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Old 06-14-2007, 10:09 AM
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Well, their mother wanted them to be "normal", there you go. I'm almost ready to believe they have consciously gotten into the habit of sloppy speech in order to keep themselves from seeming "royal". What a shame



Somehow I knew Diana would eventually get the blame for this . Perhaps they were uncomfortable even after all these years speaking about the subject. I have found that when they pose for photographs with their father and are asked questions they speak quite properly.

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Old 06-14-2007, 10:29 AM
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Well, what I find funny is that we constantly hear, "Di brought up those boys single-handed" and "Di loved those boys and brought them up so well", yet when they do things that show them to be dangerously close to being chinless wonders, it's nobodies fault. We can't have it both ways.
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Old 06-14-2007, 11:45 AM
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Old 06-14-2007, 12:00 PM
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From the article - "shuttling between their aristocratically aloof father and their vibrant mother". Oh please, is this an example of the calibre of the programme?
Added to that, they have even promoted Harry!
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Old 06-14-2007, 12:21 PM
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I look at it this way - Princess Alice lost her son and her husband within a few years of each other. When asked how she felt? "Misfortunes happen to other people, one just get's on with it" - William and Harry need to get on with it, as does the world press. It's over, it's done and the future awaits.
Well, I hope that they truly never get over it! How does one really ever get over losing a love one. You do go on with life, but to say "it over, it done,the future awaits " is just wrong. My Grandmother died 13 years ago and I still think of her each day. I do think that the world press should let Diana rest in peace, but I hope her boys never forget!
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Old 06-14-2007, 02:25 PM
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I think that Beatrixfan makes a fair enough comparison to Princess Alice. After all, Prince William of Gloucester was only 30 (actually, not even, but almost, I believe) when his mother lost him, and Diana was 36.
Princess Alice never sought the world's pity. She never sought to steal anyone's limelight. She lived and worked quietly, "got on with it" with dignity.
That is truly honorable.
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Old 06-14-2007, 02:48 PM
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After all, Prince William of Gloucester was only 30 (actually, not even, but almost, I believe) when his mother lost him, and Diana was 36.
Princess Alice never sought the world's pity. She never sought to steal anyone's limelight. She lived and worked quietly, "got on with it" with dignity.
That is truly honorable.
Hear. hear, that's exactly what you do. Very many people have suffered greater losses and got on with living their life.
Of course people grieve in different ways, but there is nothing honourable in making a meal out of it.
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Old 06-14-2007, 02:56 PM
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I believe that people who knew Princess Alice have said that she was never the same after her son died; however, she didn't become paralysed by grief in the way Queen Victoria did after Prince Albert died, but just picked herself up and soldiered on. Unfortunately these days, that would be seen as evidence that she was a cold, unfeeling woman who didn't really love her son.
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I think they probably didn't prepare with CH aids and plus they were try too hard speak like normal guys of their age which ended up coming off badly.
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I believe that people who knew Princess Alice have said that she was never the same after her son died; however, she didn't become paralysed by grief in the way Queen Victoria did after Prince Albert died, but just picked herself up and soldiered on.
What are getting at?
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Read the rest of my post, and you'll see.
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Old 06-14-2007, 03:48 PM
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there is nothing honourable in making a meal out of it.
A meal? We're currently being treated to a chain of gourmet restaurants, each one feeding on the rotting carcass that is the Diana press machine. And today we had yet another boring interview with William and Harry spewing out the same old phrases. BORING. It's very very boring. If this is the future of the monarchy then let me just say I'll be voting Patti LuPone for our first President.
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Old 06-14-2007, 04:19 PM
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My point is Harry was a child when she died, William a young adult. I believe William met with the Queen often and perhaps still does to study Royal whatever. I would think due to their age when she died any study of public speaking would have been taught after her demise. Hard to find her at fault that she wanted them to be brought up more normal than royals before them when she hasn't been here for the last 10 years!

