter > their son or daughter

If Kate or whoever William marries produces a child at 21, 20, 35, or 40 her job is just that....to produce a child.
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