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Old 09-18-2017, 05:01 AM
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No idea what Meghan (if he marries her) has to do with anyting.. but he's gong to have a royal dukedom when he marries. that's pretty much a given. and he will want It since it is the normal mark of status for a Prince who is the monarch's son or grandson in the direct line. to get this when he marries.
Of course he will want his children to have the normal marks of rank.. so if he's a royal duke he'll want them to be HRH,. If they are needed for royal duties, they can do them. If not, there is noting to sotp tehm havig a normal life and not using their titles.. and only appearing at big royal events or family things.. and then they can be seein publicly u sing their HRH style. Odds are that they'll be like Bea and Eugenie, so they wil problaby flit from job to job, and be hired because they DO have a royal style.. but if they turn out to be hard working and genune about having a career, the HRH wont be any bar to them being taken seriously in their jobs.

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I don't think you understand how it works.

What Harry wants has nothing to do with it. The current LPs say that the following people are HRH Prince/Princesses:
- the children of a monarch
- the male-line grandchildren of a monarch
- the children of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales

Harry's children are not covered, therefore they'll be styled as Lord/Lady, until such time as they are the male-line grandchildren of a monarch.
True but the chances are that when he marries the queen will issue LP giving his children the style of HRH and Prince/ss.
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Old 09-18-2017, 08:46 AM
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True but the chances are that when he marries the queen will issue LP giving his children the style of HRH and Prince/ss.
I don't think that's a given. If it is, the Queen could've simply just issued the LP for all grandchildren of PoW to be HRH before Charlotte was born rather than just the children of eldest son of PoW.
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Old 09-18-2017, 08:56 AM
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I think she does these things on a case by case basis....
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Old 09-18-2017, 10:31 AM
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Honestly I'd be surprised if Harry was not made a Duke and his children were not HRH.

Yes it's possible he could refuse his children titles...I just don't know if it would change anything to make their lives easier. No matter if Harry's kids have titles or not they will always be profiled or followed by the media/public.


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Old 09-18-2017, 10:46 AM
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True but the chances are that when he marries the queen will issue LP giving his children the style of HRH and Prince/ss.
I believe she will do that too for reasons that have already been expressed that I will not reiterate.
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Old 09-18-2017, 10:13 PM
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Issueing LP to give HRH and prince(ss) to Harry's children would create a very strange situation in which two of her grandchildren (Louise and James) who were supposed to be HRH and prince(ss) according to the current rules have not been given these titels and predicates (by the queen's will), while she would need to issue LPs to grant her great-grandchildren who are not entitled to this these titles and predicates. I don't think the Queen is that inconsistent!
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Old 09-18-2017, 10:28 PM
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Why would the Queen issue LPs? Harry isn’t even engaged yet, by the time he gets married and his children are born the Queen will probably be over 95. Even with her reaching her mother’s age, Charles will be king while Harry’s kids are still in primary school and at that time they will automatically be upgraded to HRH.
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Old 09-18-2017, 10:40 PM
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For Harry, it would be relatively easy to issue LPs that state "All grandchildren of the heir" which would solely deal with Charles' son's children. It wouldn't be inconsistent really of HM to do this as with Edward's kids, it was done by request of Edward and Sophie. LPs are issued at the will and pleasure of the monarch.

Princess Larisa though has posted the logical way of things though. If the Queen does not issue LPs and things go as they normally progress, it would be relatively short time between Harry having his children and his father becoming king.
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Old 09-18-2017, 10:48 PM
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The only honour that must be conferred by Letters Patent is a peerage. Once conferred it can only be removed or modified by parliament.

All the rest, HRH and prince/ss can be done whatever way The Queen feels is appropriate to the situation.

Who is a Prince? It changes over time but it denotes a degree of family relationship to the sovereign.

Why the 1917 Letters Patent are so often referred to is because for basically the first time royal styles and titles were 'codified.'

We had a no-fuss, no-muss group of people who were entitled to use Prince before their name.

But the Royal will and pleasure of his late majesty King George V belongs to him.

Queen Elizabeth II is not bound by a previous king. She has the power to change or modify royal styles and titles as she pleases.

If she says James Wessex is to be styled as the son of an Earl, he's styled as the son of an Earl. That's it.

Almost certainly Harry will receive a dukedom but as for his children, I don't know. I never thought they would be Prince/ss, following his uncles lead and now with Meghan in the picture I'd wager on it.

Relatively speaking, Harry and Meghan have much more choice with their children than William and Catherine have.

If Meghan really is this modern, 'women of the world' type we keep reading about, she may not want all the bells and whistles for her children, for her yes, she'll be a duchess but the kids can just be kids.
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Old 09-19-2017, 02:41 AM
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Their kids will not just be kids though, whether or not they are styled as HRH. There is likely going to be a lot of interest in them either way, certainly more so than Edward's children and probably more than Beatrice and Eugenie.

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Why would the Queen issue LPs? Harry isn’t even engaged yet, by the time he gets married and his children are born the Queen will probably be over 95. Even with her reaching her mother’s age, Charles will be king while Harry’s kids are still in primary school and at that time they will automatically be upgraded to HRH.
Well I think one could argue that this is even more reason why the Queen would/should issue LPs. If they'll immediately be upgraded to HRH within the next 5-10 years, why not just give them said status from birth?

