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Old 12-21-2006, 03:53 AM
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I see that this debate provoke passionate discussions.

As regards the expectations for a Princess of Wales, It is true that Diana did a wonderful charity job, and this mainly because it was due to her caracter, full of love, abnegation and willing to give. On the other side, we should not forget the "other" Diana, loving the limelights, the social night life, spending enormeous amounts in shopping, clothing, good life etc. going to Harrods once per week especially for her and her shopping. This is not a personnal attack, I respect Diana and I was very sad, but I mean, do not all try to make a "Princess of Wales profil" according to Diana's last years...

Princess of Wales for me its a decorative rich person, spending millions to appear, and thats all. It will be nice if she has class, and if she tries to keep a quite low profile, but in any case, she is out of our reality, she is rich, famous, and she does not really know the real life.
In our days, Kings & Queens are not really ruling, and do not face real national tragedies to prove their caracter.
For me the last royal person in England who showed exceptionnal qualities, was the Queen Mother, during the WWII she stayed with her people, in the bombarded London. This was great. But after her, all the other what they did? Going by Rolls Roys to visit a Hospital for five minutes, its nice but it does not really bring you closer to the poverty.
So why we should expect from Kate to do something better than all the previous in this role? And especially BEFORE she becomes a Princess?? How we can know what she will DO? And what William and Harry really are doing? OK, they are officers, the Big Deal...., but out of this? They are rich spoiled young boyr, like every rich young people, not less not more.

Before accusing Kate please see in what she is different from the class she may enter.
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Old 12-21-2006, 06:01 AM
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This is not a personnal attack, I respect Diana and I was very sad, but I mean, do not all try to make a "Princess of Wales profil" according to Diana's last years...
Bravo. Excellent take. And so much nicer than mine.
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Old 12-21-2006, 06:39 AM
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And what William and Harry really are doing? OK, they are officers, the Big Deal...., but out of this? They are rich spoiled young boyr, like every rich young people, not less not more.
OK they were born rich. They were born to be spoiled. They were born royal. They were not born Officers! They, like all their fellow Sandhurst Cadets, worked their asses off for their commission! They earned it!

Trying to vindicate Kate by trashing William and Harry is self defeating. They are all better than that.
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Old 12-21-2006, 06:42 AM
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...The working class hero song is tiresome. For those of us who were answering the bell before those who are screaming at Kate about a job were even born, working is not all it's cracked up to be. If Kate's parents make enough to keep her in style so she doesn't have to work, I'm all for it. I'm all for ANYONE who doesn't have to do 9 to 5. I count the SECONDS until I can retire.
I love your posts!

I can't understand for the life of me, why anyone would choose to work if they didn't have to? Why do these 'workers' seem to think that those of us that don't work, just do absolutely nothing, why the presumption that we sit about all day, watch soaps, etc.

As for being 'working' being character building, reading some of the vitriol writen on here about the imagined life of this young woman, I have to wonder what sort of character some of the members want her to have.
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Old 12-21-2006, 06:49 AM
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For me the last royal person in England who showed exceptionnal qualities, was the Queen Mother, during the WWII she stayed with her people, in the bombarded London.
While I accept that the QM was an exceptional woman, I would point out that she did not have to endure the same amount of rationing that the rest of the nation did, she still lived in relative warmth and luxury during the war years.
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Old 12-21-2006, 10:12 AM
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Kate is free not to work if she doesn't have to or want to and if she wasn't dating PW no one would notice or care. But while some either don't care or have an opinion whether or not she works, some of us do care and were disappointed by her idle lifestyle for so long. That's just my opinion and I will not change it. It is an indicator, in my opinion, of self motivation and whether or not she will also be hard-working as a royal wife. The Queen Mother and Camilla are from a different time and were not expected or even allowed to work outside of the home.

Also, I did not say Kate was "ugly" although I think she is plain. I said her scowling made her ugly, not necessarily in a physical way but as far as her personality goes, in my opinion, which I'm entitled to. Btw, there are several pictures of her scowling this past year and in 2005 as seen in this Fotobank photo: http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?i...tobank3nr8.jpg and I have several more but it's not necessary to post them. I have noticed in the last several weeks that she has looked a little more gracious, though.

