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Old 10-09-2009, 07:23 PM
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I think BRAINS is high on the list of a consort's qualities. Seems Kate has those. . .
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Old 10-09-2009, 09:27 PM
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Wow, didn't mean to cause such a stir. People obviously have their opinions. I suppose I am just jealous because here I am at 26 JUST finding out my royal heritage and I feel cheated. So there you have it.. the truth comes out.
I am just fascinated with Bessie. She was very glamorous and beautiful. And for being snobbish, I think I've earned the right to sound somewhat.. after all the genealogy work and connections to the REAL royal family. This current royal family married into German/Greek royalty - they even changed their name in the early 1900s..I mean really... Don't get me wrong I love the Royal Family of Britain, but there are certain things that just don't make sense to me. That is why I am studying British History. And as for her being Princess.. I was just saying.. if Charles becomes King, which I thought he didn't want to be.. William will be Prince of Wales, then if Charles abdicates you have the possibility of William becoming King. You never know what's going to happen.
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Old 10-09-2009, 09:42 PM
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Charles will never abdicate: the job is for life.
He's already spent a lifetime as a Prince of Wales, he is as ready to be a King as anyone ever could be - why should he even think of abdicating?
William is Heir Apparent to his father, he will become King in due course.

I am not sure what you mean by ‘real Royal Family’: I doubt they could be any more real.
There are quite a lot of people who are connected to Royalty / Nobility. I honestly doubt that of all things in the world, many will question Kate’s (or anyone’s) suitability merely because of her Royal and noble connections, or lack of them. Personal achievements, character, nature are rather more important than accidents of birth or drops of ‘blue’ blood, at least for a Consort.
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Old 10-09-2009, 09:48 PM
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Lets get back on topic.

This thread isn't about the Duke and Duchess of Windsor. Its William and Kate.

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Old 10-10-2009, 06:18 AM
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I think I've earned the right to sound somewhat.. after all the genealogy work and connections to the REAL royal family.
The Real Royal Family? How more real can you get?


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This current royal family married into German/Greek royalty - they even changed their name in the early 1900s...
They changed their name for clear reasons to be quite honest.

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if Charles becomes King, which I thought he didn't want to be.. William will be Prince of Wales, then if Charles abdicates you have the possibility of William becoming King. You never know what's going to happen.
William may not become Prince of Wales, I doubt very much that Charles will abdicate unless something massive happens.
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Old 10-10-2009, 06:42 AM
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That is why I am studying British History. And as for her being Princess.. I was just saying.. if Charles becomes King, which I thought he didn't want to be.. William will be Prince of Wales, then if Charles abdicates you have the possibility of William becoming King. You never know what's going to happen.
William can only be the Prince of Wales if his father becomes King AND if Charles appoints him as such. What would make you think Charles does not wish to be King, something he has trained for his entire life?

If you are related to Wallis, you have no royal heritage.

If William and Kate love one another, that is THE most important factor!
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Old 10-10-2009, 07:20 AM
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How royal do you think they should be?

The Queen is a descendent of the following Kings of England/Britain (and many more Scottish kings/queens as well).

George VI, George V, Edward VII, Victoria, George III, George II, George I, James I and VI, Henry VII, Edward III, Edward II, Edward I, Henry III, John, Henry II, Henry I, William I and some even before that. (I am sure that if I have one or two wrong there in the middle with the Edward's and Henry's someone will tell me - that period of English history bores the pants off me)

William through his mother will add Charles I and Charles II as Diana was descended from a couple of Charles' II illegitimate children.

Philip is descended from all of the above, except Edward VII, George V and George VI but can add descent from George I of the Hellenes, Christian IX of Denmark (as can Elizabeth) making them both descendents from the Danish king who established the Danish throne in the 800s along with the Romanovs through his grandmother. Philip has more 'royal' blood in him than Elizabeth but they are certainly both extremely royal. I don't think you can get much more royal than these two (others are equally royal but there are no doubts that Elizabeth and Philip are thoroughly royal through and through.

