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View Poll Results: What Title will the Queen bestow on William and Catherine?
Duke of Clarence 25 16.45%
Duke of Cambridge 68 44.74%
Duke of Sussex 5 3.29%
Duke of Windsor 8 5.26%
Duke of Kendall 2 1.32%
Earl of Something 8 5.26%
Hey! My choice isn't listed. I think it will be something else. 10 6.58%
Nothing. I think they will remain Prince and Princess William of Wales 26 17.11%
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Old 04-25-2011, 08:34 AM
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I wonder if another possibility would be for William to take (by courtesy) one of Charles' lesser titles? There would still be the problem of what Harry is called when he gets married. But might it be that William and Kate are called 'Earl and Countess of Chester', or 'Earl and Countess of Carrick'? If it wasn't for Camalia using the title 'Duchess of Cornwall', William and Kate could have even taken that style, courtesy of Charles, without actually being named Duke. I doubt it will happen, but I guess technically it is a possibility.

The problem is that Charles actually uses his other titles at appropriate times whereas most courtesy titles aren't used except by the heir.

The other thing is that the titles Charles holds aren't actually inheritable in the normal course of events.

William will get them - yes - but only if Charles becomes King.

Now a normal title would pass to the eldest son whenever the father died but for the titles Charles holds William would only get them when his father becomes King and not when he dies and thus they don't fit the concept of 'courtesty' titles.


The better title, in that regard, would be Baron Greenwich as William is 2nd in line to the Edinburgh title but doesn't use the Greenwhich style because he is an HRH in his own right.
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Old 04-25-2011, 09:20 AM
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If it wasn't for Camalia using the title 'Duchess of Cornwall', William and Kate could have even taken that style, courtesy of Charles, without actually being named Duke. I doubt it will happen, but I guess technically it is a possibility.

It is impossible for William to be styled as the Duke of Cornwall as he is in fact not, the Duke of Cornwall. We've already had the discussion here about what needs to happen in order for you to become the Duke of Cornwall, and at this moment William does not fulfill any of those requirements. He is not the eldest son of the sovereign, nor is he the sovereign's heir. That would be Charles.

So no, William and Catherine cannot be made the Duke and Duchess of Cornwall.
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Old 04-25-2011, 10:03 AM
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It is impossible for William to be styled as the Duke of Cornwall as he is in fact not, the Duke of Cornwall. We've already had the discussion here about what needs to happen in order for you to become the Duke of Cornwall, and at this moment William does not fulfill any of those requirements. He is not the eldest son of the sovereign, nor is he the sovereign's heir. That would be Charles.

So no, William and Catherine cannot be made the Duke and Duchess of Cornwall.
Yes I know.

Try reading my post a few more times and see if you can figure out my meaning. I suspect if you read it carefully, you will be able to understand my idea, which is different than the idea you are addressing.
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Old 04-25-2011, 10:07 AM
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The problem is that Charles actually uses his other titles at appropriate times whereas most courtesy titles aren't used except by the heir.

The other thing is that the titles Charles holds aren't actually inheritable in the normal course of events.

William will get them - yes - but only if Charles becomes King.

Now a normal title would pass to the eldest son whenever the father died but for the titles Charles holds William would only get them when his father becomes King and not when he dies and thus they don't fit the concept of 'courtesty' titles.


The better title, in that regard, would be Baron Greenwich as William is 2nd in line to the Edinburgh title but doesn't use the Greenwhich style because he is an HRH in his own right.

Why would the Duke of Cornwall occassionally use his courtesy titles, while the Duke of Kent would not? I realize this is a bit off track, but I am curious.

I figured it would not work since as you say they are not dukedoms that you inherit, but it was a thought that popped into my mind.

Thanks for your response.
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Old 04-25-2011, 10:13 AM
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Actually no one knows what the queen has decided. I am hoping that she shocks all of you and allows Kate to become Her Royal Highness, Princess Catherine of Wales. it is not the norm BUT the queen can allow it. I hope she does just due to the fact that most of you are so sure she will not and you all don't want her to have it. That is why I hope the queen grants this.
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Actually none one knows what the queen has decided. I am hoping that she shocks all of you and allows Kate to become Her Royal Highness, Princess Catherine of Wales. it is not the norm BUT the queen can allow it. I hope she does just due to the fact that most of you are so sure she will not and you all don't want her to have it. That is why I hope the queen grants this.
Or, the Queen could allow her to be called 'Her Highest Royal Majesty the exalted Wife of the Probably Future King, so we might as well start calling you Queen Katie now'.

That would REALLY Surprise and shock everyone!! HaHa!
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Old 04-25-2011, 10:26 AM
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Actually none one knows what the queen has decided. I am hoping that she shocks all of you and allows Kate to become Her Royal Highness, Princess Catherine of Wales. it is not the norm BUT the queen can allow it. I hope she does just due to the fact that most of you are so sure she will not and you all don't want her to have it. That is why I hope the queen grants this.
There's no reason for it, and that is why it won't happen. Simples.
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Old 04-25-2011, 10:33 AM
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Actually none one knows what the queen has decided. I am hoping that she shocks all of you and allows Kate to become Her Royal Highness, Princess Catherine of Wales. it is not the norm BUT the queen can allow it. I hope she does just due to the fact that most of you are so sure she will not and you all don't want her to have it. That is why I hope the queen grants this.
NOT...GOING...TO...HAPPEN...

