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Breeding is breeding and I believe it shows in Sophie and her descent from royalty is not far fetched as a consultation of her genealogy will prove. And the argument that most of the people on here are probably of royal descent is a bit strange, but anyone can suffer from delusions.
I have seen nothing in Kate Middleton to justify all these compliments or anything in her so far that would make her a good successor to the Queen mother, she seems to have just toyed with employment and really has earned the title of Waity Katy as she really seems to have been waiting round for some time now. It is true that Elizabeth Bowes-Lyons did not work, of course she didnīt, she belonged to a generation that didnīt expect a young lady of her rank to work but nowadays young women, especially those not born with silver spoons in their mouths are different and are expected to do more with their lives than pose for photographs and suddenly find they are employed in the family firm when criticized.
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Sophie is a distant cousin of both Diana and Prince Edward. At the time of the marriage this was remarked upon mainly because of the likeness between her and Diana.
yes but this still doesn't make her royal, or even an aristocrat for that matter.
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Old 10-02-2008, 09:32 AM
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Old 10-02-2008, 09:38 AM
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are expected
Are expected to do what by whom? It really makes me angry that anybody can come here and put their personal expectation online as if they were the incarnation of all the Gods that ever rules society. If we were talking of a criminal record, okay, that would be different. But we are talking of a young lady nobody knows enough about to have a basis for passing judgment. I really think those people who believe their "expectations" are what makes the world move around the sun should have a close look at themselves, their family and the way they tread people they meet everyday. And think hard about expectations, about the difficulty to fulfill other people's outspoken or silent expectations and about where the basis for their daring to treat other people that way comes from.

I recall having read an interview with Francesca Habsburg not so long ago where she said that the expectations of her family, of the Habsburgs and of the people she met where so tough on her that she simply decided to leave her husband Karl (for those not in the know: Karl Habsburg would be the Crown prince of the Austrian-Hungarian empire today if it still existed) though not divorcing him in order to find herself. Poor Lady, I thought. Poor Archduke Karl. Sad, that.
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Old 10-02-2008, 09:43 AM
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Breeding is breeding and I believe it shows in Sophie and her descent from royalty is not far fetched as a consultation of her genealogy will prove. And the argument that most of the people on here are probably of royal descent is a bit strange, but anyone can suffer from delusions..
i didn't doubt that she descended from royalty but how far back must one dig in order find royalty that would "qualify" them as marriage materian. i can certainly trace my roots back to royalty...does that mean that i have the breeding to make me acceptable marriage material for a member of the royal family? no it doesn't. diana could trace her roots back to royalty and look what happened there? geneology is at best a weak excuse to use for acceptability.