Every British royal house since the conquest is in the family tree of both Elizabeth and Philip - Norman, Plantagenet, Tudor, Stuart, Hanover (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha - Windsor) along with Romanov, Glucksburg (the same family as Marguerite of Denmark).
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Old 10-10-2009, 07:34 PM
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Continuation..

Yes I am aware of this. I forgot about that little detail after I wrote my last post. Elizabeth is a direct descendant of Alfred the Great and so on. The Tudor legacy carried on through the maternal line of Mary and Margaret giving her a direct relation to Henry VIII/Henry VII and so on. I love Elizabeth, Charles as well. I would gladly see Charles as King. He has spent his whole life preparing for his role. As for William, he's still young, I just worry. Diana had royal blood. She was related to the Seymour family as well as illegitimate children of Charles II. As for 'drops' of 'blue blood' and accidents.. I am no accident, Thank you - I am a direct descendant of the first Kings and Queens of England, Scotland, Aragon, Castile and Leon, Hungary, France and more. So far I have found my connections to the Norman, Plantagenet, Tudor, and Stuart houses - and two to the current Windsor family. I am still working on my tree. There are just so many break offs.. the children marry into other countries.. I could spend a whole lifetime figuring out the rest.
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Old 10-10-2009, 07:39 PM
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William can only be the Prince of Wales if his father becomes King AND if Charles appoints him as such. What would make you think Charles does not wish to be King, something he has trained for his entire life?

If you are related to Wallis, you have no royal heritage.

If William and Kate love one another, that is THE most important factor!
We over here in America for some reason got the impression that he didn't want to be King for some reason. It must have been the hooplah after Diana's death.

I am related to her Bessie --- I am also related to Diana..but also see above.. my last post..
I have plenty of royal blood and have plenty of people who can adhere to that claim, thank you.
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Old 10-10-2009, 07:47 PM
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As for William, he's still young, I just worry. Diana had royal blood. She was related to the Seymour family as well as illegitimate children of Charles II. As for 'drops' of 'blue blood' and accidents.. I am no accident, Thank you - I am a direct descendant of the first Kings and Queens of England, Scotland, Aragon, Castile and Leon, Hungary, France and more. So far I have found my connections to the Norman, Plantagenet, Tudor, and Stuart houses - and two to the current Windsor family. I am still working on my tree. There are just so many break offs.. the children marry into other countries.. I could spend a whole lifetime figuring out the rest.

I found this part of your post strange.

You were replying to my post - based on the quote and yet in the same paragraph seem suggest that I am making claims about your ancestry.

I never made such a claim and wouldn't waste my time as I ignore most such claims on these boards due to the fact that anyone could post on here, or elsewhere, making a range of claims which can't be proven on an anonymous board. I am not suggesting that you aren't telling the truth just that you can't prove it here.
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Old 10-10-2009, 08:00 PM
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How royal do you think they should be?

The Queen is a descendent of the following Kings of England/Britain (and many more Scottish kings/queens as well).

George VI, George V, Edward VII, Victoria, George III, George II, George I, James I and VI, Henry VII, Edward III, Edward II, Edward I, Henry III, John, Henry II, Henry I, William I and some even before that. (I am sure that if I have one or two wrong there in the middle with the Edward's and Henry's someone will tell me - that period of English history bores the pants off me)

William through his mother will add Charles I and Charles II as Diana was descended from a couple of Charles' II illegitimate children.

Philip is descended from all of the above, except Edward VII, George V and George VI but can add descent from George I of the Hellenes, Christian IX of Denmark (as can Elizabeth) making them both descendents from the Danish king who established the Danish throne in the 800s along with the Romanovs through his grandmother. Philip has more 'royal' blood in him than Elizabeth but they are certainly both extremely royal. I don't think you can get much more royal than these two (others are equally royal but there are no doubts that Elizabeth and Philip are thoroughly royal through and through.

Every British royal house since the conquest is in the family tree of both Elizabeth and Philip - Norman, Plantagenet, Tudor, Stuart, Hanover (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha - Windsor) along with Romanov, Glucksburg (the same family as Marguerite of Denmark).
Excellent post, Iluvbertie!

