William and Kate: engagement and relationship rumours and musings 2009

[Idriel]

Originally Posted by Jo of Palatine

That's what poor Diana thought - and look where that took her...

I agree. It just isn't worth it, imo.

[auntie]

Originally Posted by Jo of Palatine

That's what poor Diana thought - and look where that took her...

But Diana came from such a background...palaces, tiaras and galas

[iakynthi]

Yes,Marg!!Meeeeee!!
I bet 5,000 euros that Willy will take advantage of the Carnival...it starts soon,in late February...

[Ella Kay]

Originally Posted by gabby_windsor

Sorry Ella Kay, I haven't seen those photos, are they on this forum?

I don't know if they're on the forum or not ... both sets of pictures are from his birthday weekend last June. I'll try to scrounge up a link.

ETA: Here's one, and here's another.

Of course interpretation is subjective but verbal communication and actions not so much. He has publicly stated he doesn't want to marry until 28 or 30 (I would suggest it would be more 30), he's signed up for a long term job that doesn't leave time for long service leave when he's just started regardless if he's royalty or not. I think that speaks volumes about what rung he's on, on the marriage ladder.

I think people put way too much stock in that "28 or 30" quote. For one, William said it to reporters, and I doubt that he feels comfortable making sure statements about his personal life to the media. He may have just been throwing something out there to try to get them off his back. Also, people say lots of things about their ideas about relationships and then later change their minds. Just because he's said that he wants to wait that long doesn't mean he will. But, really, he'll be 27 this year, and a wedding in 2010 would put him at ... 28. I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility.

Also, I think it's been discussed here in detail that the SAR job likely won't be one that would preclude having a relationship or a marriage. He'll be stationed in Britain, so leave periods won't be so crucial.

Anyway maybe Kate doesn't have any ambitions apart from marrying and having children and this is why she hasn't accomplished much in the past few years. There's nothing wrong with that but to be in a position (even decorative such as royalty) I believe one needs experiences be they good or bad to know oneself and how to deal with people. She seems like a girl-woman who's been sheltered for no real reason.

I don't know how we can assume that she hasn't had those kinds of opportunities. I also think it would be presumptuous to say that she hasn't accomplished much since college -- we just don't know the particulars.

[Jo of Palatine]

Originally Posted by auntie

But Diana came from such a background...palaces, tiaras and galas

Yes, but Diana wasn't a "Lady" all her life - there were reports about just how delighted she was to finally become "Lady" instead of plain Hon. Miss Diana Spencer. Even though it meant that her grandfather had just died. But even then Diana knew that only a successful marriage would give her a palace and tiaras of her own, as all this was entailed and reserved for her father's and after him for her brother's wife. You have no idea how many "Lady First name This" and "Lady First name That" are around who haven't seen any palace or tiara for years except for the rare occasion of a family party because they decided to follow a chosen career part and not marry into the aristocracy themselves or marry outside their family's level. So I believe yes, Diana loved the trappings of her status and that's why she chose to marry The Prince of Wales, not realising that it would mean to marry Charles, the man and his whole family, who prefer a much more austere/simple lifestyle than most people imagine.

[kimebear]

The Spencers were quite a bit closer to the RF than many of the other Lady This and That families though and always quite blue blooded in their own right. Other than the unhappy event of her father predeceasing her grandfather, Diana was always going to become a Lady at some point, so let's not paint her as someone who was excited to see her grandfather die.

[Menarue]

Her biography, at least the one I read said that she jumped all round her school, she was still at school saying "Now I am a Lady". Children and young girls can have these attitudes and we don´t have to condemn them for this, she was excited that at last she would be Lady Diana and showed she was. She probably wasn´t that close to her grandfather either but I don´t think this showed she was happy he was dead - what it showed she was happy about was being a Lady.... In these circles it was a definite promotion.

[Mermaid1962]

Yes, and young girls are happy with anything that makes them seen more "grown up"; and I think that having the title of "Lady" would have that effect.

I have the impression that--although she thought highly of her Grandmother Spencer--she wasn't attached to her grandfather. Perhaps she picked up on the relationship between him and her father.

