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Old 02-14-2009, 02:13 PM
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Let me come to the point.Question: Do you think Kate-if she finally becomes a princess/Queen-will ever be loved by the people as much as Diana?
I think the real challenge for William's wife, be it Kate or not, will be to try to create her own identity in the face of the Diana comparisons that the media will inevitably keep hanging over her head. I hope that William's wife has the chance to become her own woman in the role she takes on rather than constantly being judged against the media's concept of the late Princess of Wales.

Surely as long as she takes on a large slate of charity work, dresses prettily, pops out a few charming children, supports her husband, and avoids indiscreet contact with the press, she'll be fine.
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Old 02-14-2009, 02:35 PM
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This making a comparison between the future wife of Prince William and his mother is a bit of a non-starter, if any comparison is to be made it is with the second wife Camilla.
So far Camilla has done very well and the Diana myth seems to be fading except in the minds of a few romantics, who seem to think she was exceptional, I must say that when I heard that Prince Charles was going to marry Camilla I thought she would have a hard time of it, but she hasn´t, she has acted discreetly and with dignity and I have no doubt that if Prince Charles is going to be King Charles III she will make a very good Queen.
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Old 02-14-2009, 02:44 PM
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This thread is neither about Diana, nor about Camilla. It is about the engagement and relationship musings between William and Kate.
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Old 02-14-2009, 03:19 PM
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What can change it is the will of the political elite and there I don't see any change of heart because a monarchy has certain advantages a presidential democracy hasn't. Soap Operas included. But getting rewards in form of membership in historical orders or being elevated to the nobility helps as well.
I agree with you here.
If a change comes it won't be initiated by the establishment, it will come from the bottom up.
But let's not forget Britain is a democracy so if enough people want a change the establishment will have to comply.
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So really, I don't see any change on the horizon - this is just wishful thinking of those who would want the Royals to be "Royals" after their own hearts.
I don't see any change in the near future too. I think there will be a king Charles and likely a King William. After that, we'll see...
It is not my wishful thinking to see the British monarchy disappear. It's pretty clear from my posts I would like better to see it survive the 21st century, hopefully not in a bastardised version.
We already have Monaco for the operetta princes.
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Old 02-14-2009, 03:29 PM
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I don't see an illegitimate children inheriting the throne soon. But I don't think that's what you meant.




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I would like better to see it survive the 21st century, hopefully not in a bastardised version.
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Old 02-15-2009, 10:09 AM
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I wrote in november last year that I'll wash my hands off William and Catherine if they don't get engaged till Valentine's day. Well, they didn't (okay, they probably thought Frederick Windsor had the better claim to the date....) and now I'm sorry for Catherine, sorry for William and really think Catherine should go on with her life instead of playing the "inofficial bride". I like the girl and I pity the way she lives her life right now, buried in Bucklebury when she had gone to university in the hope that one day the world would be open to her. She obviously loves seeing something of the world, hence her stay in Florence in her gap year and now all she gets to see is back roads in country backwaters. Really, if William loved her he would seek a way with her to live life as it is fitting for a young millionaires daughter with a university degree instead of profit from her love while she lives like a nun.
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Old 02-15-2009, 10:23 AM
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Well said Jo. She deserves better than that. Contrary to what people may think, I have absolutely nothing against the girl, I just don´t think she and William are suited, there seems to be something definitely missing there. I hope that she finds someone who will fall madly in love with her, someone with a similar background of money and education and they can live happily ever after.
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Old 02-15-2009, 10:32 AM
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I like the girl and I pity the way she lives her life right now, buried in Bucklebury when she had gone to university in the hope that one day the world would be open to her..
Err, I know many a young thing that went to university, stayed in various foreign countries for a short time, had a flat in London but prefer to live a country life, with the occasional foray in for the nightclubs!
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Old 02-15-2009, 10:41 AM
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When I said she deserves better I meant lovewise, I think for me the perfect life is having a flat in London and a country house.....wonderful, but then I love horses, I don´t know if I would like it so much if I were allergic to them. (lol).
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Old 02-15-2009, 11:06 AM
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I wrote in november last year that I'll wash my hands off William and Catherine if they don't get engaged till Valentine's day. Well, they didn't (okay, they probably thought Frederick Windsor had the better claim to the date....) and now I'm sorry for Catherine, sorry for William and really think Catherine should go on with her life instead of playing the "inofficial bride". I like the girl and I pity the way she lives her life right now, buried in Bucklebury when she had gone to university in the hope that one day the world would be open to her. She obviously loves seeing something of the world, hence her stay in Florence in her gap year and now all she gets to see is back roads in country backwaters. Really, if William loved her he would seek a way with her to live life as it is fitting for a young millionaires daughter with a university degree instead of profit from her love while she lives like a nun.
I like Kate too but I don’t have any pity for her for how she is living her life. I guess I don't really think that there is anything to pity. She has a choice how to live her life, even more so than most people her age, so I can only presume that she is happy with the choices she has made or she would be doing something different. It may not be what some of us would have chosen but at the end of the day we can only really do what makes us happy

