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Old 09-21-2008, 10:43 PM
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I think that is why there is this apparent delay in the wedding.


There has been no suggestion of which I am aware that says that neither Kate nor William don't want kids but just rather that they aren't ready yet and so delaying the wedding delays the kids until they are ready.
Forgive me for sayng this but this is a most cocamemi reason for delaying a marriage I ever heard of. Last time I checked there was no deadline as to how soon anyone should have a baby. To delay a marriage because the couple is not ready to become parents yet??? Whoever suggested this did not exactly think the statement over. I am not suggesting they rush into anything but for a couple in their late 20's marrying and waiting for 10 years to have a child should not be that unusual.
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Old 09-21-2008, 11:52 PM
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I think the difference, Odette, is that not every young couple who marries and waits 10 years to have a child is a royal couple being pressured to produce an heir and a spare to secure the succession. So while pressure to have a child might not be significant enough to make a "regular" couple delay marriage, I think it absolutely could be a good reason for William and Kate to do so.
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Old 09-22-2008, 12:16 AM
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I think that to wed a royal the bride must be Virgin, so is Kate virgin???
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Old 09-22-2008, 12:50 AM
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I think that to wed a royal the bride must be Virgin, so is Kate virgin???
That is not longer necessary. Today it is enough if she doesn't have a shady past and Catherine has only ever dated William.
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I think the difference, Odette, is that not every young couple who marries and waits 10 years to have a child is a royal couple being pressured to produce an heir and a spare to secure the succession. So while pressure to have a child might not be significant enough to make a "regular" couple delay marriage, I think it absolutely could be a good reason for William and Kate to do so.
The moment Catherine or any other lady says yes to william in a church, the media will start to stare at her belly and speculate. And they will only stop once the heir is born. Just take a look at the Joachim and Marie of Denmark-thread. Joachim already has two sons and he is fourth in line now, but still the whole world seems to wait for Marie to get pregnant immediately. Same will happen to william's bride. no doubt about that.
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Old 09-22-2008, 01:26 AM
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Right and if she doesn't get pregnant within the first year speculation about her health and her ability to conceive will start. Certainly not a nice situation to be in either.
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Old 09-22-2008, 02:44 AM
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When I said that Ingrid Seward had been in close contact, by that I meant that she had at least had interviews and spoken to members of the RF over the years which not many people have. In fact she had an interview with Princess Diana just a month or so before she died. To have these interviews and write the articles in the magazine she says she has come to know many members of the royal household(s). I believe that she has come to know far more about the RF than the normal newspaper jounalist, photographer, reader or the casual or no matter how enthusiastic observer.
Never for a moment would I think that either Kate or Chelsy could be invited to a royal wedding without HM´s consent and that only proves that she has her eye on what is going on in her family but I still don´t think that it is a sign of her acceptance of her grandson´s future bride, I think it shows more of a grandmother´s indulgence to her grandson´s wishes...... I wish that I thought that Kate Middleton was the right person for a future Queen, the future will tell, and it is the Queen who will have the last word on this.
In the meantime I think it would be wise for Kate Middleton not to run round in sequinned hotpants as she just might take another tumble.
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Old 09-22-2008, 03:19 AM
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I wish that I thought that Kate Middleton was the right person for a future Queen, the future will tell, and it is the Queen who will have the last word on this.
I'M not so convinced that the queen will have the last word on this, IMHO Charles has already shown that he is his own man and if he likes and welcomes Catherine, then William will be able to marry her, no matter what the queen thinks.