And the privacy issue: I maintain that while she is out and about that she does not have the right not to be photographed. Because she is dating a future King of England this is the way it is. This was accepted graciously by Mary Donaldson, Mette-Marit and Sophie Wessex while they were going out with CP Frederik, CP Haakon and Prince Edward respectively. And I do feel that Kate has been ungracious just by looking at photographs of her, which is all we have to go on at this time. It is just an unattractive quality, in my opinion.
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Old 12-21-2006, 12:37 PM
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Ah but there's a difference. There's nothing there for Kate. She gives nothing out, no personality, no flair, she sulks, she's boring and she's painfully dull. All I see her do is shop and sulk and okay so that's not all she does - but if it's not all she does, why don't we see her doing anything else?! Why can't we see her cycling or swimming or writing an article or painting a picture or something productive. I've nothing against the idle rich, I was a member for a while, but even then I actually did things. Kate doesn't seem to do anything. She doesn't have to do charity work but give us an interest.

Camilla may not have been seen working but we knew about her. We knew she was a hard worker for causes she'd taken upon herself. We knew that she went to country fetes and we knew that she cooked and we knew that she generally lived. If Kate wants be unemployed, fine but she should be doing something to make her a little more interesting.
I actually agree completely with your post. So far, Kate seems to be quite a boring individual. There doesn't seem to be any substance to her. I'm not overly keen on Chelsy either, but at least the girl has some personality.
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Old 12-21-2006, 12:59 PM
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I think EVERY PERSON deserves privacy. That is why we put curtains in our windows. I would ask you if you dont deserve privacy¿ would you like havin your neihors checkin out every move you make¿ The truth is that like her or not she sells papers, so the press is on her. And despite I participated in the discussion I remember all this is a thread for events, not discussions on Kate´s whatever we feel like to discuss
Every person has a right to privacy, but a person's actions can imo, diminish that right. Dating a celebrity or public figure, like William, is one such example because Kate has become a public figure by association.
She can't have her cake and eat it, if she wants privacy she shouldn't date the future king of England.
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Old 12-21-2006, 01:22 PM
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Every person has a right to privacy, but a person's actions can imo, diminish that right. Dating a celebrity or public figure, like William, is one such example because Kate has become a public figure by association.
She can't have her cake and eat it, if she wants privacy she shouldn't date the future king of England.
Sorry, I don't buy that argument.

If Kate does something press worthy in public or she gets engaged to Wills and willingly assumes the public role of the next Princess of Wales then yes she sacrifices some of her privacy but the mere act of dating the next King of England?

I think absolutely not. If everybody who William dates becomes fresh meat for the tabloids then that decreases his chances of finding a nice girl to settle down with. Putting roadblocks in the way of an heir to the throne finding his lifetime mate is no way to sustain a monarchy.

We've been down that road before with Charles and his girlfriends in the 70s and then Charles and Diana's hurried up engagement to give her some sort of protection against the press in the early 80s. And we all know how that ended. With the two battling it out in the press and Diana's being killed in a high speed chase by the papparazzi looking for a $1million picture.

Given this history and the papparazzi's careless disregard for public safety much less dignity, the press must be kept at arms length this time.

Anything other than that is bad for William, bad for Kate, and bad for the continuation and success of the monarchy and I applaud William and Kate acting sensibly towards the press.
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Old 12-21-2006, 05:13 PM
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The Queen Mother and Camilla are from a different time and were not expected or even allowed to work outside of the home.
Well we known I disagree with everything else you have written so I will save some time and cut to the chase!

While I agree that 'most' women from an upper class background had the option not to work back in the Queen Mothers day, in fact as you say most from that background were only expected to run the house and perhaps organise someone to organise a charity event.

Most upper class women from Camilla's time were certainly allowed to work if they wanted. They were expected to stay at home, bring up the children (even though most employed a nanny) and look after the house (even though most employed housekeepers, housemaids, servants etc), much the same as now.
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Old 12-21-2006, 08:29 PM
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Kate is free not to work if she doesn't have to or want to and if she wasn't dating PW no one would notice or care. But while some either don't care or have an opinion whether or not she works, some of us do care and were disappointed by her idle lifestyle for so long.
i just don't understand why you think she has an idle lifestyle. is it because you've seen photos of her walking down the street? are all the millions of people walking down the streets of the world living an idle lifestyle? is it because you haven't seen photos of her doing any charity work? is every person in the world that isn't doing charity work living an idle lifestyle?

