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Old 11-21-2006, 01:53 PM
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Well no, it's just that if you're saying she's being forced upon all Americans it isn't really true because she isn't. If you're saying she's being forced upon all Britons then that is true - IMO. It isn't personal or because you're American. You're entitled to your opinions which you express extremely well but the problem is that she won't be your Queen Consort and so to say she's being forced upon "us all" raises some questions with people about who exactly she's being forced upon and how true that would be.
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Old 11-21-2006, 02:16 PM
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Well no, it's just that if you're saying she's being forced upon all Americans it isn't really true because she isn't. If you're saying she's being forced upon all Britons then that is true - IMO.
You're right in your interpretation of my question, Beatrixfan. I was simply wondering why someone without a British passport should feel that Kate is forced upon other people than the British.

If William marries Kate and if he becomes king, then the British public will have to accept that a picture of Kate is going to hang in most offices in the UK. They will see her driving in cars they pay for and they will see her wear jewelery that is national heritage. They will see her called "Your Majesty" and have to accept that. They will probably hear the priest in their CoE-service ask for the Lord's protection for Kate and William... If someone doesn't like her, that is hard to stomach. So I can understand Beatrixfans sentiments.

While citizens of other countries can simply be interested in Kate, whether they like her or not and go on with their normal life. I doubt one sees many drugstores in the US where pics of William and Kate are on display. Same here in my homecountry. While I know lots and lots of shops and pubs in the UK who have pics of the Royal family on their walls and people still feel they should reverence their past which is impersonated by the RF. Then of course they will wish for memebers of the said family they can feel positive about.
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Old 11-21-2006, 02:40 PM
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Jo, I consider you to be still referring to my nationality as if being an American makes me not able to participate in the way I want to on The Royal Forums message board. What, are Americans not welcome here??? Are we not allowed to make comments in the British Forum??? I've already been called a Yank! I haven't used any derogatory language towards anyone.
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Old 11-21-2006, 02:49 PM
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Jo, I consider you to be still referring to my nationality as if being an American makes me not able to participate in the way I want to on The Royal Forums message board. What, are Americans not welcome here??? Are we not allowed to make comments in the British Forum??? I've already been called a Yank! I haven't used any derogatory language towards anyone.
I am sure Jo (or anyone else) didn't mean to offend you in any way, nor did they mean to offend you as American.
People from all countries are equally welcome to express their opinions and their point of views are euqally valued.

What Jo meant to say is that only the British people should and can accept (or not accept) Kate Middleton (or anyone else) as Prince William's possible bride. People of other nationalities (including me and you) can have their opinion of her, of course, but it's up to the British how they will receive her at the end of the day.
Basically everyone who posted here are greatly interested in the British Royal Family, most are really attached to it and feel like it's 'their' Royal Family as well. As Armenian, I am in no way subject of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, however I have immense respect and love for the Royal Family. But as non-british, I don't think my opinion matters, when it comes to such issues. I can have my private view or opinion, but what (mainly) matters is the opinion of the British People.
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Old 11-21-2006, 03:05 PM
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Edit: Yipes! I didn't realize I was replying to something way back on the first page.

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Old 11-21-2006, 04:34 PM
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lol............ kate jobless she must have tons of money like bill gates
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Old 11-21-2006, 05:37 PM
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What Jo meant to say is that only the British people should and can accept (or not accept) Kate Middleton (or anyone else) as Prince William's possible bride. People of other nationalities (including me and you) can have their opinion of her, of course, but it's up to the British how they will receive her at the end of the day.
Basically everyone who posted here are greatly interested in the British Royal Family, most are really attached to it and feel like it's 'their' Royal Family as well. As Armenian, I am in no way subject of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, however I have immense respect and love for the Royal Family. But as non-british, I don't think my opinion matters, when it comes to such issues. I can have my private view or opinion, but what (mainly) matters is the opinion of the British People.
I couldn't have said it any better. Thanks, Avalon.
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Old 11-21-2006, 05:41 PM
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Everyone is entitiled to voice their opinion, all anyone asks is that it is not passed off as fact.
I second that. All I ask of the "right honorable members" (to quote the British Parliament) is that they make a difference between proven facts, rumours, innuendos and the mere voicing of opinions. It helps us all and garantees the fun we all have here discussing our favorite topic.
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Old 11-21-2006, 05:48 PM
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Maybe you don't have a problem with her doing absolutely nothing but some people do have a problem with it. She is being pushed down our throats as the perfect future queen of england. To say that no one is going to scrutinize her is so naive. She is dating Prince William of Wales! She's gotten a free ride so far and there's nothing wrong with saying that some of us do not want this "socialite" as princess, duchess or queen. We are entitled to our opinion!