I believe with Charles' 60th birthday we're going to see a shift in the responsibilities. IMHO the queen will take a bit more of a backseat and let Charles and Camilla step forward in order to make the ascension of Charles easier for him and the people of Britain. We might well see parliament officially deciding that it is simply not done to deny Camilla her title as queen as one of the first steps, then Charles and Camilla doing more official engagements in lieu of the queen/Philip and finally Charles as accepted figurehead of the RF with his mother enjoying a bit more leisure.
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Old 09-22-2008, 03:41 AM
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What I meant Jo is that no member of the royal family, least of all the future King of England, can marry without the sovereign´s consent so the last word is definitely with the Queen or Prince Charles if at that time he is King.
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Old 09-22-2008, 07:59 AM
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What I meant Jo is that no member of the royal family, least of all the future King of England, can marry without the sovereign´s consent so the last word is definitely with the Queen or Prince Charles if at that time he is King.
While this is certainly true, I think the most recent royal marriages show that the Queen is more concerned with making her children happy than with issues of who is "right" for the role. I'll never forget when I heard that Charles was finally going to be allowed to marry Camilla -- I couldn't believe the Queen would give her okay, given the history of the pair. But I think she's more modern and more flexible than most of us would imagine when it comes to happiness in marriage for her family.
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Old 09-22-2008, 08:06 AM
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I agree, Ella. She has certainly learned (the hard way) that it is better to have her children be happy in a functional marriage with someone they chose than to find the supposedly perfect future spouse and make everyone involved unhappy on the way. I don't think HM would denie William to marry whom he wants to (unless the woman involved was a criminal or something like that). To forbid him to do so or to pressure him to find a certain type of woman would only lead to another disastrous marriage.
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Old 09-22-2008, 08:09 AM
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I still don't understand how Kate felt wearing short-shorts would help her be taken more seriously as a charity fund raiser and would show she was doing something. This is the second Charity she has done and it has somewhat backfired on her, the Charity Amazon Boat Race and now this recent skating one. If the Pr. William or Palace wants her to be taken seriously as a future Princess, I wonder why no help for her, because this one kind of turned out bad for her pr wise.

also..... I do recall she frequented their old nightclub haunts (when they broke up) Bijous,Mahiki, I can't recall the name of the clubs ,once with Jecca's ex boyfriend or someone previously close to Jecca, name Ropner, a Aristocratic guy,some press felt it was to get attention from William. She also went to a couple nightclubs where William's friend Guy Pelly was having events or something. William basically avoided the clubs at that point I think.
SarahMay - I would love to know what you would like a girl in Kate's position to do. The Jigsaw experient demonstrated how difficult it was for her to have an "independent" job without being harassed by the Press. She responded by moving back to Bucks to work for her parents, where it is reported that she works on a full time basis. Additionally, on the side, she helped organise a fund raiser in support of a charity. I can't really see what might be wrong with that. Kate is rarely seen in London on her own when William is not around. Not that we know of the time that Will & Kate spend together, how much of that is seen in clubs (and there is nothng wrong with going out and socialising with friends regularly - thats what young people do!). They may be spending many quite evenings just together, either at home or at a quiet restaurant, without having themselves photographed in the process.

I also do not know how this fund raiser has truely given her bad PR - other than a small section of the tabloid world that seems to be focussing on a shot of her when she fell down. Was she expected to appear at the 1980s style roller skating fundraiser in a suit and a hat? When she is expected to be formally dressed, she is. If anything, usually the press is commenting on how conservatively she is dressed. The dressing up was just a bit of fun, and one that most of us found quite funny! All part of being a normal human being.... qualities required in being a future member of the royal family.

