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View Poll Results: What Title will the Queen bestow on William and Catherine?
Duke of Clarence 25 16.45%
Duke of Cambridge 68 44.74%
Duke of Sussex 5 3.29%
Duke of Windsor 8 5.26%
Duke of Kendall 2 1.32%
Earl of Something 8 5.26%
Hey! My choice isn't listed. I think it will be something else. 10 6.58%
Nothing. I think they will remain Prince and Princess William of Wales 26 17.11%
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Old 04-28-2011, 10:15 AM
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Has anyone thought about the idea that the queen could create a Welsh title for William with a reminder to all firstborn sons (or heirs apparent) of a Prince of Wales? I thought about it when I read that two Welsh hymns will be sung at the wedding service - obviously William and Catherine really love Wales and maybe this is a historic chance to give the Welsh the feeling that the Prince of Wales is really "their" prince and not longer the title of the victorious invader's monarch's heir.
This is a very good idea! Are there any free ducal titles linked with wales left?
Or could the Queen create a specific title in the way that The Dukedom of Windsor was created at the time it was needed?
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Old 04-28-2011, 10:56 AM
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Royal Wedding Schedule: Prince William and Kate Middleton's Wedding Day - ABC News

3:00 a.m. - 4:00 a.m. -- The morning of April 29 will start with an announcement from the Queen's office stating the titles that Prince William and Kate Middleton will take.
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Old 04-28-2011, 10:59 AM
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NBC this morning, called her Princess Catharine..
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:00 AM
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NBC this morning, called her Princess Catharine..

And so it begins...lol
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:43 AM
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Royal Wedding Schedule: Prince William and Kate Middleton's Wedding Day - ABC News

3:00 a.m. - 4:00 a.m. -- The morning of April 29 will start with an announcement from the Queen's office stating the titles that Prince William and Kate Middleton will take.
Ok, so looks like they're probably going to get a title then. Time to place your bets!

(For the record, I am not condoning anything such as betting on titles, etc, that may be illegal in your location. )
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:54 AM
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My prediction is that they will be the Prince and Princess of Cambridge. My reason for this guess is that the last official visit the Queen made before the wedding was to Cambridge.
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:57 AM
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My prediction is that they will be the Prince and Princess of Cambridge. My reason for this guess is that the last official visit the Queen made before the wedding was to Cambridge.
They would already be Prince and Princess...but any other title such as Cambridge would be prefaced with Duke and Duchess....Earl and Countess, etc.
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Old 04-28-2011, 12:00 PM
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I think that this could work but I believe that things would be neater for their children if William had a Dukedom /Earldom of his own. I personally believe that LPs will be issued and make their children HRH - just like the Queen's father did for her children. If this does happen , then it would be better if William is Duke/Earl of X and the children Prince/Princess of X, instead of all of them (William , Catherine and children), plus Harry, being "of Wales" (since their father would have no other designation to use) because well, I feel that there would be too many Waleses in the country
I really do think they can do without a royal Dukedom for William. Wills continues to be referred to as he currently is, and Catherine is styled as Princess Catherine of Wales (even though she is not made a royal princess in her own right). LPs can be issued for their children. I really do not think we need to worry too much about their being too many Wales'.

The only question is that if William is not given a Dukedom at his marriage, I presume Harry will not get one as well - and in effect, he will have to wait till his father is King to be given a Dukedom. You would then have a situation that Harry will go from being Prince Harry of Wales to having to drop the "of Wales" bit when Charles becomes KIng and William becomes Prince of Wales. Might it not just be neater to make him a duke at his wedding, and working backwards from that, making William a royal duke tomorrow as well?
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Old 04-28-2011, 12:01 PM
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In that case, why did they use the Mountbatten-Windsor ???
To honor their father as well as their mother.
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Old 04-28-2011, 12:07 PM
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This time tomorrow we will know.

I think it will be Their Royal Highnesses the Duke and Duchess of Clarence.....

Then again I will probably be wrong lol!
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Old 04-28-2011, 12:09 PM
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I think either Cambridge or Clarence ... but I have to say I kind of like the sound of HRH Princess William too.. to be honest I just want to know already ...I don't think I will sleep tonight in fear I wont hear the alarm go off...at 3am
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Old 04-28-2011, 12:11 PM
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They would already be Prince and Princess...but any other title such as Cambridge would be prefaced with Duke and Duchess....Earl and Countess, etc.
Oh, I didn't know that, Lady Marmalade, thanks. I still think it will be Cambridge. though. Duke and Duchess of Cambridge is my revised guess.
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Old 04-28-2011, 12:36 PM
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And so it begins...lol
Dateline NBC aired a nice special last night about the royal wedding preparations. They actually interviewed some real royal experts/insiders like Lady Pamela Mountbatten, Lady Elizabeth Anson, and the Queen's chef Mark Flanagan. Unfortunately, "royal expert" Katie Nicholl was also on and described William being "not the heir but the heir apparent." I really don't know why she's on NBC and ABC.
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Old 04-28-2011, 12:40 PM
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LOL, William is the heir apparent. Maybe to people that don't want Charles to be King, but that's not in the real world that we all live in.
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Old 04-28-2011, 12:48 PM
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Ok, so looks like they're probably going to get a title then. Time to place your bets!
If accurate, then it is a foregone conclusion William is being created a Peer tomorrow morning. My final vote is Duke of Clarence or Earl of Cambridge.
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LOL, William is the heir apparent. Maybe to people that don't want Charles to be King, but that's not in the real world that we all live in.
Both Prince Charles and Prince William ARE Heir Apparents. A Heir Apparent is a heir who cannot be displaced by anyone else (by birth, etc). The only difference between them is Charles will go first, then William.
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Old 04-28-2011, 01:01 PM
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Both Prince Charles and Prince William ARE Heir Apparents. A Heir Apparent is a heir who cannot be displaced by anyone else (by birth, etc). The only difference between them is Charles will go first, then William.

William is not the heir apparent. The heir apparent is the next in line for the throne. William is not the next-in-line for the throne, his father is. CPss Victoria is the heir apparent of her father. CP Frederik is the heir apparent of his mother. Charles is the heir apparent of his mother.

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In a hereditary system governed by some form of primogeniture, an heir apparent is easily identifiable as the person whose position as first in the line of succession is secure, regardless of future births. An heir presumptive, by contrast, can always be "bumped down" in the succession by the birth of somebody more closely related in a legal sense (according to that form of primogeniture) to the current title-holder.
So no, William is not the heir apparent of the throne of the Commonwealth Realms.
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Old 04-28-2011, 01:08 PM
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Well, William is the heir apparent to THE heir apparent, but what Katie Nichols said was just wrong. I mean, heir apparent is just a more specific kind of heir, so what she said was contradicting herself.
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Old 04-28-2011, 01:13 PM
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While I agree that William is the heir of the heir apparent, he is not officially the heir apparent. He won't be until his father is king, because he would then be next-in-line for the throne.
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Old 04-28-2011, 01:21 PM
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While I agree that William is the heir of the heir apparent, he is not officially the heir apparent. He won't be until his father is king, because he would then be next-in-line for the throne.
Very fair point--it looks like the definition you gave earlier is a bit more specific than what I had in mind. What I meant by "Heir Apparent" is a heir who will eventually ascend, even if he's not the first in the line of succession, because they can't be displaced.

In any case, I don't think "Heir Apparent" is an official term within the BRF anyway. My point really was that there are 2 people who will ascend the throne because they *can't* be displaced; all other people in the line of succession can be displaced further down the line by birth of other people.

And I do agree, Kate Nichols really got it wrong.
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