Titles and Styles of William, Harry, Wives and Children - Page 8

Royal Fan · #**141** 05-16-2006, 02:17 PM

What is left in Regards to England ,Wales and Scotland? :) im not sure.

BeatrixFan · #**142** 05-16-2006, 02:19 PM

Nor me. But I have a feeling that Harry will get a Welsh title to try and improve the Welsh relations. Or possibly something Scottish for the same reason.

Jo of Palatine · #**143** 05-16-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wymanda

If Harry persists in his relationship with the, IMO, dreadful Miss Davy then they may need to revive "Duke of Windsor"!!

LOL! Quite the idea!

Toledo · #**144** 05-16-2006, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Elspeth

I'm not sure that the Queen and especially Parliament is going to want to potentially upset the Northern Irish situation by handing out Irish peerages to either of the Wales boys. Prince Andrew got a subisdiary Irish title but Prince Edward didn't. Prince Harry may end up with a series of titles like Prince Philip: one English, one Welsh, and one Scottish.

Although in Spain we have a parallel situation, with the Basque section, I don't see why they could get upset since Northern Ireland is part of the Crown. But you post from Britain, right? Won't giving a traditional Irish title help a little?

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Originally Posted by wymanda

If Harry persists in his relationship with the, IMO, dreadful Miss Davy then they may need to revive "Duke of Windsor"!!

Very clever idea!

Royal Fan · #**145** 05-16-2006, 11:28 PM

Ive got it!! Prince Henry Duke of Kendal ,Earl of Peterbrough,Baron Haselmere and Viscount Belfast

Toledo · #**146** 05-16-2006, 11:46 PM

I like the Duke of Kendal, has a nice ring to it. Kind of Kendal/Ken doll. Although Chelsy will be more like a Malibu Stacy to that Kendal's Barbie doll.

**Elspeth** · #**147** 05-17-2006, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Toledo

Although in Spain we have a parallel situation, with the Basque section, I don't see why they could get upset since Northern Ireland is part of the Crown. But you post from Britain, right? Won't giving a traditional Irish title help a little?

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't; it'd be seen as some sort of claim of ownership by Britain that would throw fuel on nationalist flames.

Vita · #**148** 05-17-2006, 04:46 AM

Well, then I guess the Duke of Cambridge is definitely out of the question, which is a shame because I like that name too. Wasn't the last DoC George from Hanover? He was the one that married the actress and had some kids with her out of wedlock right? I remember paying attention in class when teacher spoke of him because I remember her saying he thought arranged marriage were doomed to fail or something of that nature and had a secret wedding with his wife.

That story was a crazy one. He seemed to be the type of man who was always going against the grain.

branchg · #**149** 05-18-2006, 08:32 AM

The Dukedom of Cambridge is an English peerage and is traditionally associated with junior sons of the Sovereign. It was last created for Prince Adolphus, seventh son of George III. Upon the death of his son, Prince George, the dukedom became extinct.

It was then re-created as a marquessate for Queen Mary's brother, Adolphus, Duke of Teck, when George V ordered his relatives to cease using their German titles and honours in the UK in 1917. It became extinct again in 1981 after the death of his son, George.

Vita · #**150** 05-18-2006, 01:57 PM

That would be quite dashing then. Duke of Cambridge would be awesome and it's English and you know the last duke was a bit of rebel like Harry, so why not? My vote is Duke of Cambridge. I'm sure all the dukedoms have a bit of scandal so the Duke of C shouldn't be as bad as all that. Although, Geroge, the last duke, was known to give out rankings according to social status as opposed to merit and to hinder the glory of the British army for a bit, but c'est la vie.

**Marengo** · #**151** 05-18-2006, 02:40 PM

Is it certain he will get a dukedom anyway? His uncle Edward, who was even the son of a reigning monarch (which Harry is not...yet) did only recieve an earldom.

branchg · #**152** 05-18-2006, 06:32 PM

Edward will become The Duke of Edinburgh after the death of Prince Philip and the ascension of Charles to the throne, so it's highly likely Harry will receive a dukedom upon marriage regardless.

It's not impossible that Harry will receive an earldom instead, but this would be unusual, especially if he marries while still being third or second in line for succession to the throne. Once William marries and has children, then Harry's place becomes less important, but this could be years away.