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I have seen nothing in Kate Middleton to justify all these compliments or anything in her so far that would make her a good successor to the Queen mother, she seems to have just toyed with employment and really has earned the title of Waity Katy as she really seems to have been waiting round for some time now. It is true that Elizabeth Bowes-Lyons did not work, of course she didnīt, she belonged to a generation that didnīt expect a young lady of her rank to work but nowadays young women, especially those not born with silver spoons in their mouths are different and are expected to do more with their lives than pose for photographs and suddenly find they are employed in the family firm when criticized.
you've seen nothing in her to say that she's discreet? loyal? you have definitely been missing a lot of the story. why is it wrong for her to wait? and who is it wrong for...you? the public? william? and who says it's wrong for her not to work? she gives back to society, she has taken part in at least 2 charitable events, that we know of and for all we know her family may donate money to charity. and why do we criticize her for working in the family firm? if she were a son then she'd be EXPECTED to work in the family firm but because she's a female she's expected to go out work for someone else? and because she wasn't born into wealth she has to work? if she were born into wealth it would be ok for her to stay at home and live off daddy's money? you can't seriously believe all this?
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Breeding is breeding and I believe it shows in Sophie and her descent from royalty is not far fetched as a consultation of her genealogy will prove. And the argument that most of the people on here are probably of royal descent is a bit strange, but anyone can suffer from delusions.
I have seen nothing in Kate Middleton to justify all these compliments or anything in her so far that would make her a good successor to the Queen mother, she seems to have just toyed with employment and really has earned the title of Waity Katy as she really seems to have been waiting round for some time now. It is true that Elizabeth Bowes-Lyons did not work, of course she didnīt, she belonged to a generation that didnīt expect a young lady of her rank to work but nowadays young women, especially those not born with silver spoons in their mouths are different and are expected to do more with their lives than pose for photographs and suddenly find they are employed in the family firm when criticized.
Continuing along the that breeding is breeding then it must be only a royal trait to put one's foot in one's mouth. I'm not so sure that Sophie's breeding was showing with the fake sheik meeting not the photos of her pre-Edward. Princess B is wonderful role model to follow, esp. how productive she was with her gap year (sorry, but the trip with her father does not earn her any brownie points). Catherine really does not deserve the myriad of spiteful comments that have appeared in print (esp DM) and on the internet. If you were in her position, what would you have done and who would you trust?
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Old 10-02-2008, 09:56 AM
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Kate's recent PR strategy or whatever poeple call it is a complete desaster IMO, very very amateurish. Her problem is that she never followed kind of a red line in her life but went zigzag all the time, at least from when she got her degree. She has followed several "career paths" (Jigsaw, photography etc), none of them worked out,
What PR strategy, one tiny piece written on a website probably by her mother. She has had one job, where she gained experience, both as a buyer and how some people find it easy to make money about of a tenuous association
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she hasthen had some strange attempts to do charity (sisterhood, roller disco etc) which can be considered poor at best,
Strange attempts???? In what way, having her name associated with all 2 events gave them both a lot of publicity which in turn equals money for the cause.
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now this desperate but embarrassing "involvement" in party pieces, with her picture on the website and naming items after William and Harry as if to visibly confirm, yes, I really do work.
Why is it desperate or embarrassing to work for your parents multi million pound enterprise? William, Harry, Elizabeth are common names, so why would it be a problem, why is it 'visibly' confirming anything. The fact that all the negative and nasty comments complaining that she didn't have a job, have now been knocked into touch, now it's - 'She may have a job but it's not a proper job'.
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If Kate had gone down Chelsy's path, simply continuing with her life and education / job -------- and it turns out almost impossible for Kate to fill this waiting time with something substantial, as we all have seen for months and years now.
Oh please, Chelsy is hardly a role model, IMO. When did Catherine sign a pledge to live up to anyones expectations, except her own. Who decides what is 'substantial', what is 'worthwhile', perhaps before anonymous posters complain that she hasn't filled her days and months meeting their exacting statdards, they might like to mention whether they have done anything 'substantial' with their own lives!
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Breeding is breeding and I believe it shows in Sophie and her descent from royalty is not far fetched as a consultation of her genealogy will prove.
11th cousin of Prince Edward, now that is a close relation!!!!

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Breeding is breeding
..... when you are trying to find a mate for your labrador, not a partner for life. I am afarid this line of argument is just competely out of kilter with the world we live in!

Menarue - If your or my thoughts mattered (and they don't, so this is purely hypothetical!), how would you like Kate to spend her time, since you dont consider her working for her parents and doing charitable work on the side as adequate?

Sky - Well said, and I could not agree with what you have said!
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Old 10-02-2008, 10:19 AM
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I said "distant" cousin...... but breeding is breeding and Sophie shows it. What would I like Kate Middleton to do, frankly speaking I would like her to look for a husband who is not the future King of England. I have nothing against the girl, I donīt know her I just donīt think she is suitable for Queen consort.
What is this charitable work she is doing? and why is she doing it? I always thought that this kind of activity was for older society women or members of the royal family and so far she neither one nor the other.
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What is this charitable work she is doing? and why is she doing it? I always thought that this kind of activity was for older society women or members of the royal family and so far she neither one nor the other.
Each of us can do whatever charity work we want to and feel able to do well. In the UK, it is not just the preserve of the royal family or older society women. As an example, the London marathon attracts hundreds of people, all running to raise funds for charity. Don't find many older society women there!

