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View Poll Results: What Title will the Queen bestow on William and Catherine?
Duke of Clarence 25 16.45%
Duke of Cambridge 68 44.74%
Duke of Sussex 5 3.29%
Duke of Windsor 8 5.26%
Duke of Kendall 2 1.32%
Earl of Something 8 5.26%
Hey! My choice isn't listed. I think it will be something else. 10 6.58%
Nothing. I think they will remain Prince and Princess William of Wales 26 17.11%
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Old 04-08-2011, 08:18 PM
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Edward won't receive the Edinburgh Dukedom when Philip dies unless Charles is already King and recreates the title for Edward.

You missed my point. It's been publicly stated that Edward is likely to receive the dukedom of Edinburgh when Philip dies, and obviously for that to happen, Charles would have to create a new dukedom of Edinburgh for Edward and his descendants. We already know that's how it works.

To give one of Philip's subsidiary titles to William is an affront to that, and goes against what is expected to happen for Edward, and thus is highly unlikely to occur. Because if this happens, the dukedom of Edinburgh will pass through William and his descendants, and it's unlikely that when William becomes King, Edward will still be alive, and if he is, he'll be very old. So it would make no sense in that scenario for William to create a new dukedom of Edinburgh for Edward.
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Old 04-08-2011, 08:57 PM
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To give one of Philip's subsidiary titles to William is an affront to that, and goes against what is expected to happen for Edward, and thus is highly unlikely to occur. Because if this happens, the dukedom of Edinburgh will pass through William and his descendants, and it's unlikely that when William becomes King, Edward will still be alive, and if he is, he'll be very old. So it would make no sense in that scenario for William to create a new dukedom of Edinburgh for Edward.
A second creation of one of Philip's subsidiary titles wouldn't affect the Dukedom of Edinburgh. It would still merge with the crown (barring unlikely circumstances), and there would be no impediment to creating a new Dukedom of Edinburgh for Edward once that happened.

I don't think it's likely, but it wouldn't necessitate changing any future plans.
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Old 04-08-2011, 10:32 PM
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Edward won't receive the Edinburgh Dukedom when Philip dies unless Charles is already King and recreates the title for Edward.
I have a question about this (please excuse my ignorance). If Philip dies and the Queen wished to confer the title Duke of Edinburgh on Edward at that time, can she not do that? Why does Charles have to become king to recreate the title?
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I have a question about this (please excuse my ignorance). If Philip dies and the Queen wished to confer the title Duke of Edinburgh on Edward at that time, can she not do that? Why does Charles have to become king to recreate the title?
If Philip died, the title would be inherited by Charles. So then he would be the Duke of Edinburgh on top of all of his other titles. Once Charles became King and the title merged with the crown, HE could then create a 2nd Dukedom of Edinburgh for Edward.

Basically, you can't have two men holding the same title. If Philip dies before the Queen, Charles inherits his titles as his first-born child. The Queen couldn't create a 2nd Dukedom of Edinburgh for Edward while the current Duke of Edinburgh (Charles) is still alive. Edward would have wait for Charles to become king so the title could merge with the crown and become available for a re-grant.
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If Philip died, the title would be inherited by Charles. So then he would be the Duke of Edinburgh on top of all of his other titles. Once Charles became King and the title merged with the crown, HE could then create a 2nd Dukedom of Edinburgh for Edward.

Basically, you can't have two men holding the same title. If Philip dies before the Queen, Charles inherits his titles as his first-born child. The Queen couldn't create a 2nd Dukedom of Edinburgh for Edward while the current Duke of Edinburgh (Charles) is still alive. Edward would have wait for Charles to become king so the title could merge with the crown and become available for a re-grant.
Thank you, Sister Morphine, I understand perfectly now!
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I think her point was publically it's been said Edward will one day be DoE and to 'give' it to William would be distespectful to Edward and probably the Queen's wishes so she probably won't do so....
Edward will only become The Duke of Edinburgh once the current dukedom is extinct. That's why the announcement stated it was intended he would be created Duke of Edinburgh after the death of his parents, not Philip.

If Philip dies before Charles is King, then his titles will pass to his eldest son, which means Charles will add Philip's peerages to his existing titles. If Charles does not survive his father, then William becomes Duke of Edinburgh. In both scenarios, either Charles or William becomes The Sovereign in due course and all of their titles will then merge with the Crown.