On another note, while I give my congratulations to Freddie (never knew he had a girlfriend), I‘m not a big fan of the whole Valentine‘s day nonsense, I always found engagements on that day a tad corny (no insult meant to anyone who ever got engaged around the day), so I hope if they do get engaged that they don’t ever do it on the 14th February.
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Old 02-15-2009, 12:32 PM
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Really, if William loved her he would seek a way with her to live life as it is fitting for a young millionaires daughter with a university degree instead of profit from her love while she lives like a nun.
that sounds like the key point to me: if william loved her ... he could make so many small but important things possible outside an official engagement that would put kate in a better, much more respected position but he doesn't. we don't know why there is an obvious lack of commitment towards her but can only guess that he doesn't even think of getting married at this stage. their relationship more and more sounds like: if kate wants to stay, fine, if she doesn't, that's fine too. it's not a nice position to be in but i refrain from feeling sorry for kate because it's her who has chosen to go down that path, not william or anybody else.
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I agree with you on almost all points, DoM ... but the lack of commitment part is the issue that I think we (the public) just don't know enough about to pass judgment on. For all we know, the two of them could have some sort of private understanding at this point. I just don't know that we can assume there's no commitment just because there's been no announcement. He might be stringing her along as some suggest he is, but it's surely equally possible that they are committed and we aren't privy to it.
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we aren't privy to it.
Let all write in and demand to be informed!
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Old 02-15-2009, 06:09 PM
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Surely that's what the tabloids have been doing for years now, don't you think?
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Let all write in and demand to be informed!
Good idea! But what I wanted to point out is simply that for this simple person here it's been too long. It probably is okay for Catherine and William but I've grown tired of them and their private relationship.
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Old 02-16-2009, 07:39 AM
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It probably is okay for Catherine and William but I've grown tired of them and their private relationship.
Very well put, JoP!

The voyeuristic streak in the general royal watching public seems to overtake the basic thought that when (and if) William and Kate are ready to get engaged, they will. If they were based in London and often seen in the press, a lot of the responses we are seeing on the forums would be different.

Lets not forget that it is not very common these days for young British couples to marry at 26-27 years of age, and I am guessing that the more common age for couples to marry now is closer to 30.
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Old 02-16-2009, 11:04 AM
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If he marries Kate and if that trend of marrying dull commoners perdues, the British people will start asking why they are funding or are being represented by a bunch of ordinary people playing dress-up.

As for the people who are arguing that a Royal marriage is a private matter (?!!?) and that the people should just mind their own business, I will just say that this kind of attitude contribute towards the demise of that institution.
There seem to be some pretty strong thoughts here. Everybody is entitled to their own views, but there are a few points I would like to make:

1) Replacing the monarch as head of state with an elected president (the usual alternative!) is not perceived by most British people as a better alternative, else we would have had a republic by now.

2) The last aristocrat to marry into the royal family was Diana.... and we all know where that ended up! I do believe in the importance of bloodlines if I was buying a prized pig, but when it comes to human relationships, IMO it is people that matter, not their ancestry. If Kate and Will are happy, and she has the "right" qualities, I am sure she will make a good consort.

3) As to comments about William and Kate being dull, I have to say that QE2 has probably been one of the dullest people on the public stage, yet she has done her job well (which is all that matters to most of us!) So when it comes to choosing a consort for the future monarch, I would be inclined to go for dull and boring rather than exciting!

4) I do accept that the monarchy has to regularly reinvent itself to be relevant to the current times, and I am sure Charles will help with that. I do believe it is only natural when you have a monarch who is well into her 80s and has been in the job for nearly 60 years, there may be some "updating" required, when the next claimant to the job is called to duty!
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If he marries Kate and if that trend of marrying dull commoners perdues, the British people will start asking why they are funding or are being represented by a bunch of ordinary people playing dress-up.
and you can't even get rid of them!

you hit the nail on the head, idriel. and not only the british people will start asking soon but also the spanish, norwegian, danish etc. the question is not if but when the first monarchy will go, exactly for that reason.

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Replacing the moanrch as head of state with an elected president (the usual alternative!) is not perceived by most British people as a better alternative, else we would have had a republic by now.
no because we are not there yet. there is an icon on the throne, full royal with 50 years+ service on her back. nobody will question elizabeth II as long as she is around, more people will question charles but there is more substance to him than to any other cp, and many many more people will question william in case he doesn't step up a gear and gets married to kate (i will refrain from repeating the image / controversy that surrounds her).

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As to comments about William and Kate being dull, I have to say that QE2 has probably been one of the most dull people on the public stage,uet she has done her job well, which is all that matters to most of us. So when it comes to choosing a consort for the future monarch, I would be inclined to go for dull and boring rather than exciting.
i see elizabeth II rather as dutiful, not dull. william is dull, not dutiful. and as for the consort, prince philip, the same goes for him as for his wife: dutiful yes, dull no. it's all about substance / personality and i don't see any of it in neither william nor kate. well that's kind of a match but not for an instituiton to be put to the test in years to come.
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I agree with your assessment of Queen Elizabeth II, Duke, dutiful but not dull and William the exact opposite.
It would be terrible if Britain yawns itself into a Republic....
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....more people will question charles but there is more substance to him than to any other cp, and many many more people will question william in case he doesn't step up a gear and gets married to kate (i will refrain from repeating the image / controversy that surrounds her).


i see elizabeth II rather as dutiful, not dull. william is dull, not dutiful.
There is no doubt that it is very important for William to shape up a public role for himself in the time between entering royal duties full time and becoming King, just like his father continues to do.

Charles has had to work hard to win the respect of the people, but I do believe that they do now appreciate that a lot of the unfashionable causes that Charles supported through the 1980s and 1990s are "mainstrean" issues now, eg concern for the environment, preserving city centres etc. But lets not forget that (Diana notwithstanding), it took Charles a long time to get to this point. Similarly, I think it is unfair to expect William to have developed and pursued his interests to a similar level at this stage of his life... he will get there. Key to his enduring popularity will be his being able to communciate clearly to the British people how he is using his position and time responsibly.
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