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I never made such a claim and wouldn't waste my time as I ignore most such claims on these boards due to the fact that anyone could post on here, or elsewhere, making a range of claims which can't be proven on an anonymous board. I am not suggesting that you aren't telling the truth just that you can't prove it here.
I completely agree with you.
Even if such claims do have basis, I don’t see any point in posting about them here, of all places, not least because they cannot be verified in any way.
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Old 10-10-2009, 10:01 PM
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Excellent post, Iluvbertie!



I completely agree with you.
Even if such claims do have basis, I donít see any point in posting about them here, of all places, not least because they cannot be verified in any way.
Very well.. but I do not appreciate the hostility to my posts. And how can these claims.. how can they not be verified? I have no problem sharing my info on here about family history.. and am always willing to help someone who claims they are related to royalty. That's a reason why I joined this forum.. because I thought we could discuss things like this on here, but I see that we cannot. You guys really have offended me. Well guess it's back to Myancestry. Thanks guys.
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Old 10-10-2009, 10:14 PM
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Well you CAN discuss your ancestry on the board but not on this particular thread bc it's about William and Kate's possible engagement.

This is an annonymous board Lady Meg and people can always claim royal ancestry even if they don't have it. So it will be a little difficult for us to believe. If you want to prove it to us, you are more than welcome to do so.
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Old 10-10-2009, 10:20 PM
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I read something in the forum rules about claiming royal relations and it not having a place in this forum. Perhaps everyone should read our rules, they are very interesting and clear as to what is allowed, etc.

Charles will be king when it is his turn, as will William. I look forward to those days, when Her Majesty QE II sees fit.
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Old 10-10-2009, 10:25 PM
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Very well.. but I do not appreciate the hostility to my posts. And how can these claims.. how can they not be verified? I have no problem sharing my info on here about family history.. and am always willing to help someone who claims they are related to royalty. That's a reason why I joined this forum.. because I thought we could discuss things like this on here, but I see that we cannot. You guys really have offended me. Well guess it's back to Myancestry. Thanks guys.

The problem with verifying your alleged ancestry is that no one here actually knows who you are.

I could come on here and claim to be a descendent of Edward VII for instance but there is no way that I can prove it.

That doesn't mean that it isn't true (or that your claim to be related to royalty isn't true) but you simply can't prove it on here.

It is an anonymous board. For all I know someone could be posting here and be my next door neighbour and I simply don't know that as we don't reveal our true identities on here.

We have had the man who claims to be Princess Margaret's son on here - now he could be the same guy who is making those claims or he could be someone who simply wanted to make that claim (not only the claim to be Princess Margaret's son but that the poster was the same person as the one who was, and still is, making that claim).

We have also had a poster claim to be Edward VIII's illegitimate child. Again it can't be proven on here.
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We are all entitled to an opinion regarding William and Kate's relationship but our opinions won't make any difference on the matter of much expected, awaited, belated official engagement announcement, because, in the end it would be up to William and Kate. The entire world may wish for their engagement/marriage but if either one says "NO"...then it's over....period.

One thing is for sure, engagement or not, William and Kate is genuinely enjoying each other's company after years of dating...not many would have expected these two to last this long, including me. William is a high profiled eligible bachelor...meaning...there are tons of young women coveting Kate's current status as Prince William's girlfriend, not to mention the position likely to be the future Princess and Queen Consort.
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Old 10-11-2009, 07:08 AM
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Diana had royal blood. She was related to the Seymour family as well as illegitimate children of Charles II. As for 'drops' of 'blue blood' and accidents.. I am no accident, Thank you - I am a direct descendant of the first Kings and Queens of England, Scotland, Aragon, Castile and Leon, Hungary, France and more. So far I have found my connections to the Norman, Plantagenet, Tudor, and Stuart houses - and two to the current Windsor family.
Lucky for you, unfortunately that is a claim many could make. The Windsor blood lines are well documented, so a sudden new relative is unlikely, many can claim to be related via people that married into the family, like Simpson, that does not make them descendants. Even Camilla can claim to have the same royal blood, if not closer than Diana!

