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Old 10-02-2008, 03:14 PM
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Let's drop the Diana/Sarah arguments please and get back on topic.

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Old 10-02-2008, 03:22 PM
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I'm sitting here deciding whether to fetch some popcorn or a flamethrower. This thread is turning a bit personal. Could we maybe put our collective hackles down and move on? You know - ->

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Old 10-02-2008, 03:35 PM
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I saw on TV today that Vanity Fair is supposed to do an article on the couple.
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Old 10-02-2008, 03:57 PM
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I saw on TV today that Vanity Fair is supposed to do an article on the couple.
It's a pretty big feature into her life, I liked it and I can't imagine Kate will be disappointed with it. She comes off very well...
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:37 PM
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I have posted the article form Vanity Fair by Vicki Ward dated November, 2008. (I think that the date is a misprint). It can be found here:http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...postcount=1189

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Old 10-02-2008, 07:21 PM
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Wow, this thread exploded while I was at work!

I'm not a believer that royals should only marry royals although I wouldn't be opposed to it.

But the middle class is so large, it covers a diversity of backgrounds and outlooks, some which may prepare one better for a royal life than others. Princess Mary of Denmark comes to mind. Her family was not wealthy, her father was a college professor and she had a background in PR. Careers at the University and the social strata among the professors as well as the unusual practice of tenure, gives University life a lot of parallels with the lives of the royals even though professors don't make much money at all. Professors have to mingle with all sorts of society - high and low - to make it in a University and they have to master the social nuances of each social class for the type of events they attend. It is a very social and very tradition-bound career much like being a royal although it doesn't make much money. Mary, herself, had a background in PR. So I think that the combination of Mary's background in PR combined with her growing up in a University professor's family gave her an insight into the challenges she would face as a royal princess.

I thought that Kate and William had a lot in common at the University however, that may have been due to the fact that University life for students tends to minimize class and culture divides in favor of a single unified University esprit de corps much like the military tends to minimize cultural and class divides among its fighting men.

However, when you take people outside of the cocoon of the University, other influences start to take force, such as people's own background. From the dot.com millionaires I know, there is a big cultural divide between them and even the more traditional banker/lawyer/doctor type middle class success story.

If you think of the Royal Family as a 1000 year old brand image, then its natural to look for signs if the 'image' that a newcomer projects will complement or detract from the core Royal brand. When Kate was at the University and even when she was apparently doing nothing while the press was complaining about her not working, I still thought her image consistent with the basic values of the British Royal Family brand.

However, these latest PR attempts don't even seem like they're marketing the same thing that the Royal Family is trying to project. This gives me the idea that Kate and her family may have a totally different idea of how to market themselves than the Royal Family does and this disconnect for someone who is marrying into a very high profile position can be problematic.

Now if she had gotten a job out of the University at an art museum, even if it were filing papers in a back room, that would be more consistent with the overall Royal Family brand image.

Of course they have to love each other but for such a high profile position, I don't think love is enough. Andrew and Sarah loved each other a great deal but she still had tremendous problems with the Royal Family because even though they all loved her privately, her image detracted from the Royal brand.

Yes, you can see that I've been working with marketing lately. I have marketing on the brain but I think there are great parallels when you think of the Royal Family as a family business with a brand image that they want to maintain and then think of who or what could most reasonably enhance it. It doesn't solve the love problem, of course, like I said, the two have to love each other, but the marketing question is important too and I think it shouldn't be overlooked just because two people love each other.

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I think what bothers me about the dot.com connection is that you don't have to be social to make a lot of money in the dot.com business and the position of a Royal Princess is totally social. That's the big disconnect for me, and I think it may be hard to overcome.
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Old 10-02-2008, 07:41 PM
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I must say I have never particularly liked the girl but she is growing on me, but that is beside the point. I am not the one in the relationship with her and for these and all gods mercies I am truly grateful. Williams opinion on that is the only one that counts and I am glad she does do some charity work as I believe everyone from every work of life should.
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Old 10-02-2008, 08:30 PM
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I believe that it is a person's qualities as an individual that makes him/her suitable for a certain role in life, and I believe this applies to Kate, and to William too, for that matter. Of course William - and Charles, and Elizabeth, and others before them - can't do much about it; they had/have to live with the hand they've been dealt. Some find it easier than others, and that is because of their qualities as an individual.

A person's qualities as an individual are influenced to some extent by the nature of the family they grew up in, including whether or not it was a wealthy family, but wealth does not guarantee "class" in my opinion. IMO "Class" has less to do with money than with how people behave and particularly how they treat other people: whether they are selfish or generous, tolerant or bigoted, etc.

As long as Kate's family members behave in a generally civilized fashion, I don't see how they are relevant to whether or not she would be a suitable spouse for William. Gum-chewing is not a criminal offence.