And this business with calling her Catherine all of a sudden. She's the one who re-made herself into Kate at SA to be popular and cool and make friends. Now since she's being forced upon us all as future queen we have to endure the new reinvention of her back into Catherine? How convenient and manipulative!
catherine may be getting a huge amount of media attention but no one is under any obligation to buy or read any of it so it i never understand it when people say that someone is being "pushed down our throats". as for her getting a free ride, unless any of us have first hand knowledge of who pays her way then we can't make a statement like that.
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Old 11-21-2006, 05:59 PM
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i have a question and it may or may not be in the right thread but i'll put it out there because it's been mentioned here - here goes:

it was talked about in the book i just finished reading about the duchess of windsor that when the prince of wales wanted to propse to her one of the obstacles was that other commonwealth countries had to agree (i may have misunderstood) so if this true then william's wanting to marry catherine would also have to be approved by other commonwealth countries too?
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Old 11-21-2006, 06:02 PM
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No. Just the Queen. What obstacle do you mean exactly Duchess? Was it title related?
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Old 11-21-2006, 06:10 PM
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Not to get totally off topic...but I do recall with the Duchess of Windsor...the Commonwealth didn't approve of the marriage...and I believe that the Prime Minister and his cabinet threatened to resign if Edward VIII married Wallis...so maybe that's what the Duchess means. Also, it didn't help that George V and Queen Mary didn't like Wallis as well...the times being what they were. Divorced woman and all that. And was that the situation with Princess Margaret as well? I believe the Queen was hesitant to give her approval because the Cabinet threatened to resign?

I wouldn't imagine that the Commonwealth or the Cabinet (as they exist today) wouldn't agree to a marriage between William and Kate...unless of course..the Commonwealth's rules/Consitution are different from 1936? Is that the case? Or its still just the Queen who has the final authority/approval.
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Old 11-21-2006, 06:17 PM
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Not to get totally off topic...but I do recall with the Duchess of Windsor...the Commonwealth didn't approve of the marriage...and I believe that the Prime Minister and his cabinet threatened to resign if Edward VIII married Wallis...so maybe that's what the Duchess means. Also, it didn't help that George V and Queen Mary didn't like Wallis as well...the times being what they were. Divorced woman and all that. And was that the situation with Princess Margaret as well? I believe the Queen was hesitant to give her approval because the Cabinet threatened to resign?

I wouldn't imagine that the Commonwealth or the Cabinet (as they exist today) wouldn't agree to a marriage between William and Kate...unless of course..the Commonwealth's rules/Consitution are different from 1936? Is that the case? Or its still just the Queen who has the final authority/approval.
yes yes that was it! thanks zonk.
so the reason i posted the question was because if this is the case, and commonwealth countries can do this, don't these countries have an interest, perhaps not equal to the UK- in the who the future consort is and not just the UK?
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Old 11-21-2006, 06:18 PM
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Well, the Commonwealth leaders will be consulted but their permission isn't needed. Only the Queen has to give her approval which she does after consulting all the Commonwealth leaders - so they get asked for their opinion but they don't give a deciding vote as it were.
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Old 11-21-2006, 06:25 PM
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ok i understand now. thanks for the info!
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Old 11-21-2006, 06:28 PM
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Kate and William do not need the Commonwealth permission, I doubt that they would even give much of an opinion unless there was something in her past that would make it a huge problem in one of those countries.

Durning the abdication crisis the commonwealth prime ministers were given three options (along with the British gov't) 1. They marry (becoming King and Queen) 2. They marry (she doesn't become Queen) 3. They marry, he abdicates. All but one (Ireland, which was still in the commonwealth) favoured the 3 option. They all then need to agree to the Act of abdication.

The only way that Kate and William would have to go to the commonwealth if there was some need for legislation, which there isn't so it won't be a problem.
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Old 11-21-2006, 06:30 PM
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Although we now know that the Commonwealth countries were fed info that just wasn't true and made their decision on that info. Had they been honest, Wallis would have been Queen.
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Likewise photographs of Camilla in her role of country wife and mother were also 'something'. Wellies, headscarfs, children, who cares. She had a life before marrying the POW.
Camilla being a country wife and mother was totally a job. Marriage and kids are every bit "jobs" as anything else. Especially when it's Camilla you're talking about. I just love Camilla. She is so cool. That woman has style! I truly hope the sons of Charles will find, if they don't have already, their Camilla-esque soulmates: women who will stick by them through it all, be their #1 fans, love them "as easy as falling off a chair, darling!"
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Old 11-22-2006, 02:37 AM
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Camilla being a country wife and mother was totally a job. Marriage and kids are every bit "jobs" as anything else. Especially when it's Camilla you're talking about. I just love Camilla. She is so cool. That woman has style! I truly hope the sons of Charles will find, if they don't have already, their Camilla-esque soulmates: women who will stick by them through it all, be their #1 fans, love them "as easy as falling off a chair, darling!"
I hear you. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Pax.
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Old 11-22-2006, 02:55 AM
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I agree that Charles and Camilla seem perfect for each other. I just feel bad that they had to wait so long to be together and the way they went about it it was totally wrong. We are human and make mistakes. We all have to deal with personally, but the poor people have deal with it in public as well.
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