She didn't even create her daughters in law princesses in their own right so why would she do it for Catherine.
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Old 04-25-2011, 11:13 AM
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I just read reports that the Queen will be giving William and Kate permission to keep low profiles for the first two years of their marriage. So I doubt they will get a grand title.
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Old 04-25-2011, 11:41 AM
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Actually none one knows what the queen has decided. I am hoping that she shocks all of you and allows Kate to become Her Royal Highness, Princess Catherine of Wales. it is not the norm BUT the queen can allow it. I hope she does just due to the fact that most of you are so sure she will not and you all don't want her to have it. That is why I hope the queen grants this.

Its not a question of no one here doesn't want her to have it. This is up to Queen Elizabeth. The Queen is going to do what's fair and right. I really feel she will not do something for Catherine ,she didn't do for her daughters-in-law.
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Old 04-25-2011, 11:51 AM
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Or, the Queen could allow her to be called 'Her Highest Royal Majesty the exalted Wife of the Probably Future King, so we might as well start calling you Queen Katie now'.

That would REALLY Surprise and shock everyone!! HaHa!
OMG!
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Old 04-25-2011, 12:21 PM
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Would someone explain how not having a ducal title will assist His Royal Highness Prince William Arthur Philip Louis of Wales, Counsellor of State, Royal Knight Companion of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Master of Arts, Bencher of the Honourable Society of the Middle Temple, Honorary Fellow of the Royal Society, Honorary Canadian Ranger, Royal Navy Commodore-in-Chief of the Royal Navy Submarine Service, Royal Navy Commodore-in-Chief of Scotland, Honorary Air Commandant of RAF Coningsby, Colonel of the Regiment Irish Guards, President of BAFTA, President of The National Football Association (did I miss anything?) and Catherine in keeping "low profiles"?
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Old 04-25-2011, 12:36 PM
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Will find out on Friday how Her Royal Highness to be is styled.
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Old 04-25-2011, 01:10 PM
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If William is invested as The Prince of Wales when Charles is King, then Catherine will automatically become The Princess of Wales.
Correct your knowledge. I hope that William will be king instead of Charles. Charles retractable.
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Old 04-25-2011, 01:37 PM
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Correct your knowledge. I hope that William will be king instead of Charles. Charles retractable.

I'm not sure what this means. While I no doubt believe there are people who would rather William skip Charles in the order of succession given the age that it's probable Charles will begin his reign, but that's just not a possibility. Charles will be king, even if it's for three years or something. Then William will become King when his father dies.
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Yes I know.

Try reading my post a few more times and see if you can figure out my meaning. I suspect if you read it carefully, you will be able to understand my idea, which is different than the idea you are addressing.

I read it. However as someone else explained to you, Charles' titles cannot be doled out like that -- for example, The Earl of Wessex's son is styled as Viscount Severn. That is a courtesy title for his eldest son. None of Charles' titles can be used in that manner. Charles' titles are to be used solely by the heir to the throne and no other, which means that none of his other titles can be given to his eldest son to be used as courtesy titles.

As for your asking about why Charles uses his other titles in some instances but someone like the Duke of Kent does not, the Duke's titles can be inherited, whereas Charles' cannot. So the Duke's eldest son carries the courtesy title "Earl of St. Andrews". His eldest son is styled as "Baron Downpatrick". When the present Duke of Kent dies, his eldest son will be His Grace, The Duke of Kent and his eldest son will become His Grace, The Earl of St. Andrews. Charles uses those titles, depending on where in the realm he is.
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If Prince William didn't want a ducal title, wouldn't it make more sense for Buckingham Palace to announce such news earlier instead of so close to the wedding day so that it doesn't take away from the wedding? I think not giving a title/not wanting a title would create some unnecessary debate or speculation over the decision. I would rather get that out of the way so that it doesn't cut into media coverage of the event itself.

I think it would be extra meaningful for Prince William to receive a title from his grandmother. I would discourage a delay because she is getting older. Grant it she may live for quite a few more years, but why take the chance? William will receive new titles from his father later on, but it would be nice to see him receive a title from his grandmother as well.
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Sister Morphine:

The style "His/Your Grace" is limited to dukes. The Earl of St. Andrews, like other earls, is referred to/addressed as "His/Your Lordship" or "My Lord."
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Actually no one knows what the queen has decided. I am hoping that she shocks all of you and allows Kate to become Her Royal Highness, Princess Catherine of Wales. it is not the norm BUT the queen can allow it. I hope she does just due to the fact that most of you are so sure she will not and you all don't want her to have it. That is why I hope the queen grants this.
No need to get riled up. Most of us just can't see it happening. As you say, it could happen...but I doubt it.
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