When it is created for Edward again by Charles or William as King, it will be a new creation. Most likely, Edward would be the 1st Duke of Edinburgh, Earl of Wessex and Viscount Severn.
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Old 04-09-2011, 12:03 PM
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So going back to the subject...

Here, yesterday a local TV channel aired a special about the W&K. they showed the street where Kate's great-great-grandfather (I don't actually remember how many "greats" there was) used to live.
The name on the plate: "Clarence Street". :) What are the odds ?!
Kate's probably not even aware of that but it does put Duke and Duchess of Clarence on the front runner for me. If only the Prince Albert' connection had a happier ending.
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It's not a gift per se, nor is she required to do it. It is however, customary for a prince to receive a dukedom (or earldom) on his wedding day. The only one I can think off the top of my head who didn't was Charles, as he already was in possession of several titles when he married Diana in 1981. I mean, even Prince Philip received a dukedom on his wedding day.
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I still am really hoping for the Dukedom of Cambridge. It just has an austere ring to it.
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Please note that off topic posts rehashing the Diana/Charles/Camilla triangle have been deleted.
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I predict no Dukedom and she will become "Princess Catherine"... (which is why IMO, they have been insisting on calling her Catherine instead of Kate for the last few months. )
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Old 04-09-2011, 05:33 PM
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I predict no Dukedom and she will become "Princess Catherine"... (which is why IMO, they have been insisting on calling her Catherine instead of Kate for the last few months. )

Catherine is her name, Kate is a nickname. Besides, she's not going to be known in the court circulars as Kate, she'll be known as Catherine....so it's not a big deal that the press is coming around to that as well. The Queen is not going to make her a princess in her own right, when she didn't do the same for any of her daughters-in-law or her cousins' wives. There is no precedent for doing it, and I can't imagine the Queen just up and deciding to do so.
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There isn't a precedent for formally making her a princess in her own right, but there is a precedent for allowing her to be styled "Princess Catherine." The late Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester was never a princess in her own right, but the Queen still allowed her to be styled as Princess Alice.

There also wasn't a precedent for a royal earldom before 1999...
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There isn't a precedent for formally making her a princess in her own right, but there is a precedent for allowing her to be styled "Princess Catherine." The late Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester was never a princess in her own right, but the Queen still allowed her to be styled as Princess Alice.

Yes, because she didn't want to be confused with her daughter-in-law. That's a bit different than this situation, as there are no other Catherines in the family that would warrant William's wife being given a title in exception to keep them apart.
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Well techinically, there is another Katharine, who is the Duchess of Kent.

But since she isn't around much AT ALL and for all intents and purposes is leading a separate life from her husband and BRF...I somewhat see your point.

That being said, I believe that William will receive a Dukedom on the 29th! 20 days to go.
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Catherine is her name, Kate is a nickname. Besides, she's not going to be known in the court circulars as Kate, she'll be known as Catherine....so it's not a big deal that the press is coming around to that as well. The Queen is not going to make her a princess in her own right, when she didn't do the same for any of her daughters-in-law or her cousins' wives. There is no precedent for doing it, and I can't imagine the Queen just up and deciding to do so.
How do you know what the Queen is going to do ?? There was no precedent for lots of things yet they still happened.

And she would not be referred to in the Court Circular as Catherine anything - she would either be Princess or Duchess of X.....
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That being said, I believe that William will receive a Dukedom on the 29th! 20 days to go.
I haven't said this anywhere else, because I know all of you will understand, but the other day I saw the first commercial for Royal Wedding coverage on Cdn TV. All I could do for the better part of four or five minutes was grin and giggle like an idiot.

Not too much longer...
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Well techinically, there is another Katharine, who is the Duchess of Kent.

But since she isn't around much AT ALL and for all intents and purposes is leading a separate life from her husband and BRF...I somewhat see your point.

That being said, I believe that William will receive a Dukedom on the 29th! 20 days to go.

I didn't mean other Catherines, I had meant to say other Princess William of Wales. If there were two or three of them in the BRF for some reason, I could see wanting this one as the future queen to be set apart, but since there aren't.....there's no reason for it to happen.
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Prince William duke of Clarence
Prince William duke of Albany
Princess Catherine "
Sound nice?
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