Kate is probably doing the charity work because she feels she can take on the additional workload, and in the process, help support some of the causes that may be close to her heart.
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I donīt know her but I like the idea of a royal family being royal.
By your preference of keepoing the royal family royal, when was the last time a royal married into the British royal family? Can't be Diana (merely aristocratic), can't be the Queen mother (again, mainly titled and aristocratic, but not royal - though I have not checked up to her 11th cousins!)..... does Prince Philip qualify?
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What would I like Kate Middleton to do? Frankly what I would like is for her to look for a future husband who is not the future King of England.
Let me rephrase. What would you like her to do with her time, given that she is in a close relationship with Wills, and is probably going to marry him in 18 - 36 months from now?
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Everyone except the immediate royal family is a commoner...... You obviously think that is doesnīt matter who royals marry, my preference is for someone royal or of royal descent. What is this about Prince Philip? More royal blood than his wife actually but Elizabeth Bowes-Lyons was of royal descent so perfectly acceptable.
Kate Middleton is not, so in my opinion she is not acceptable. But as I said and so did you, our opinions wonīt account for anything and I am only giving mine because you asked for it.
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Let me rephrase. What would you like her to do with her time, given that she is in a close relationship with Wills, and is probably going to marry him in 18 - 36 months from now?
I told you, I would prefer she found someone else.
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Elizabeth Bowes-Lyons was of royal descent so perfectly acceptable.
Don't have any geneological charts to hand at the moment, but Elizabeth Bowes-Lyons' royal linkage was not that close.... but as I have said, I have not check up to her 11th cousin! You do relaise that if the royals kept inter-marrying, they would end up with an incredibly weak gene pool!

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What is this about Prince Philip? More royal blood than his wife actually
... sure! Just that at the time of the wedding, the fact that he did not have a British passport till very close to the engagement, that his close family were supporters of Hitler, that he came from a broken home and had had a very peripatetic childhood were all considered to be serious negatives. What prevaled, in the eyes of King George, was because he thought that Philip was a good human being, would be a good consort to the next Queen, and of the love that Elisabeth deeply loved Philip!

I am sure that Diana and the Spencers could be linked back to be of royal descent. That is a prime example of how, depsite the right "breeding" (going back to my labrador analogy!), Diana was a deeply troubled flawed individual - some of that could be attributable to the difficult childhood she had following her parents acrimonious divorce and subsequent respective remarriages! In short, in this dya and age, most people believe that individuals matter, not their stock!
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I said "distant" cousin...... but breeding is breeding and Sophie shows it.
how does she show it? you can't show breeding, she's not an animal.

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you've thought wrong. charity work is done by everyone from all levels of society. mother theresa? terry fox? catherine has taken part in charity events for 2 organizations in the last year...one as recently as perhaps 2 weeks ago - someone correct me on the time if i'm wrong.
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And he was a royal prince! The nephew of a royal cousin....
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how does she show it? you can't show breeding, she's not an animal.
What is this charitable work she is doing? and why is she doing it? I always thought that this kind of activity was for older society women or members of the royal family and so far she neither one nor the other.
you've thought wrong. charity work is done by everyone from all levels of society. mother theresa? terry fox? catherine has taken part in charity events for 2 organizations in the last year...one as recently as perhaps 2 weeks ago - someone correct me on the time if i'm wrong.
Sorry you have made me laugh at the image of Mother Teresa going round in short sequined shorts doing charitable work....
We will never agree but please Mother Teresa was a nun, they are supposed to charitable work. Terry Fox? Sorry I donīt know who she is.
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And he was a royal prince! The nephew of a royal cousin....
Thats exactly my point. His royal descent did not make Philip suitable as a match for Princess Elisabeth, his qualities as an individual did!
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Well the royal descent certainly didnīt make him unsuitable. What exactly were his qualities again?
The then Princess Elizabeth was head over heels in love with him which is always to be taken into consideration and as he was of royal birth, a royal Prince, this made him perfectly suitable as a consort.
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