I believe it is Mary Donaldson's qualities as an individual that have made her suited to being Crown Princess of Denmark, and that it will be Kate's qualities as an individual that will determine whether or not she is suited to be the wife of the future King of England etc. I think Mary has shown us that if the person has a suitable personality and temperament and the love and support of their spouse, they can learn the rest. Kate has a university degree, so she has proved she has the ability to study and learn.

And since none of us here knows her I don't think we are in a position to say categorically that she is not suited to the position. I think we have to rely on the judgment of those who do know her, and I tend to think that by now Charles and the Queen, particularly the Queen, know enough about what is required in someone who joins the RF in a senior role, and how to find out that information about them, to know whether or not she is suited to it, and I will rely upon their judgment. I am fairly sure William would not marry someone of whom they did not approve and think suitable.
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Old 10-02-2008, 09:07 PM
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I have posted the article form Vanity Fair by Vicki Ward dated November, 2008. (I think that the date is a misprint).
Thanks for linking the article here, Al_bina. I think the date's probably right; magazines like Vanity Fair tend to release issues a month ahead of time, so the issue on sale in October has a November date, usually.

I thought the article was a good, balanced overview of the press coverage Kate's gotten while dating William. Not too much new news, but a good, fairly neutral overview, I think.
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Old 10-03-2008, 03:18 AM
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I believe that it is a person's qualities as an individual that makes him/her suitable for a certain role in life...
Well said, Roslyn. Its exactly the point I have been trying to make - individuals matter, not who their ancestors were. And since none of us really know Kate as a person, we are really not qualified to comment on her suitability or not!
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Old 10-03-2008, 03:50 AM
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Of course chewing gum is not a criminal offense, it is just plain rude.
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Of course chewing gum is not a criminal offense, it is just plain rude.
Well, I guess that's a matter of opinion. Not the best decision in the circumstances, perhaps, but I don't think it's rude.
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Roslyn at a Sandhurst passing out parade? I am equating rude with bad manners.
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Roslyn at a Sandhurst passing out parade? I am equating rude with bad manners.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that point, Menarue. I do not consider the act of chewing gum at such a function to be bad manners.

What I do consider to be extremely bad manners is the way the media and some commentators seized the opportunity to use it as a means of attacking Mrs Middleton's relatively humble origins and as evidence of her, and thus her daughter's, unsuitability to be connected with the Royals. And as for the behaviour of some of William's high-born friends, if those allegations about their references to Mrs Middleton's previous occupation were true....
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Old 10-03-2008, 10:16 PM
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i tought that the was get marry 2 years ago, then was credible, but now, no. are so much thinngs that make me think that Kate is not the right one for William, beacuse if she were, they were marry now.
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Old 10-03-2008, 10:40 PM
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They're still pretty young, though, only 26. They may just be waiting until they're a little older to marry. Or they may just be satisfied with their current level of commitment for now. I suppose we won't find out for sure until they either get engaged or move on to other relationships.
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There are so many couples who are all over each other and seem blissfully happy at their weddings, but then they show up in divorce court. Sometimes it's really hard to tell through displays of affection how people really feel about each other. The really telling thing is how people treat each other when they're in private and how people who know them well see the relationship. My husband and I were never touchy-feely in public, but we're quite happily married.


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See here's my thing too the whole why doesn't he show more affection, while I would perfer to see them being more touchy I know alot of people who just aren't very touchy with each other doesn't mean they don't love each other, or maybe William is just the type of guy that doesn't like showing his feelings to the whole world again doesn't mean they aren't in love, but I do get why people don't like the fact they're very reserved. Again we barely really know the couple apart from what we see in pictures.
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If the story is true that Mrs. Middleton was chewing nicotine gum in order to keep from smoking, I say "bravo" to her. I agree with your comments re the awful remarks that were made about Kate's parents' origins.


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I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that point, Menarue. I do not consider the act of chewing gum at such a function to be bad manners.

What I do consider to be extremely bad manners is the way the media and some commentators seized the opportunity to use it as a means of attacking Mrs Middleton's relatively humble origins and as evidence of her, and thus her daughter's, unsuitability to be connected with the Royals. And as for the behaviour of some of William's high-born friends, if those allegations about their references to Mrs Middleton's previous occupation were true....
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^Ya exactly I totally agree I mean for example, my grandparents never made out in public, held hands or what not but they've been together since the day they met and they're still going strong now.
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Of course chewing gum is not a criminal offense, it is just plain rude.
She should have used a nicotine band-aid instead. I saw the parade on TV and found her equally bad behaved. But probably she did not realize how this appeared to the public - I bet she'll never make another mishap like that, dor I don't think she is generally lacking in manners - flight attendants normally are especially well-trained in manners. As Mrs. Middleton is a former flight attendant, I take this as a clue that she didn't want to be rude in the first place.
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