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Old 12-17-2006, 04:03 PM
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Grace Kelly, Marily Monro and Jacqueline Onassis were of the same generation. Grace and Jacqueline were born in 1929, Marilyn was born three years prior. The idea of unique persons only comes along once in a generation is very romantic but also inacurrate.
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Old 12-17-2006, 06:06 PM
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Well I guess this makes these people even rarer because our generation sure hasn't seen many of them except Diana.
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Old 12-17-2006, 08:04 PM
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The way the mass public takes to a public person can't be manufactured. It has to come from the heart.
Who says that the two are incompatible?

Marketing, advertising, and public relations are the science of provoking certain human emotions in your audience to get a desired reaction to your product whether it be perfume, an actor, or a public figure.

Just because the reaction is manufactured doesn't make it any less real. These experts figure out what most people are looking for emotionally and then package the product or person to enhance what people are looking for.

That's not to say that Diana didn't really care for people, but don't underestimate the power of the journalists around her (Richard Kay, etc.) to enhance certain qualitites that she possessed that they knew would resonate with the public.

Its interesting that the journalists are doing the same with Kate but emphasizing different characteristics. With Diana before her engagement, they emphasized her youth, her innocence, her freshness, her unspoiled nature, her virginity. With Kate, its her common sense, her decorum, her coolness under fire.

Kate may not have any more common sense than Diana had but from the way the papers are talking about her good sense and her willingness to stand up to the Royal Family, its pretty apparent that these qualities that the majority of the newspaper readers relate to now - not the innocence of a schoolgirl.
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Old 12-17-2006, 10:34 PM
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Who says that the two are incompatible?
The two are not always incompatible. Most of the time they go hand and hand. But sometimes we're surprised by, for instance, lackluster sales of an album or movie by a singer or actor who is on the cover of every magazine in the world and then some singer or actress, without much marketing at all, comes out of no where to become a big star.

I will get back on topic now.
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Old 12-18-2006, 05:13 PM
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i think Catherine, if they marry, will be extremely popular but not to the same degree as Diana.
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Old 12-18-2006, 07:20 PM
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kate and william

prince william and kate are not ready for marriage yet they are too young to be thinking about marriage.
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Old 12-18-2006, 07:55 PM
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prince william and kate are not ready for marriage yet they are too young to be thinking about marriage.

Why are they 'too young'?

I know many young people who have married at 24 or so - and they don't seem too young to me.

William and Kate have been in some type of relationship for at least 4 years now and are comfortable with each other.

I don't see any reason why age has anything to do with it - maturity yes but age no (the two are not the same thing).
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Old 12-18-2006, 07:58 PM
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I personally think that the press and people, in general, are getting over-excited about Kate and Wills ( insofar as their marriage)
Firstly, she is his first serious girlfriend (but maybe i just didnt notice the others) and his first long term relationship...Its a big thing and generates fun pictures.
Secondly, my goodness, they're 24! If they announced their engagement next week, well...this'd be me: (imo 24 is a very young age to marry..)
And thirdly, it hasnt been common, has it, for the British Monarchy to "flaunt"(used loosely) their gf's/bf's? (as opposed to the Danish, for example...We have front row seats )So maybe, Will is just being a little less formal and it conflicts with what has previously been presented? So people dont know what to think.
Despite all that, they're young, my age, and in love. No need to push them to the alter...Despite how much fun it'd be to look at all the pretty dresses
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Old 12-18-2006, 08:05 PM
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William still has alot to go in the military first of all, so he won't be around much this next year. I would think that after the disaster with Charles the royal family is going to be really careful. The Queen inviting her to tea , and riding etc. is just a first step not an engagement. If they are going to get married, I would say that they will keep the engagement announcement quite for as long as possible to give them both space before the masses decend on them. So I would say maybe next year but not this one. After all She won't hang around for ever waiting. So next year is my guess.
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Old 12-18-2006, 08:54 PM
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Remember that next year is the 60th anniversary of the Queen and Prince Philip's marriage and she has indicated that she wants the focus on celebrations next year to be on the contribution that he has made - a way of honouring him.

An engagement and a wedding next year will take the focus away from those big celebrations.

I suspect an engagement may be a year or so away - if Kate is to be the one.
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Old 12-18-2006, 09:37 PM
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Ohmigosh! You mean we have to endure all this speculation and twittering for at least another twelve months?

I say make the engagement announcement Christmas Eve and get a quickie wedding out of the way early in the New Year - with all that staff they should be able to put something together for around Valentines Day - and then everyone can focus on the celebrations for the oldies for the rest of the year.

Only kidding. But definitely feeling a bit wicked.
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Old 12-19-2006, 06:13 AM
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Full of Christmas spirit perhaps! Perhaps they will elope and then let the press know!
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Old 12-19-2006, 11:50 AM
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Perhaps they will elope and then let the press know!
Is Gretna Green still an option for British citizens?

IMHO, William has learned from the desaster of his parent's marriage. The basic problem between Charles and Diana was that she had a very romantic and self-centered ideal of a marriage and Charles could not fulfull his part in it because he didn't even understand what it was that Diana was searching for.
The famous remark about "Three in a marriage" show IMHO that Diana did till the end have no understanding that she didn't marry a man and this man alone but with him his position and his entourage.

The research about the infamous note in the Paget-report tells at least me that Diana had in 1995 no more contacts to Charles' inner circle, so wasn't informed what was going on in his private life. She probably never had these close contacts and on feeling that was unhappy and felt unloved.

William seems to have learned from this. He seems to include Catherine as much as he can (hence his secretary as escort on his passing-out parade), while OTOH this young lady has to fight for herself pretty much of her time. Which is an excellent training because William will need a partner and not a spoiled princess. IMHO.
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I do not believe a marriage will happen in the imminent future, if at all. While Kate certainly seems to have been a stabilizing and supportive force in William's life, he knows better than anyone the consequences of making the wrong choice. I am not saying Kate is bad, but it is too early to tell at this point.

William must demonstrate to The Queen his commitment to duty and that includes finishing his military service, taking on public duties and learning about the constitutional monarchy. As a future king, his responsibilities to the Crown must come first.
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Why do you think marriage would interfere with that?
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Old 12-19-2006, 03:16 PM
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William must demonstrate to The Queen his commitment to duty and that includes finishing his military service, taking on public duties and learning about the constitutional monarchy. As a future king, his responsibilities to the Crown must come first.
Yes, I wonder if he will do the 49+ weeks officer training at BRNC and Cranwell. These are surely things he will need to complete before releasing the hounds of hell on any girl!
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Why do you think marriage would interfere with that?
The pressure and attention from the media would be a huge distraction for him and Kate. The comparisons to Diana, what her fashion sense is, her charities and public duties. The focus would be on the wrong things, instead of William having the space to develop his character and duties.

It's too early for that in my opinion.
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While Kate certainly seems to have been a stabilizing and supportive force in William's life, he knows better than anyone the consequences of making the wrong choice.
no one can possibly know if they're making the right or wrong choice until "death do they part".
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Old 12-20-2006, 12:00 PM
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Isn't there a grand house (mansion, really) under construction for William somewhere out towards the Welsh border. Why? To me, there's only one answer -- that's where he will bring his bride, and Kate seems to be the only contender.
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Old 12-20-2006, 03:27 PM
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I thought the grand house was for Charles and Camilla? Oh I am confused.
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