Personally, I'm not sure what is more likely right now. I could see the Queen issuing LPs but I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't.
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Old 09-19-2017, 05:56 AM
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I should think she will. Edward and Sophie were given a lesser title than usual wehen they married and it was announced then I think that their children would not use the titles of Prince etc.. but just Viscount and Lady. I don't believe it was intended that Ed and S would be doing much royal wrok, that only came later and clearly they preferred it if their children did not have the titles of Prince and Princess as they were so far down the Line and they would problaby never be needed for Royal duties. But Harry, in due course will be the second son of the King and brother to the next king. His children will be higher up in the line and he and his wife WILL be doing royal duties. So I would be fairly sure that the queen will want his children to be prince and princess and that Harry will want it too. I don't know about Meghan.. but I would imagine that she will agree.
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Old 09-19-2017, 06:20 AM
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Titles and Styles of Harry, his Future Wife and Children

Edward was 7th in line when he got married. Harry will be sixth in line when the Cambridges baby is born. Harry will go up 2 spots when the Queen and Charles die but then lose many spots as William's children start having their own kids.There is no big difference in there positions. The only reason Edward got a lesser title is they are giving him the Duke of Edinburgh title so that's not a title he can have until his parents pass.

Harry's children will be just as irrelevant to the monarchy are Beatrice and Eugenie are today. They are going to be the extra royals at the garden parties. George, Charlotte and Baby Cambridge plus any future siblings will be in the spotlight with Harry in the ignored by the press role that Edward has now.

If the York girls were Lady Beatrice and Lady Eugenie Mountbatten Windsor would and one care about how many vacation they take or what they do. Harry would have seen how much the media left alone Peter, Zara, James and Louise compared to himself,his brother and his York cousins.
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Old 09-19-2017, 06:25 AM
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I don't think that any of us can know what the Queen will or will not do when it comes to this issue or even guess what Harry and Meghan's thoughts on the issue are.

I'm just going to sit back and watch and see what happens if and when Harry and Meghan announce an engagement and watch the subsequent wedding. Logic tells me that all will become known the morning of the wedding as it did with William and Kate and their titles.
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Old 09-19-2017, 08:53 AM
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I disagree with the opinion that Harry and his kids will be insignificant as time goes on.

Think about it
When Queen Elizabeth passes away and King Charles reign there will be only two children of the monarch:
William-heir
Harry-spare
That's it. Therefore during the reign of King Charles the Cambridge kids are still going to be young (teenagers perhaps) to assume the duty as full time royals.
So Prince Harry and (Meghan) are going to have a much higher profile.

Secondly if William does become King in the next 20-25 years ( sorry I don't foresee a long reign for Charles), it is true that the Cambridge kids will dominate the media and tabloids. HOWEVER! I don't see William and Kate pushing them to assume the role of full time royals any sooner than they have to so again the only people close to the monarch who can do that is Harry and his Duchess!
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Old 09-19-2017, 09:24 AM
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How do any of us know what Harry is going to do in regard to his children? From the posts above you all sound as if you know beyond a shadow of a doubt what he will do. Come on!!

Personally I hope Harry wants them born with HRH if not just for the principal of things and the outrageous racism towards Meghan.
It is not a matter of what Harry wants. The current rule is that the children of the eldest living son of the Prince of Wales are the only great-grandchildren of the monarch who are born as HRHs. When Charles is king, Harry's children will be HRHs as grandchildren in male line of a sovereign of the United Kingdom. If, however, Charles never becomes king and the Crown passes directly to William, Harry's children will never be HRHs unless King William V changes the rules and gives them the dignity and style of princes of the United Kingdom.
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Old 09-19-2017, 09:32 AM
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Harry knows how all this works and the fate that awaits him. He said as much in an interview

"I feel there is just a smallish window when people are interested in me before [William’s children Prince George and Princess Charlotte] take over, and I’ve got to make the most of it,”

As Skippyboo said, Harry's children will be irrelevant to the monarchy other than for garden parties. Why burden them with royal titles just for the sake of it.
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Old 09-19-2017, 09:56 AM
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We don't know that at all. People may not be "interested" in Harry once he's a married man, but his children and his wife will certainly be noticed by the Press and public and be "goo gooed" over and he will be a working royal, supporting his father and brother. His children MAY be needed in the next generation, or they may not but royal titles are hardly a "burden"...

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I don't think that any of us can know what the Queen will or will not do when it comes to this issue or even guess what Harry and Meghan's thoughts on the issue are.

I'm just going to sit back and watch and see what happens if and when Harry and Meghan announce an engagement and watch the subsequent wedding. Logic tells me that all will become known the morning of the wedding as it did with William and Kate and their titles.
I think it is Very likely that Harry will get a title if and when he marries. Its not 100% certain that his children will be given the titles of Prince and HRH but I would say it is more likely than not.
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I think it is Very likely that Harry will get a title if and when he marries. Its not 100% certain that his children will be given the titles of Prince and HRH but I would say it is more likely than not.
As I said, if Harry's children are born in the current Queen's reign, I see no reason for HM to issue special LPs to give them a title, not least because they will already be HRHs when Charles in king. The real issue is the (unlikely) scenario where Charles never becomes king and then William has to make a decision on making Harry's children princes or not.
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Old 09-19-2017, 10:10 AM
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I think it is Very likely that Harry will get a title if and when he marries. Its not 100% certain that his children will be given the titles of Prince and HRH but I would say it is more likely than not.

As I've said before, if this doesn't happen, the press will be sure to make it into a slam against Meghan, regardless of any explanations the RF offers.
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Old 09-19-2017, 10:39 AM
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If Meghan really is this modern, 'women of the world' type we keep reading about, she may not want all the bells and whistles for her children, for her yes, she'll be a duchess but the kids can just be kids.
Its about the customs, culture and tradition of the family she will be marrying into. Nothing to do with being 'a woman of the world'. She loves Harry and if he does ask her to be his wife and she accepts, she will be under no illusion as to what that would entail. She will understand she isn't just marrying the man she loves, but everything else that goes with it, too. She will have made a choice to embrace the history and future of the path she has decided to follow in supporting her husband support the monarch and the institution.

Nothing to be ashamed of and no amount of patronising by others will change that.
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