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Old 07-14-2010, 08:38 PM
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Thanks for the clarification of the "The" before their names.

I wondered about the Milford Haven name because I had noted the Marquis title.

What about Duke and Earl of Sussex?

And I still love the name Duke of Clarence and St. Andrews for William if for nothing else than the connection of St. Andrews with William/Kate.
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What about Duke and Earl of Sussex?
There is no Earl of Sussex.
Duke of Sussex was last conferred on the sixth son of George III, and when he died in 1843 with no legitimate issue, the title became extinct.
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...And I still love the name Duke of Clarence and St. Andrews for William if for nothing else than the connection of St. Andrews with William/Kate.
There is already an Earl of St. Andrews, its one of the Duke of Kent's courtacy titles, his son is known by it.
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Old 07-15-2010, 01:07 PM
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There is already an Earl of St. Andrews, its one of the Duke of Kent's courtacy titles, his son is known by it.
The poster didn't mention anything about the Earl of St Andrews. There is no Duke of St Andrews, and the connection to William, it would suit him. Just as NacyJJ said.
I would not be surprised if William was created Duke of Clarence and St Andrews.
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Old 07-16-2010, 02:48 AM
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I've always had an inkling that Prince William will be Duke of Cambridge as the previous Duke of Clarence has such a sad story attached.
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Old 07-16-2010, 03:45 AM
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Another thing to suggest the opposite is that the last King William - William IV - had been Duke of Clarence before becoming King.
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There is no Earl of Sussex.
Duke of Sussex was last conferred on the sixth son of George III, and when he died in 1843 with no legitimate issue, the title became extinct.
I've always thought this would be a possibility for Prince Harry.
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Old 07-17-2010, 07:12 AM
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Henry, Duke of Sussex would be a good title.
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I Agree Duke of Sussex Viscount Cardiff Baron of Glascow
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There is no Earl of Sussex.
It appears that the Earl of Sussex is not in use at the moment.
Earls of Sussex, Peerage of the United Kingdom (1874)

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Old 07-17-2010, 03:16 PM
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^^^^^
And yes, i've just found that out.

There is already a Earl of Glasgow, would they create a baron for the same area?

Also the title Duke of Sussex, already has subsiduary titles, don't see why they'd be changed.
They are Earl of Inverness, and Baron Arklow.
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Prince Andrew is Duke of York, Earl of Inverness, and Baron Killyleagh

Dukes of Albany, eighth Creation (1881)

Other titles: Earl of Clarence and Baron Arklow (1881) So I believe that Baron Arklow is suspended with the Duke of Albany title.
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Well if Baron Arklow was moved from the Duke of Sussex title, it can be moved back, can't it?
Hasn't Henry trained somewhere in Wales, I know William is in Anglessy at the moment.
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Old 07-17-2010, 09:39 PM
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The Earl of Inverness is taken as it is Andrew's second title and would become the courtesy title of any son (should Andrew remarry and have a son).
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Actually there is no guarantee he will be Prince Of Wales I think Prince Of Wales is created but it is still a requirement in a sense for his future as England's King.
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Old 07-18-2010, 04:20 AM
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Actually there is no guarantee he will be Prince Of Wales I think Prince Of Wales is created but it is still a requirement in a sense for his future as England's King.

When Charles becomes King William will automatically be Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothsay etc.

At some time after than Charles might create William Prince of Wales.

Charles himself became Duke of Cornwall instantly his mother became Queen in 1952 but it was another 6 years before she created him Prince of Wales. He was invested another 11 years later.

Edward VII waited until November 1901 to create his eldest surviving son Prince of Wales although from the instant Queen Victoria died he had been Duke of Cornwall and York, Duke of Rothesay etc.

The Prince of Wales title is a created title and therefore there is no guarantee that it will be given to William, particularly if there is a large swell against it in Wales. Conversely if there is a large call for it then it will happen.
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Old 07-18-2010, 10:29 AM
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William can use the courtesy title at that point.
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William can use the courtesy title at that point.

What courtesy title?

When his father becomes King he will have substantive titles and no need to use courtesy titles.

The only courtesy title he could use at the moment is Baron Greenwich - the third of Philip's titles as no one can use any of the Duke of Cornwall and Rothesay's titles or the title Earl of Chester except the holder as they are used by that holder at times e.g. The Prince of Wales uses Duke of Cornwall himself in Cornwall and Duke of Rothesay in Scotland and even Earl of Chester when in Chester.
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HRH Prince William of Wales, Baron Greenwich, does sound odd.

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The only courtesy title he could use at the moment is Baron Greenwich - .
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HRH Prince William of Wales, Baron Greenwich, does sound odd.

If he was using Baron Greenwich he wouldn't also use HRH Prince William of Wales. The very fact that he is HRH Prince William of Wales is the reason that he doesn't use Baron Greenwich but that is the only courtesy title he could use (and that was my point - that there is only one he can ue but he doesn't because he has a title in his own right).
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