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Old 10-27-2017, 02:30 AM
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Clarence is the best title for Harry. I hate Sussex.
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Old 10-27-2017, 06:17 AM
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There is no Duke of Clarence with claimants currently.

The last Duke of Clarence died without issue in 1892. He was the eldest son of Edward VII - named Albert Victor.

You are confusing Clarence with the deprived titles of Cumberland and/or Albany.
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Old 10-27-2017, 10:33 AM
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I don't see the line dying out any time soon. Shame the family doesn't just all reject their claim. No one has bothered to try claiming it in decades. But seems unlikely to happen.
Why hasn't anyone claimed it? Do they just not want it or do they not know who should have it?
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Old 10-27-2017, 11:07 AM
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Why hasn't anyone claimed it? Do they just not want it or do they not know who should have it?


The successors arenít people who are unaware of the workings of nobility, so they likely know that they have this option.

The current heir to the Duke of Cumberland is Prince Ernst Augustus of Hanover. The title was last used by Ernest Augustus, Crown Prince of Hanover, the son of George V of Hanover (and great-grandson of George III of the UK). This EA had his titles deprived during WWI. His son, Ernest Augustus, Duke of Brunswick, fought in WWI and so wouldnít have been able to try to get the title back. This EAís son, Ernest Augustus, Hereditary Prince of Brunswick, fought in WWII for the Germans, so again not likely to get the title restored. The current EA is this EAís son.

The last Duke of Albany was Charles Edward, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, who fought in WWI. He didnít fight in WWII... but was a Nazi. His son, Johann Leopold, fought in WWII for the Germans. His son, Ernst Leopold, could have claimed it, but didnít, nor has his son Hubertus. Itís interesting, because Johan Leopold renounced his claims to Saxe-Coburg and Gotha to marry (making his children ineligible to claim the title); the Hanoverís donít need to claim Cumberland because they have bigger titles to claim, but the Saxe-Coburgs who could claim Albany canít also claim Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.
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Old 10-27-2017, 11:28 AM
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Probalby they don't want the titles but don't want to renounce them in case any children they might have, would feel differently.. so they are just doing nothing...
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Old 10-27-2017, 12:43 PM
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Well....I'll add my vote to those who believe it will, in all likelihood, be Sussex. Though I'll also add my vote to those who wish it wouldn't. I really don't have any great reason why I wish it wouldn't, other than perhaps the puns and jokes that might come of it.

I do with that Ross or Avondale, Montagu, Ancaster, or Buckingham were possibilities. Or even something entirely new which, while a possibility, is not likely. I'd really even prefer Clarence over Sussex, though.

Alas....I think we'll probably have to settle for Sussex and try not to laugh too hard at the off color jokes that will surely come with it.
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Old 10-27-2017, 12:52 PM
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13 male heirs and counting. Most of whom are young enough they may still have more children.

Prince Leopold's had one son Charles Edward. Charles was the one who was deprived of his title due to his German involvement. Charles had five children, his second child and eldest daughter being Sibylla, mother of Carl Gustaf. His eldest son Johann Leopold gave up his claim to Sax-Coburg when he made an unequal marriage. But he didn't lose his claim to Albany, as morganatic marriage don't exist in the UK. It is his grandson Hubertus who is the current 'titular duke of albany' though never claimed it. Hubertus has a son who is 24, and 2 younger brothers who are 1-3 in line. Hubertus' uncle Peter is 4th, Peter's sons are 5th and 6th and his grandson 7th. Since Charles Edward's second son Hubertus died before him, his youngest child Friedrich became head of the house of Sax-Coburg. Friedrich is the father of Andreas, the current head of the family. Andreas is 8th, his son Hubertus 9th, his grandson Philip 10th, and his younger son Alexander is 11. Andreas had a younger brother Adrian. Adrian died in 2011, but his two sons are 12th and 13th.

Other then Peter who is 78 and Andreas 72, the majority are young enough to add. Many are still very young.

I don't see the line dying out any time soon. Shame the family doesn't just all reject their claim. No one has bothered to try claiming it in decades. But seems unlikely to happen.

I did not know about Hubertus having a right to the Albany title and just not claiming it. It is pretty silly, yet I still think if I had a claim to a title, and to that one, that was Leopold's title, I would want it. Because why not?
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Old 10-27-2017, 01:09 PM
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Well....I'll add my vote to those who believe it will, in all likelihood, be Sussex. Though I'll also add my vote to those who wish it wouldn't. I really don't have any great reason why I wish it wouldn't, other than perhaps the puns and jokes that might come of it.

I do with that Ross or Avondale, Montagu, Ancaster, or Buckingham were possibilities. Or even something entirely new which, while a possibility, is not likely. I'd really even prefer Clarence over Sussex, though.

Alas....I think we'll probably have to settle for Sussex and try not to laugh too hard at the off color jokes that will surely come with it.
I dont remember that happening with Wessex
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Old 10-27-2017, 01:14 PM
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I dont remember that happening with Wessex
Me either. I think Sussex is fine.. it's slightly difficult to say, but that's it. We'll see what happens.
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Old 10-27-2017, 01:17 PM
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Duchess of Sussex is a challenge to say
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Old 10-27-2017, 01:36 PM
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I dont remember that happening with Wessex
Yes, but Edward had a very different reputation than Harry. Harry was regarded, especially a few years ago as being very much the eligible bachelor, a bit of a ladies man, or at least the tabloids tried to paint that sort of picture, and it will be the British tabs, headed by the Fail and Sun that will be making the SusSEX puns in their newspaper headlines when the news breaks.
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Old 10-27-2017, 01:57 PM
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It probably won't be as bad as all that. There might be a silly headline such as "Sexy Sussex" here and there but I doubt it will go viral. I don't think there are enough people who care. Those who do care will be much more interested in the new bride to care about the duchess title.
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Old 10-27-2017, 05:20 PM
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Why is Clarence bad? If its because it has bad history attached to it all titles has lol.
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Old 10-27-2017, 08:01 PM
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I did not know about Hubertus having a right to the Albany title and just not claiming it. It is pretty silly, yet I still think if I had a claim to a title, and to that one, that was Leopold's title, I would want it. Because why not?
The Coburgs have other more prominent titles and I guess living abroad they don't really care about a foreign title.
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Old 10-28-2017, 11:55 PM
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The Fail has produced an article about some long ago ancestor of Meghan's shared with the Queen Mother. I don't care about that, but one little snippet from the article did intrigue me. A 17th century German Markle ancestor had a coat of arms. I can't find the relevant thread for this but I wonder whether Meghan's father could claim that as his when his daughter becomes engaged and it could be incorporated on his daughter's after marriage. It's a rather nice design in a beautiful blue.

Harry and Meghan are cousins family tree from 1480 reveals | Daily Mail Online
If it cannot be claimed, they might at least use it as an inspiration to create a coat of arms for Meghan (would it be possible to just award it to her as her father is a non-British citizen?).
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Old 10-29-2017, 12:01 AM
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Question. Can an old German coat of arms even be eligible for approval by the College of Arms? I would imagine that they're as valid in the UK as German foreign titles? Its an idea to maybe use it for an inspiration maybe.

I know next to nothing about heraldry.
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Old 11-14-2017, 06:35 PM
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I just know about the bent sinster part lol that's it.


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A new thread with a poll has been created: Possible Dukedom for Harry and Meghan
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