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Old 01-02-2007, 03:50 AM
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I strongly suspect the reporter was being flip. But I'm probably wrong, and your point is well taken.
It wasn't a reporter, it was THE editor of one of the major British newspapers. Considering the circumstances, telling the Queen that members of her family should "send a footman" if they wanted sweets from the local shop is pompous indeed.
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Old 01-02-2007, 05:17 AM
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I've been thinking about this "send a footman" comment - thinking rather than commenting so far because my initial reaction was something similar to the newspaper editor's, and because of the reaction here I decided I should probably think about it for a while before commenting.

But I have thought about it for a while now and on this point I'm still on side with the editor. Diana started toying with the photographers from that day on the riverbank when she directed attention to herself by hiding behind the tree and watching them with a mirror; I've never understood why she did that. She continued to attract their interest throughout the courtship. Then on the eve of her engagement announcement she was whisked away from reality into the safety of CH, and then there was all that hype and build up and then The Wedding that was watched by millions of people all over the world, myself included.

Diana became a fairytale princess and fairytale princesses are larger than life. I don't think you can reasonably expect people to swallow all the hype and watch your televised wedding and call you "your Royal Highness" and flock out to see you on parade and bow or curtsy to you, and still expect to be able to nip down to the corner shop for a bag of sweets without attracting the attention of the same cameramen whose attention had been intentionally diverted towards you by the RF's publicity people on such a grand scale.

I am not surprised the naive fairytale princess might still have expected to have things all her own way, but I'd be a bit surprised if her Majesty genuinely thought it was reasonable for Diana to want to keep doing such things. Although, of course, her Majesty has always lived in a world detached from that which is reality for most of her subjects.

You can't have it both ways. If you want to live in the rarified world of Royalty, or show business celebrity, you must expect people to be interested in what you do. After all, you have a symbiotic relationship with the media; you need media attention and invite it in respect of some of your activities. You have to compromise and sacrifice some personal freedom and try to come to a satisfactory, workable relationship with the media. Some people - probably most - manage that, but a few individuals don't.

If you are particularly interesting for some reason - like Diana and Nicole Kidman (I don't think Kate will ever be in this category) - the photographers are going to chase you taking photos, and as long as they and the magazines they work for keep getting away with it and don't have restraining orders made against them or get sued for trespass or assault, they'll keep doing it.

They don't behave like gentlemen. They chase you and run in front of you with their cameras aimed at you, and camp outside your door and chase your car on motor bikes and pester you with questions when you are on your way to your car.

Since they won't play fair unless made to, I think they need to be made to. Hence my comment about rules about distance like whales and dolphins.
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Old 01-02-2007, 08:47 AM
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It wasn't a reporter, it was THE editor of one of the major British newspapers. Considering the circumstances, telling the Queen that members of her family should "send a footman" if they wanted sweets from the local shop is pompous indeed.
Warren, I just gotta disagree on this one. The Queen because of her role deserves respect yes, just as my president as head of our state deserves my respect if I met him personally but the entire idea of bowing to another human being because of their birth is pompous. Now mind you, if I ever met the Queen or any of the heirs to the throne, I would curtsy even though as a non-subject I am not required to, but it is a bit high-handed to accuse someone of being pompous because they make what I see as a cutting/sarcastic remark.

I view her reaction as pompous to even take seriously the EDITOR's ridiculous suggestion. I guess I'm used to politicians who make careers of deftly handling rude or hostile questions and/or suggestions. Finesse... over and over again I see that is something that is lacking in the Queen's camp and that has caused them problems. Yes I know...the Queen is not a politician. Rather than expecting everyone to bite their tongue in their presence as if people are children is the height of arrogance and is just unreal in this day and age. A little sense of humor or learning how to good naturedly handle rude remarks in stride goes a very long way.
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Old 01-02-2007, 06:31 PM
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Prince William will marry Kate Middleton 'on July 19' - Don't worry, you have not missed the announcement!