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Btw, there are several pictures of her scowling this past year and in 2005 as seen in this Fotobank photo: http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?i...tobank3nr8.jpg and I have several more but it's not necessary to post them. I have noticed in the last several weeks that she has looked a little more gracious, though.
this isn't a scowl...she's just looking at the camera - not smiling, not scowling no doing anything.

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And the privacy issue: I maintain that while she is out and about that she does not have the right not to be photographed. Because she is dating a future King of England this is the way it is.
you might want to check the law on the privacy thing but if you're in a public place (i.e. walking down the street, in a park, in a public building) then anyone can take your picture...privacy doesn't apply. i'm sure it would be the same in the UK.
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We all have a right to privacy, yet when you turn into a media commodity that right is greatly overlooked. I don't condone it but that is the way we make it.
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Old 12-22-2006, 06:58 AM
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If Kate does something press worthy in public or she gets engaged to Wills and willingly assumes the public role of the next Princess of Wales then yes she sacrifices some of her privacy but the mere act of dating the next King of England?
We just had a court ruling that even the heir to the throne himself, albeit a person of public interest, has a right to his privacy according to the Human Rights. So if HRH The Prince of Wales has that right - how much more must this be valid for a young lady who is not even a member of the RF but just dating one?

Compared to other countries the British laws protecting privacy are pretty lax. As even them state that a right to privacy is part of the Human Rights, I don't think anyone should start arguing about this fact.
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Old 12-22-2006, 07:13 AM
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I can't work out if she is winning or losing. I am starting to think, for some, nobody can meet their expectations.
If she smiles for the camera, she is 'courting the press' and should go because she is a publicity seeker. If she doesn't smile for them, she is sulky and totally unsuitable to have as a princess.

IMO, because she will not 'pander' to the press, they are picking (as they have done before), the most unflattering pictures they can. The 'we can make you a star syndrome' that worked for them in the past.

The main thing in Catherines favour, is that she loves William and he loves her, his parents like and include her, his grandparents like her, her parents like him and there is nothing anyone can do about that!

What should we expect, total discretion, silence and loyalty to William and his family, to me, she is meeting that criteria!
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Old 12-22-2006, 11:15 AM
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While I accept that the QM was an exceptional woman, I would point out that she did not have to endure the same amount of rationing that the rest of the nation did, she still lived in relative warmth and luxury during the war years.
You are absolutely right.
But at the end of the day, if you receive a bomb, luxury or not, where is the difference??
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Old 12-22-2006, 11:34 AM
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I think some people want to project their own thoughts and feelings of a fairytale princess on Kate and get resentful when she doesn't provide them with the right raw material to fulfill their fantasies. Its natural for people to project their own hopes and dreams on celebrities, not just future princesses but I think it becomes unreasonable when people get angry at that celebrity for not fulfilling their fantasies. Kate has her own identity that is quite separate from her public image and that is how it should be.

If Kate and William's whole reason for existence is to act as fodder and raw material for tabloid stories, then their effectiveness as future monarchs is greatly diminished.
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I wonder if and if so, how many of those people who critizise Kate for her leg-pictures are fans of the late Diana?
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I wonder if and if so, how many of those people who critizise Kate for her leg-pictures are fans of the late Diana?
Ah, let's not go there and just say that we did!

Kate has enough trouble being compared to Diana.
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You are absolutely right.
But at the end of the day, if you receive a bomb, luxury or not, where is the difference??
I think it makes a difference if you are in the very substantial, reinforced cellars, that are within a fortified palace, compared to a brick built terraced house or sheltering in an anderson shelter in the garden.
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I think some people want to project their own thoughts and feelings of a fairytale princess on Kate and get resentful when she doesn't provide them with the right raw material to fulfill their fantasies. Its natural for people to project their own hopes and dreams on celebrities, not just future princesses but I think it becomes unreasonable when people get angry at that celebrity for not fulfilling their fantasies. Kate has her own identity that is quite separate from her public image and that is how it should be.

If Kate and William's whole reason for existence is to act as fodder and raw material for tabloid stories, then their effectiveness as future monarchs is greatly diminished.
It worries me that some people seem to still want the fairytale. I had hoped that the public would have learnt from recent history, but maybe not.
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