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What would they call her Princess William of Wales??? would he get some other title upon marriage that she could be called something else ....this most likey has another thread some where right? No dumb questions....any one
if i'm not mistaken, and i hope the experts will correct if i am, a) the women that have married HM son's are all princess charles, princess andrew and princess edward. b) diana should have always been referred to as diana, princess of wales and not princess diana. c) if william marries before he becomes prince of wales, no doubt he will become a duke and catherine will be then be referred to as duchess. d) if/when william becomes prince of wales, catherine will then be catherine, princess of wales. experts...how did i do?
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She would be HRH Princess William of Wales if she marries him during his grandmother's lifetime and would be officially known as such unless William gets a substantive title. On Charles's accession she would become Duchess of Cornwall and soon after Princess of Wales. Although I'm afraid Mermaid is right - she is most likely going to be "Princess Kate"

Diana was HRH The Princess Charles [his other names], Princess of Wales, Duchess of Cornwall [other titles] - shortly, HRH The Princess of Wales - during her marriage. She was Diana, Princess of Wales only after her divorce Anyway, you are right: she was never, never, never Princess Diana.
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I hope she stays Miss Kate Middleton....
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Old 01-15-2009, 06:45 PM
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Diana was HRH The Princess Charles [his other names], Princess of Wales, Duchess of Cornwall [other titles] - shortly, HRH The Princess of Wales - during her marriage. She was Diana, Princess of Wales only after her divorce Anyway, you are right: she was never, never, never Princess Diana.
This is all very fascinating to me, the uses and (mis)uses of a royal's titles and styles. Can anyone recommend a good history book to brush up on these things?
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Diana wasn't Diana, Princess of Wales until after her divorce. After she married The Prince of Wales, she was The Princess of Wales, Duchess of Cornwall, Countess of Chester, etc. etc. I think that she was probably popularly called "Princess Diana" because she had been known up to that point as Lady Diana, and it seemed strange not to use her first name at all. Even "The Princess of Wales" seemed strange to me at first, because there hadn't been one since Queen Mary was The Princess of Wales!

My grandmother, who was born in 1890, always referred to Diana as The Princess of Wales.

If Kate marries William, and he doesn't receive another title, she'll be officially Princess William of Wales until she becomes The Princess of Wales. Her first name won't be used again officially until she becomes Queen Catherine.

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if i'm not mistaken, and i hope the experts will correct if i am, a) the women that have married HM son's are all princess charles, princess andrew and princess edward. b) diana should have always been referred to as diana, princess of wales and not princess diana. c) if william marries before he becomes prince of wales, no doubt he will become a duke and catherine will be then be referred to as duchess. d) if/when william becomes prince of wales, catherine will then be catherine, princess of wales. experts...how did i do?
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:03 PM
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Small correction - she would be Princess William of Wales until she become Duchess of Cornwall. There is no guarantee that she would ever become The Princess of Wales as that title has to be created for William whereas he inherits the Duke of Cornwall etc titles instantly his grandmother dies and his father becomes King.
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I'd imagine the press would probably still call her Princess Kate, right? I don't know why but HRH Princess William of Wales sounds odd to me guess I'll just have to get used to it if it happens.
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I'd imagine the press would probably still call her Princess Kate, right? I don't know why but HRH Princess William of Wales sounds odd to me guess I'll just have to get used to it if it happens.
More likely that they'll call her The Duchess of Whatever (yes, I'm sure that will be the actual title), as The Queen will almost undoubtedly grant William a dukedom when he marries. (Cambridge is my favorite choice, too, because of Diana and the Cambridge emeralds she wore so frequently.)

The press never called Sarah, Duchess of York "Princess Fergie," did they? I can't recall. They incorrectly called Diana "Princess Diana," but at least "Princess" was a part of her most-used title.
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Ah yes, a small point that I forgot about. Thanks for the clarification.
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Small correction - she would be Princess William of Wales until she become Duchess of Cornwall. There is no guarantee that she would ever become The Princess of Wales as that title has to be created for William whereas he inherits the Duke of Cornwall etc titles instantly his grandmother dies and his father becomes King.
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That's true. Sarah never got Princess Fergie or Princess Sarah. I've seen her called "Lady Sarah Ferguson", though...by writers who obviously didn't bother checking.

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More likely that they'll call her The Duchess of Whatever (yes, I'm sure that will be the actual title), as The Queen will almost undoubtedly grant William a dukedom when he marries. (Cambridge is my favorite choice, too, because of Diana and the Cambridge emeralds she wore so frequently.)