A PUNTER from Kent will collect more than £2,000 if Prince William gets married to Kate Middleton on July 19.
Jason Bolton went as far as to name the date when he put a £30 bet on the heir to the throne getting hitched in 2007.
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Old 01-02-2007, 10:04 PM
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I view her reaction as pompous to even take seriously the EDITOR's ridiculous suggestion. I guess I'm used to politicians who make careers of deftly handling rude or hostile questions and/or suggestions. Finesse... over and over again I see that is something that is lacking in the Queen's camp and that has caused them problems. Yes I know...the Queen is not a politician. Rather than expecting everyone to bite their tongue in their presence as if people are children is the height of arrogance and is just unreal in this day and age. A little sense of humor or learning how to good naturedly handle rude remarks in stride goes a very long way.
I don't think Warren implied that the Queen expects reporters to bite their tongue when they're around her but are you implying that the Queen should bite her tongue when reporters make an obviously stupid and sarcastic remark? Pardon me, but that belief seems even more pompous.

The reporter's remark was pompous; the remark doesn't become any less pompous just because the Queen says it.

Actually I believe that the Queen's popularity among her subjects is at the highest its been in some time so the politically inept old out of touch woman must be doing something right.
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Old 01-03-2007, 09:07 PM
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As I'm posting this link I'm just wondering where are all the tough questions about why William is seemingly being pressured to get engaged and marry at 24/25 years old?

Video: CBS News/"Betting" On Royal Engagement
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2326099.shtml
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Old 01-04-2007, 02:47 AM
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As I'm posting this link I'm just wondering where are all the tough questions about why William is seemingly being pressured to get engaged and marry at 24/25 years old?
Plenty of members have commented on the media "pressure" (or impatience) for an engagement announcement. Do the media pass the self-interest test?
There's no evidence or suggestion of pressure being applied by others close to Prince William or Ms Middleton.
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25 years old seems like a good, mature age to marry. He isn't 18.

They seem to be under no pressure from what I can see. I don't understand why you are so against Kate, LaV. This is a university romance (itself an excellent start - almost by definition they are intellectually suited to each other) which has survived several years post-university. A great many of my friends married under just such circumstances and are still married. Surely college is the best place to pick up a mate, your brainpower aligns and there's none of the mismatching we saw with Charles and Diana.
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Don´t think William marries until he´s about 28 or so. Don´t even think Kate will be the one. So to me all this speculation about his relationship with his actual (and not last) girlfriend is a little boring.
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On the radio today it was saying that the bookies have stopped taking bets on the wedding being on the 19th of July because it seems so certain. Seems a bit early to me unless someone from the royal household or a friend has blabbed
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On the radio today it was saying that the bookies have stopped taking bets on the wedding being on the 19th of July because it seems so certain. Seems a bit early to me unless someone from the royal household or a friend has blabbed
yes, the rumor now is than the wedding will be the july 19 but still nothing about the futures titles
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But July 19th is a Thursday, seems like an odd day for a wedding. You would think it would be on a weekend.
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But July 19th is a Thursday, seems like an odd day for a wedding. You would think it would be on a weekend.
I wonder when they will start to kill animals and read the date from the animal's livers, like the Romans did.... Can imagine the headlines:
Roman Mystic discloses The Secret:: Royal Wedding will be on the....
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Old 01-06-2007, 01:35 PM
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If Prince William and Kate haven't really made up their mind whether they want to be together (marry), all these rumours and pressure are going to put a real strain on the relationships.
They may love each other, may like each other and be friends, but if they are unsure of future marriage, there is a chance they might break up (I don't want that at all).

I know I would stand all that, if I weren't really, for 100% sure of my feelings. I would definitely not tolerate paparazzi in front of my house.
So I'd say if they will still be dating in 2-3 months, they are pretty sure of their feelings and plans.
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But July 19th is a Thursday, seems like an odd day for a wedding. You would think it would be on a weekend.
The bookies would lose so much money, I think we can be pretty sure it will not be on July 19th, which as you say is a Thursday.
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Charles and Diana were married on a Wednesday!
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I was wondering about that. It would just seem more logical to get married on a weekend though. I guess Charles and Camilla were aiming for a friday.

I think it would be funny though if the guy got bad info and someone else gets married that day. (Peter Philips or a minor royal)
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I don't think it matters what day of the week they get married on. Whatever day it is, it will be a huge event. For logistical reasons, ie., shipping guests in from across the globe, the weekend would be better sense.
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That is if anyone actually bothers to go. You never know, the Royal Houses of the world might be washing their hair that day.
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That is if anyone actually bothers to go. You never know, the Royal Houses of the world might be washing their hair that day.

You know, I think they might go with greasy hair for one more day. Whether he marries Kate or marries some other lucky lady (well, lucky is subjective here I guess), it's still going to be big news.
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