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Old 06-14-2007, 06:38 PM
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I believe that people who knew Princess Alice have said that she was never the same after her son died; however, she didn't become paralysed by grief in the way Queen Victoria did after Prince Albert died, but just picked herself up and soldiered on. Unfortunately these days, that would be seen as evidence that she was a cold, unfeeling woman who didn't really love her son.
I like this part especially: "....just picked herself up and soldiered on...." That is so true. That is what it takes when one has such a loss. For everyone. You truly have to fight like a soldier to get up everyday and keep going. I think William and Harry are doing a good job (or seem to be) of soldiering on as well. Maybe they can do better, and maybe they will do better as they mature. They have a lot to wrap their heads around. I don't envy them having such a circumstance. One thing that was probably very helpful to Princess Alice was that she didn't have magazines and booksellers printing crap about her husband and son for a decade after they died. I think the media and people like Tina Brown do much more harm than good by rehashing all these scandalous troubles in order to make money from recycled laundry. It's sickening.
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Old 06-14-2007, 07:06 PM
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Except for an interview like this, I can't remember William and Harry constantly brining up their mother as an excuse for anything. In fact, they, especially William, are usually criticized because they don't speak about their mother. Many say that William just hasn't gotten over it because he doesn't speak about it.

I think they have moved on. Everywhere they turn there are still people trying to profit from her life and her death. I lost count of the number of books available on Amazon this year alone. She still sells magazines and books. I don't think it is her children who haven't moved on, it is the media who wants to continue to profit and people filing lawsuits because they can't except that that they died.

Of course they are going to mention her in this interview. The interview is to generate interest in the concert. She would be the obvious topic. What a natural question?
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Old 06-14-2007, 07:14 PM
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I just saw this article.

William and Harry fight for their mother's reputation | the Daily Mail

I thought this quote from the article was very appropriate for this discussion.

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Speaking about missing her, [William] added: "It's one of those things that is very sad but you learn to deal with it and there are plenty of other people out there who have got the same or worse problems than we've had."
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Old 06-14-2007, 08:04 PM
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There's a difference. Princess Alice said it and did it. William and Harry seem to say it alot but then wheel the Di stuff out again.
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Of course one can compare the tragedies. Princess Alice got on with it, there's no reason the two Princes shouldn't follow her example.
People deal with their grief in different ways BeatrixFan. I think William and Harry moved on but that doesen't mean that they have to stop honoring and cherishing their mother's memory because certain people don't like her. They set up a concert and memorial service to remember Diana's life there is nothing wrong with that.
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Old 06-15-2007, 12:54 AM
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There's a difference. Princess Alice said it and did it. William and Harry seem to say it alot but then wheel the Di stuff out again.
How do you know HRH Princess Alice never did it? Just because she doesn't warrant attention in the media does not mean it never happenned. Why don't you just turn off your TV, disregard those magazines and newspapers, keep away from those internet sites whenever they report about Princess Diana's 10th (death) anniversary and her sons' dedication to her?
I see their tribute as fitting because it is something they have decided to do themselves to honour the memory of their mother. Their father does not object so why should we?
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:35 AM
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People are entitled to express opinions both in favour of and in opposition to the princes' involvement in these commemorations. As long as our posters bear in mind our requirements to not let criticism turn into outright insult and to treat other posters with respect, there's no reason why we can't all express our opinions.

I think Princess Alice's experience and Prince William and Prince Harry's experience are fairly different. Princess Alice was an older woman with many years of training and experience in public service, and in the early 1970s the Gloucesters were becoming junior members of the royal family so there wasn't as much media interest. On the other hand, the princes were youngsters when their mother - a media icon - died, and Diana was a great meal ticket for the media, who are extracting whatever they can during what may be the last opportunity to make real money out of her. Having said that, apart from a short mention in her autobiography it doesn't seem as though Princess Alice talked about her son's death and her feelings about it in public, so I think it's probably fair to say that she really did just grit her teeth and get on with it, at least as far as her interaction with the public was concerned.
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