The key thing that we all have to remember is that she is in this rather odd position where a lot is written about her, but she is not in a position to respond. She does not have her own PR machine that can respond to a lot of information that is put out about her which may not be correct. Even the royal family, with their PR maching in place, do not respond to every story written about them. If Kate were to start to respond, she would risk following in the steps of Diana, and her unfortunate dalliance with the media!
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That I think was the problem with the press, when Kate complained through a solicitor about being harassed by the press she was accused of doing the same as Princess Diana who liked to encourage the press on occasions and then complain on others.
Camilla is different from Kate, she has been close to the royal family from a very early age and is from a noble family also I believe that the Queen is fond of her. Camilla´s ex-husband is a close friend of the royal family and he and his children seem to be fine with their mother´s marriage so it is quite a different situation. A young girl from another social level, an unknown marrying the future heir to the throne is quite a different cup of tea. But nowadays some things are being done differently so perhaps she will manage to get her Prince but I don´t think that what has happened in other European Royal families will have any influence on the BRF.
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Old 09-22-2008, 11:55 AM
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I think the difference, Odette, is that not every young couple who marries and waits 10 years to have a child is a royal couple being pressured to produce an heir and a spare to secure the succession. So while pressure to have a child might not be significant enough to make a "regular" couple delay marriage, I think it absolutely could be a good reason for William and Kate to do so.
Oh I understand perfectly well that they are not a regular couple. What I ound strange is that they would have announced up front that the reason they would delay a marriage is for the fact that they are not ready to become parents.
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While this is certainly true, I think the most recent royal marriages show that the Queen is more concerned with making her children happy than with issues of who is "right" for the role. I'll never forget when I heard that Charles was finally going to be allowed to marry Camilla -- I couldn't believe the Queen would give her okay, given the history of the pair. But I think she's more modern and more flexible than most of us would imagine when it comes to happiness in marriage for her family.
I agree with you for the most part. What seems to be happening is that the Queen has adapted to the times. This is the same person who denied her sister to marry Captain Townsend. She also seemed to have been the reason why Charles did not marry Camilla all those years ago. Looks like the Queen is more concerned these days with adapting while duty still remains above all other concerns. I believe Charles told the courtiers that Camilla was a non negotiable issue in his life and the Queen accepted her as his spouse.....What happens with the rest of her grandchildren remains to be seen, especially with William and Harry being so close to the throne.
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I wonder still how the Palace viewed Kate's recent Charity Event outing, it has been reported that the Queen does read the papers. Those photos could not have been helpful.

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That is not longer necessary. Today it is enough if she doesn't have a shady past and Catherine has only ever dated William.
Kate did have boyfriends before William , one who may or may not have shared the house at University before William. William supposedly heard they broke up and inquired upon the old boyfriend, "supposedly" asking if they had broken up because, he'd like to have a go. I'm sure it was mean't innocently.

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While attending the University of St Andrews in 2001, Middleton met Prince William of Wales. At the time, Middleton already had a boyfriend, though she, William, and two other students became flatmates in late 2002, at the beginning of their second year at St Andrews. Middleton and her then-boyfriend broke up...... popstarplus.com
before that boyfriend she also dated a guy name Willem Marx, who she went out with one night this year when friends gathered at a club. He now works as a journalist I think.
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This is the young man she went out with during the break up. Henry Ropner.
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Kate dates William's old love rival | Mail Online

..But as far as anything harmful from her past, I agree there is nothing. I think all that is needed for her is Pr William's proposal, well Officially. Not sure if it will come, some University students just end up being good friends in the end . Still it remains to be seen because as one Senior Royal Household source was quoted as saying, just days ago "Talk of a Royal engagement is extremely premature"-Hello! pg. 12
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The photos of the old boyfriend certainly show that Prince William as far as looks go is definitely her type.
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The photos of the old boyfriend certainly show that Prince William as far as looks go is definitely her type.
I am reading about the sequined outfit at the skating rink but I did not find any photos of the outing. Do we have any on these posts?
BTW the in between boyfriend is more attractive than William....
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I agree, a very good looking young man indeed. I saw the sequin outfit in the Daily Mail online. She was wearing very short shorts and showing her really beautiful legs but the shot of her lying sprawled on the ground was not really her best angle.
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I agree, a very good looking young man indeed. I saw the sequin outfit in the Daily Mail online. She was wearing very short shorts and showing her really beautiful legs but the shot of her lying sprawled on the ground was not really her best angle.
Thanks Menarue. I have to go hunting for the photos now!
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Thanks Menarue. I have to go hunting for the photos now!
I found this link to save you a bit of time.

Portrait of the future Queen of England: Kate Middleton's tumble at the roller disco | Mail Online

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