The press never called Sarah, Duchess of York "Princess Fergie," did they? I can't recall. They incorrectly called Diana "Princess Diana," but at least "Princess" was a part of her most-used title.
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"Princess Michael of Kent" probably sounded strange at first as well. I expect she'd be referred to as Princess Kate by ordinary, everyday folks.

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I'd imagine the press would probably still call her Princess Kate, right? I don't know why but HRH Princess William of Wales sounds odd to me guess I'll just have to get used to it if it happens.
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Old 01-15-2009, 11:36 PM
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"Princess Michael of Kent" probably sounded strange at first as well. I expect she'd be referred to as Princess Kate by ordinary, everyday folks.
Ya, well I know I'll be calling her Princess Kate if she marries William

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More likely that they'll call her The Duchess of Whatever (yes, I'm sure that will be the actual title), as The Queen will almost undoubtedly grant William a dukedom when he marries. (Cambridge is my favorite choice, too, because of Diana and the Cambridge emeralds she wore so frequently.)

The press never called Sarah, Duchess of York "Princess Fergie," did they? I can't recall. They incorrectly called Diana "Princess Diana," but at least "Princess" was a part of her most-used title.
You've got a point I forgot about Fergie, I've always called her The Duchess of York, never Princess Fergie, guess it just stuck better
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I don't understand why would you call her Princess Kate when she is actually Princess William or The Princess of Wales Would you call Prince Michael's wife Princess Marie-Christine? That would be odd. Using husband's name for married women is a British tradition and monarchy is all about tradition. Making difference between princesses of blood royal and princesses by marriage seems so natural to me that I can't get used to "Princess Marie of Denmark"
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I think William & Harry's wives titles Princess and their children titles Prince or Princess
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Actually, Prince Henry's children and all of Prince William's children except for his eldest son will be lords and ladies if they are born during Her Present Majesty's reign. They would all become princes and princesses when the Prince of Wales ascends the throne It's interesting that Henry's children would never become princes and princesses if his father dies before his grandmother.
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"Princess Michael of Kent" probably sounded strange at first as well.
Just as with "Princess Richard of Gloucester", before she became the Duchess.
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Diana was never "Princess Charles" only HRH the Princess of Wales as the wife of the Prince of Wales. The style "Princess Husband's Name" is only appropriate if married to a prince of the UK who holds no other peerage or title.
[edit] Titles and styles
  • The Honourable Diana Frances Spencer, 1 July 1961 – 9 June 1975
  • The Lady Diana Frances Spencer, 9 June 1975 – 29 July 1981
  • Her Royal Highness The Princess of Wales, 29 July 1981 – 28 August 1996
  • Diana, Princess of Wales, 28 August 1996 – 31 August 1997
Posthumously, as in life, she is most popularly referred to as "Princess Diana", a title she never held.[N 4] Still, she is sometimes referred to (according to the tradition of using maiden names after death) in the media as "Lady Diana Spencer", or simply as "Lady Di". After Tony Blair's famous speech she is also often referred to as the People's Princess.[76]
Diana's full style, while married, was Her Royal Highness The Princess Charles Philip Arthur George, Princess of Wales and Countess of Chester, Duchess of Cornwall, Duchess of Rothesay, Countess of Carrick, Baroness of Renfrew, Lady of the Isles, Princess of Scotland.[77]
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I don't understand why would you call her Princess Kate when she is actually Princess William or The Princess of Wales Would you call Prince Michael's wife Princess Marie-Christine? That would be odd. Using husband's name for married women is a British tradition and monarchy is all about tradition. Making difference between princesses of blood royal and princesses by marriage seems so natural to me that I can't get used to "Princess Marie of Denmark"
Don't know if that was directly for me but I imagine the press would also call her that considering they usually called Diana, Princess Diana. I remember in a few reports they called her Princess of Wales but not many from what I can recall. I personally don't think I'd be able to call her Princess William that'd be too weird for me sounds odd, if she were to take Princess of Wales then I could see me calling her that.
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^So she would be Catherine, Princess of Wales. I'm sure everyone would call her Princess Catharine (or dreadfully, Princess Kate), even if its not correct. But I've always hated the tradition of calling a woman by her husbands title i.e. Princess Michael of Kent. Princess Marie-Christine of Kent would sound so much prettier!
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