Originally Posted by Menarue

Children and young girls can have these attitudes and we don´t have to condemn them for this, she was excited that at last she would be Lady Diana and showed she was. She probably wasn´t that close to her grandfather either but I don´t think this showed she was happy he was dead - what it showed she was happy about was being a Lady.... In these circles it was a definite promotion.

[Lady Ann]

Ok, Have William and Kate returned from there trip yet ... the news in the US is so slow on these topics!! We don't know anything untill two days after ...my work blocks all the good web sites ..

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by Jo of Palatine

But even then Diana knew that only a successful marriage would give her a palace and tiaras of her own, as all this was entailed and reserved for her father's and after him for her brother's wife. You have no idea how many "Lady First name This" and "Lady First name That" are around who haven't seen any palace or tiara for years except for the rare occasion of a family party because they decided to follow a chosen career part and not marry into the aristocracy themselves or marry outside their family's level. So I believe yes, Diana loved the trappings of her status and that's why she chose to marry The Prince of Wales, not realising that it would mean to marry Charles, the man and his whole family, who prefer a much more austere/simple lifestyle than most people imagine.

I agree, added to which it was apparently always her fathers dearest wish to marry into the Royal Family, it really didn't matter which daughter it was.

The Spencer girls were just some of the many that a few of the nobility hoped could be used to advance their families, many others knew the life their daughters would be expected to live and did not wish to sacrifice them.
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People seem to be presuming that the credit crunch is affecting everyone in the UK, when of course it is not. The working and lower middle classes are the ones suffering the effects, which of course excludes the Middletons. The type of people who use Party Pieces are unlikely to stop having parties.

[Incas]

Originally Posted by Lady Ann

Ok, Have William and Kate returned from there trip yet ... the news in the US is so slow on these topics!! We don't know anything untill two days after ...my work blocks all the good web sites ..

Yes. I posted a link to Sun in William and Kate current events.

[Kezza]

Originally Posted by MARG

Christmas came . . . . no Engagement.

New Year came . . . . no Engagement.

Are we surprised about "no engagement" . . . . No!


Anywone for bets over which brother is first up the aisle?

Too Right Marg!

[White Princess]

It seems Britain won't have a Queen Catherine for the fifth time (am I right?)!

[Iluvbertie]

Originally Posted by White Princess

It seems Britain won't have a Queen Catherine for the fifth time (am I right?)!

We don't know.

All we know is that their has been no annoucement of an engagement.

From that we assume that William hasn't asked her but... we simply don't know.

[White Princess]

Hahaha, I know, what I ask is if she'd be the fifth queen consort called Katherine. Henry VII had three himself, and had Catherine of Valois, so I think she would be the fifth with this name.

[Ella Kay]

Originally Posted by White Princess

It seems Britain won't have a Queen Catherine for the fifth time (am I right?)!

You're neither right nor wrong. Despite what anyone has hoped, negative or positive, they seem to be neither engaged nor broken up.

[Ella Kay]

Originally Posted by White Princess

Hahaha, I know, what I ask is if she'd be the fifth queen consort called Katherine. Henry VII had three himself, and had Catherine of Valois, so I think she would be the fifth with this name.

Nope. You're missing Catherine of Braganza, queen consort of Charles II. Catherine of Valois was consort to Henry V, and Henry VIII was the one with three Catherines: Aragon, Howard, and Parr. That would make Kate the sixth, should she and William marry and should William become king.

[White Princess]

Originally Posted by Ella Kay

Nope. You're missing Catherine of Braganza, queen consort of Charles II.

So will she be the sixth?
Well, I think it really doesn't matter. I hope they get engagement soon, Queen Elizabeth II is getting older and older and William has to have issue to the throne.

[ghost_night554]

I don't think we've ever seen them fly in together! I was shocked and happy when I saw them together at the airport.

[Ella Kay]

Originally Posted by White Princess

So will she be the sixth?

If they marry, and if William becomes king, I believe this is true.

I don't think we've ever seen them fly in together!

I can't ever remember seeing pictures of them at an airport together before either. It may be a first! It was good to see them together and looking contented.