I think Harry will be granted a dukedom.

Toledo · #**153** 05-18-2006, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Elspeth

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't; it'd be seen as some sort of claim of ownership by Britain that would throw fuel on nationalist flames.

That bad? Over here, the other side of the Atlantic Pond, we hardly heard anything new on the issues between North Ireland and Ireland.

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Originally Posted by branchg

Edward will become The Duke of Edinburgh after the death of Prince Philip and the ascension of Charles to the throne, so it's highly likely Harry will receive a dukedom upon marriage regardless.
It's not impossible that Harry will receive an earldom instead, but this would be unusual, especially if he marries while still being third or second in line for succession to the throne. Once William marries and has children, then Harry's place becomes less important, but this could be years away.
I think Harry will be granted a dukedom.

Edward will be given that title?
Why not simply upgrade the Earlship he has into a Dukedom?
Is there one reserved specifically for the husband of a Queen?

**Warren** · #**154** 05-19-2006, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Toledo

Edward will be given that title?
Why not simply upgrade the Earlship he has into a Dukedom?

Toledo, the issue of Edward eventually becoming Duke of Edinburgh was announced at the time of his wedding in 1999. It works like this: the Duke of Edinburgh dies and the dukedom reverts to the Crown. When Charles becomes King he will re-create the dukedom for Edward. Branchg can provide the detail, but this is the gist. :)

Little_star · #**155** 05-19-2006, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Warren

Toledo, the issue of Edward eventually becoming Duke of Edinburgh was announced at the time of his wedding in 1999. It works like this: the Duke of Edinburgh dies and the dukedom reverts to the Crown. When Charles becomes King he will re-create the dukedom for Edward. Branchg can provide the detail, but this is the gist. :)

Does this mean that potentially there could be no Duke of Edinburgh for a period of several years. Let's say, for example that the Duke of Edinburgh dies and the Queen dies 5 years later. Does it mean that for that 5 year period the title of Duke of Edinburgh would lie vacant?(This is all fictional, Im not suggesting in any way, shape or form that I'd like the above to apply). Furthermore, is Charles obliged to re-create the Dukedom, what if he simply decided he didn't want to?

branchg · #**156** 05-19-2006, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Little_star

Does this mean that potentially there could be no Duke of Edinburgh for a period of several years. Let's say, for example that the Duke of Edinburgh dies and the Queen dies 5 years later. Does it mean that for that 5 year period the title of Duke of Edinburgh would lie vacant?(This is all fictional, Im not suggesting in any way, shape or form that I'd like the above to apply). Furthermore, is Charles obliged to re-create the Dukedom, what if he simply decided he didn't want to?

When Prince Philip dies, Charles, as his eldest son, automatically inherits the Dukedom of Edinburgh. If The Queen is still alive, Charles would simply add his father's titles to his existing ones as the heir to the throne. If both The Queen and Prince Philip have passed on, his father's titles would merge with the Crown (the Sovereign cannot be a peer) and be available again.

The plan is for Charles to re-create the dukedom of Edinburgh for Prince Edward once he is King. As the Sovereign, he would be under no obligation to do so since he is the fount of honour.

Little_star · #**157** 05-19-2006, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by branchg

When Prince Philip dies, Charles, as his eldest son, automatically inherits the Dukedom of Edinburgh. If The Queen is still alive, Charles would simply add his father's titles to his existing ones as the heir to the throne. If both The Queen and Prince Philip have passed on, his father's titles would merge with the Crown (the Sovereign cannot be a peer) and be available again.

The plan is for Charles to re-create the dukedom of Edinburgh for Prince Edward once he is King. As the Sovereign, he would be under no obligation to do so since he is the fount of honour.

Ah, I see. Thanks very much for that information. It's fascinating and I'm slightly ashamed with myself for not knowing more about how the system works.

As Charles has plenty of titles already, I'm sure he won't mind letting his baby brother be Duke of Edinburgh if and when that situation arises.

Toledo · #**158** 05-20-2006, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Little_star

Ah, I see. Thanks very much for that information. It's fascinating and I'm slightly ashamed with myself for not knowing more about how the system works.

As Charles has p