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Old 05-11-2014, 03:47 AM
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(Edward) John Spencer, 8th Earl Spencer (1924-1992) was the father of Diana, Princess of Wales and Prince Henry's maternal grandfather.

Scenario:
Suppose Diana had been the only child of the 8th Earl Spencer.
Would Prince Harry have been able to become the new Earl Spencer upon his grandfather's demise?
Impossible. For the very simple reason that the dignities of Earl Spencer and Viscount Althorp are only heritable by the "heirs male of the body" of Lord John Spencer, 1st Earl of Spencer, Viscount of Althorp (1734-1783). And even when these dignities could be passed via Diana's body, even then it is impossible that Harry would become the new Earl Spencer because he has an older sibling before him.....

When Diana's father had no son, then the most close senior male line descendant would inherit these dignities.

Diana's father Lord Edward John Spencer, 8th Earl Spencer had no brother. So we have to go up to Diana's paternal grandfather Lord Albert Edward John Spencer, 7th Earl of Spencer. He had two brothers of which the youngest had issue. So the research first focuses on that youngest brother and his issue. If not succesful, then the search continues in the genealogical tree of the Spencer family by going to Diana's paternal great-grandfather, etc.

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Old 05-11-2014, 03:58 AM
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I cannot find a male, except Prince Phillip, who lived to 80 - King George V 70, King Edward VIII 77, Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester 74, King Edward VII 64, George VI 56.
Edward VII was 68 years old when he died.
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Old 05-11-2014, 04:29 AM
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When you look at the longevity of Charles' ancestors it should be noted that at the age of 65 he has only lived longer than 2 of his 14 immediate forebears - his two grandfathers.

Given the medial care available to many of these people in the 19th and 20th centuries compared to today it is clear that he has many long-lived genes coming into his make-up.

His 14 immediate ancestors:

1 over 100
1 into the 90s
5 into the 80s
3 into the 70s
3 into the 60s - one of whom was assassinated aged 69 and add himself to that set
1 into his 50s.

People who only look back as far as his grandfathers I think are ignoring lifestyle factors for these two men and the fact that so many earlier generations lived so much longer at a time when even wealthy people with access to the best of health care were dying from diseases that tend not to be such big killers today - e.g. his great-great-grandmother, Alice dying from diphtheria and his great-great-great-grandfather dying from typhoid (yes a killer in the third world still but not in the UK) so even some of his earlier progenitors who died relatively young died of diseases that wouldn't kill today.
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Old 05-28-2014, 04:16 AM
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I know he isn't perfect, but I would like to see Harry made Duke of Windsor at the time of his marriage. Windsor is the family name, and it is currently associated with such a negative event. It is a new age, and search engines are the way people do research. It is time for new info to pop up when researching Windsor, and specifically Duke of Windsor.
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Old 05-28-2014, 04:54 AM
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Won't happen - the title is simply too diseased within the family to be used for anyone other than another black sheep who runs away from his family responsibilities as did the first Duke of Windsor.
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Old 05-28-2014, 06:08 AM
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Yeah, you would think that people would be ready to accept a new duke of Windsor by now. But still, that's not the case. Edward VIII was the current queen's uncle, so even though more than seventy years have passed, it's still a sensitive subject. But when you consider that "Windsor" is the royal family's actual surname, it would be weird too to have just one of them be called "the duke of Windsor".
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Prince Henry could be given the title of The Duke of Connaught.
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Titles and Styles of Harry, his Future Wife and Children

Connaught is in Ireland so it probably won't be chosen.


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Old 07-10-2014, 10:23 PM
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Connaught is in the Republic of Ireland, so it would be hugely inappropriate for a British Royal to be created Duke of Connaught.
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Old 07-11-2014, 12:18 AM
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when Harry get married, will he choose the duke title by himself or it's the Queen herself that will give him the title? because I had read somewhere that William chose the title Duke of Cambridge by himself, so I think maybe Harry would do the same thing as well
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Old 07-11-2014, 12:53 AM
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The Queen and Harry will discuss the choice of title. The Queen won't dictate to Harry and he can't demand what he will have.

I imagine that The Queen will have a list of available dukedoms that have been used by royals in the past and could be used again (ruling out Windsor, Connaught, Albany and Cumberland due to the various reasons already discussed) and also ask him if he has any ideas for himself - as Edward did when he revived Wessex that hasn't been used for centuries - and then come up with a series of titles on which they can both agree.
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Old 07-11-2014, 03:00 AM
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It would be a nice combination when the Prince is created Duke of Clarence and holds residence in... Clarence House. After all it was once build for a Duke of Clarence (the later William IV).
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Old 07-11-2014, 07:15 AM
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The Queen and Harry will discuss the choice of title. The Queen won't dictate to Harry and he can't demand what he will have.

I imagine that The Queen will have a list of available dukedoms that have been used by royals in the past and could be used again (ruling out Windsor, Connaught, Albany and Cumberland due to the various reasons already discussed) and also ask him if he has any ideas for himself - as Edward did when he revived Wessex that hasn't been used for centuries - and then come up with a series of titles on which they can both agree.
thank you for the explanation.

so, does anyone knows which duke title that hasn't been used right now? I used to talk to my friends about this before, and she said since William's title is Duke of Cambridge, maybe Harry will have Duke of Oxford after he got married
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thank you for the explanation.

so, does anyone knows which duke title that hasn't been used right now? I used to talk to my friends about this before, and she said since William's title is Duke of Cambridge, maybe Harry will have Duke of Oxford after he got married
Sussex
Oxford is not is not available
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_of_Oxford_and_Asquith
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Old 07-11-2014, 11:23 AM
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David Walliams and Prince Harry's double act - Telegraph

Later, as the members of the Royal family were leaving the stage after the speeches, Walliams looked at Harry and wondered if he was missing something. “I mean your father has Wales, your brother has Cambridge – not as big, but still quite nice – but you don’t have anything… how about Croydon? Prince Harry of Croydon?”

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Old 07-11-2014, 11:39 AM
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Older royal dukedoms no longer in use:

Albemarle (there is an Earl of Albemarle)
Clarence & Avondale / Clarence & St Andrews (there is an Earl of St Andrews)
Connaught & Strathearn (there is an Earl of Strathearn)
Hereford
Ross
Sussex
Windsor

I have left out the disputed dukedoms (Albany, Cumberland & Teviotdale).
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Old 07-11-2014, 01:17 PM
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I liked the idea that Edward had of using an old "Kingdom" name; I also like the idea of something new. Here are a few more old "Kingdoms"

Mercia (Duke of Mercia sounds good)
Deira
Anglia
Lindsey
Strathclyde

Never happen tho'
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Old 07-11-2014, 01:48 PM
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ooops, thanks. just found out that there's is Earl of Oxford

I like Sussex and Ross. Btw, is that possible if Harry choose the duke title from one of the cities in Scotland/Wales? I mean, Edinburgh and Rothesay are in Scotland, right?
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I liked the idea that Edward had of using an old "Kingdom" name; I also like the idea of something new.
I don't; it seems like something out of Hollywood rather than a proper title- rather fake.
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I'm pretty sure the title chosen will be Sussex.. safely in England, and not subject to the vagaries of Nationalist referenda....
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