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Old 02-14-2013, 07:10 PM
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Actualy, Oliver Cromwell was the first person I thought of when it was mentioned she had been thinking of the name Oliver. It really is a popular name now, my new great grandson has it for a middle name.

One other thing too. I would imagine that even if Charles had assented to Oliver, HM would put a quick veto on it.
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Old 02-14-2013, 08:27 PM
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I stumbled across this the other night and since it's about Harry...



I love HM teasing Zara about the new puppy.
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I stumbled across this the other night and since it's about Harry...



I love HM teasing Zara about the new puppy.
Okay, that was the cutest thing ever. I love how even though they're the BRF they still act (at least with the children at that age) like any other art of parents/grandparents/great-grandparents/cousins.

Question, regarding the christening gown. It's said early on in the clip that the gown Harry is wearing was used for the christenings of Prince Charles, "Granny" (HM), and "Great-Granny" (QEQM). Would it have also been used for other Royals - the Queen's younger children or her sister, or any of the other BRF grandchildren or even her great grandchildren?
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I don't know why Diana said Great Granny was also christened in it, because if she meant QEQM, she wasn't. HM certainly was and AFAIK, all of the Royals used it, including Princess Margaret's children and grandchildren up to Lady Louise. By the time it was used for Louise, the lace had become too fragile and HM commissioned a brand new replica to be used from now on.

Reason I know it was used for Margaret's grandchildren is because there's a gorgeous B&W out there w/the Queen Mum holding one of Lady Sarah Chatto's sons after his Christening. :)
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The gown began its life in Queen Victorias time and was used by ,many of her British descendents up until quite recently. It has now been retired and restored. A copy of it was made. I believe James, Viscount Severn was the first to be christened wearing the new gown.
It would not have been used for the Christening of the Queen Mother as she was born a Bowes Lyon and not a member of the royal family.
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I don't know why Diana said Great Granny was also christened in it, because if she meant QEQM, she wasn't. HM certainly was and AFAIK, all of the Royals used it, including Princess Margaret's children and grandchildren up to Lady Louise. By the time it was used for Louise, the lace had become too fragile and HM commissioned a brand new replica to be used from now on.

Reason I know it was used for Margaret's grandchildren is because there's a gorgeous B&W out there w/the Queen Mum holding one of Lady Sarah Chatto's sons after his Christening. :)
Maybe Diana meant to add a few more "greats" in there, although I don't know if Queen Victoria's grandchildren referred to her as "Granny."

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The gown began its life in Queen Victorias time and was used by ,many of her British descendents up until quite recently. It has now been retired and restored. A copy of it was made. I believe James, Viscount Severn was the first to be christened wearing the new gown.
It would not have been used for the Christening of the Queen Mother as she was born a Bowes Lyon and not a member of the royal family.
When Diana uses the name "Great Granny" in the clip I assumed she meant QEQM, implying that it was of Bowes Lyon origin. I guess either she was wrong in the use of "Great Granny" or I was wrong in the assumption that she meant QEQM.
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I personally don't understand the confusion between the fact his given name is Henry and he chooses to be called Harry. My name is Elizabeth and hardly anyone calls me that. I prefer Beth, and that's what I've always been called. It doesn't mean my parents should have just named me Beth instead. They had their reasons for naming me Elizabeth, the same as Charles and Diana had their reasons for naming him Henry. It's an old, established name in the royal family, and they clearly had a fondness for it. Harry is merely a nickname, and besides.....Henry is a very formal name. For a baby, which he was at the time, Harry was perfect. He's chosen to keep with it, rather than revert to the more "grown-up" name.

It's no different than someone named Margaret going by Meg or Maggie, or someone name Jennifer going by Jen or Jenny.
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When Diana uses the name "Great Granny" in the clip I assumed she meant QEQM, implying that it was of Bowes Lyon origin. I guess either she was wrong in the use of "Great Granny" or I was wrong in the assumption that she meant QEQM.
Perhaps Diana meant Princess Alice of Battenberg (Prince Philip's mother)? She was born at Windsor Castle in the presence of Queen Victoria, although the christening took place in Darmstadt. As a great-granddaughter of Queen Victoria, I find it entirely plausible Alice was christened wearing the gown.
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:35 PM
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Perhaps Diana meant Princess Alice of Battenberg (Prince Philip's mother)? She was born at Windsor Castle in the presence of Queen Victoria, although the christening took place in Darmstadt. As a great-granddaughter of Queen Victoria, I find it entirely plausible Alice was christened wearing the gown.
That is a really logical explanation. I'm pretty sure that Princess Alice was no longer alive at the time, but she still would have been Great Granny and may have been christened in the gown.

Another explanation is that she meant Great Grandad, in reference to George VI, who would most likely have been christened in it too.
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The Spencer red hair dates back to Sarah, Duchess of Marlborough, who would be ecstatic to know that her direct descendant Prince William was the future king :-).

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Prince Charles did say years ago that he planned to be known as George VII, but I can't see it. George VI chose to be known as George rather than Albert partly to show continuity with his father after all the upset of the Abdication and partly because (as with Edward VII) the name Albert was associated with the German Prince Albert, whereas George was seen as a British name ... er, despite not having been used by any British royals before the Hanoverians! Edward VII was known as Prince Edward even though his family called him Bertie: everyone knows Prince Charles as Charles and it would be totally weird to start calling him George!
Not quite - the brother between Edward IV and Richard III was George, Duke of Clarence and one of Edward's sons who died in infancy was named after him. So there's two royal Georges who were Plantagenets.
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Not quite - the brother between Edward IV and Richard III was George, Duke of Clarence and one of Edward's sons who died in infancy was named after him. So there's two royal Georges who were Plantagenets.
I think, and I could be wrong, Alison more meant there's been no British monarchs named George other than the Hanovers (and of course, the Windsors).
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We know that Charles in a passionate Shakespeare fan, so will undoubtedly be aware of the iconic line from Henry V, Act 3, Scene 1:

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It would seem that 'Harry' has been a somewhat informal substitute for Henry for rather a long time.
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Henry Percy, to whom Anne Boleyn was supposedly betrothed before Henry VIII set eyes on her, was called Harry Percy. So yes, it's been used as a nickname for Henry for a very long time.
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6 pages and with the last post, I think this is where we came in ........
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...given the way their relationship ended, I do find it a bit ironic that the next King Charles...almost had a son named Oliver.
...and Oliver Hoare would be mortified if he had.
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