Anyone can come on here and make claims about being related, just take a name and claim away, you could afterall be talking to Lady B the Countess of Wessex or Cynthia Spencer.
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Old 10-11-2009, 07:10 AM
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One thing is for sure, engagement or not, William and Kate is genuinely enjoying each other's company after years of dating...not many would have expected these two to last this long, including me. William is a high profiled eligible bachelor...meaning...there are tons of young women coveting Kate's current status as Prince William's girlfriend, not to mention the position likely to be the future Princess and Queen Consort.
Very true!
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. . . . . . . And as for her (Kate) being Princess..
What makes Kate an unsuitable bride, possible Princess of Wales and (accidents notwithstanding) future Queen Consort? She seems a perfectly nice young woman whose education exceeds that of any of her possible predecessors and, whose adept use of native skill and cunning has kept her from making any crass blunders to feed the press. That same skill will also enable her to evolve into a worthy Crown Princess a la Mary, Maxima, Letizia, etc.
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I was just saying.. if Charles becomes King, which I thought he didn't want to be.. William will be Prince of Wales, then if Charles abdicates you have the possibility of William becoming King. You never know what's going to happen.
Fact = barring death, Charles will be King. He's worked for it, he's earned it and there's a snowball's show in hell that he will abdicate.

Fact = William will only become Prince of Wales if his father, the King, decrees it.

Fact = Barring death William will become King some time in the future.

Supposition = Kate will be his Queen.
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How royal do you think they should be?

The Queen is a descendent of the following Kings of England/Britain (and many more Scottish kings/queens as well).

George VI, George V, Edward VII, Victoria, George III, George II, George I, James I and VI, Henry VII, Edward III, Edward II, Edward I, Henry III, John, Henry II, Henry I, William I and some even before that. (I am sure that if I have one or two wrong there in the middle with the Edward's and Henry's someone will tell me - that period of English history bores the pants off me)

William through his mother will add Charles I and Charles II as Diana was descended from a couple of Charles' II illegitimate children.

Philip is descended from all of the above, except Edward VII, George V and George VI but can add descent from George I of the Hellenes, Christian IX of Denmark (as can Elizabeth) making them both descendents from the Danish king who established the Danish throne in the 800s along with the Romanovs through his grandmother. Philip has more 'royal' blood in him than Elizabeth but they are certainly both extremely royal. I don't think you can get much more royal than these two (others are equally royal but there are no doubts that Elizabeth and Philip are thoroughly royal through and through.

Every British royal house since the conquest is in the family tree of both Elizabeth and Philip - Norman, Plantagenet, Tudor, Stuart, Hanover (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha - Windsor) along with Romanov, Glucksburg (the same family as Marguerite of Denmark).
A truely wonderful post. Your knowledge of our monarchy still astounds me.

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Very well.. but I do not appreciate the hostility to my posts. And how can these claims.. how can they not be verified? I have no problem sharing my info on here about family history.. and am always willing to help someone who claims they are related to royalty. That's a reason why I joined this forum.. because I thought we could discuss things like this on here, but I see that we cannot. You guys really have offended me. Well guess it's back to Myancestry. Thanks guys.
I don't believe they are hostility, this is a forum where people express their opinions and we are just doing that. This forum is to discuss the present royal families of the world not your own family history.

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What makes Kate an unsuitable bride, possible Princess of Wales and (accidents notwithstanding) future Queen Consort? She seems a perfectly nice young woman whose education exceeds that of any of her possible predecessors and, whose adept use of native skill and cunning has kept her from making any crass blunders to feed the press. That same skill will also enable her to evolve into a worthy Crown Princess a la Mary, Maxima, Letizia, etc.
Fact = barring death, Charles will be King. He's worked for it, he's earned it and there's a snowball's show in hell that he will abdicate.

Fact = William will only become Prince of Wales if his father, the King, decrees it.

Fact = Barring death William will become King some time in the future.

Supposition = Kate will be his Queen.
Quite true, barring death or abdication for William.
I do agree that Kate could be a wonderful princess, never as great as Mary or Letizia but good enough.

As many have said William and Kate love each other, they fit together, that is what happens. Because as we know our opinions don't really matter.
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