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Old 11-14-2016, 01:12 PM
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The problem is not Meghan having voiced political opinions before she met Harry, but rather keeping doing that after they get married, which is totally hypothetical of course. Being political while they are dating, but are not engaged or married yet is a little bit of a grey area, but it might prove problematic too.

As a side comment, the requirement that royals be politically neutral is not an archaic rule that amounts to stripping one of his/her freedom of speech. On the contrary, it is an imperative of constitutional monarchy. Royals can make comments on humanitarian causes and issues that are important to them. That is somewhat more common in continental Europe than in Britain ( CP Victoria for example has often spoken in support of refugees), but it happens in the UK sometimes too (Prince William for example is known for his campaign in favor of endangered animals ; Prince Charles has strong views on global warming and climate change). What cannot happen is a royal being partisan in the sense of speaking in support of or against a particular political party or candidate.
Here's the thing about Markle's political statements that stands out to me: so far as I've seen, they've all suggested the US move in a direction to make it more like the UK. Take gun control, for instance. Saying you support that while standing on US soil is a strong political stance. Saying it's a good thing when you're in the UK, where guns are controlled so tightly that most police don't have them, seems to be more only slightly more intense a statement than coming out as a fan of ice cream. Which is to say that the issues that seem to rile her up to the point of needing to speak out are already settled in the UK -- and settled in the way she would prefer -- so she might have an easier time keeping neutral there.
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Old 11-14-2016, 01:28 PM
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This is TRUE loonytick..
The problem however, may be that if she is habituated to expressing controversial opinions, that is something that must STOP [instantly and permanently] the moment she is engaged to Prince Harry.
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Old 11-14-2016, 01:36 PM
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This is TRUE loonytick..
The problem however, may be that if she is habituated to expressing controversial opinions, that is something that must STOP [instantly and permanently] the moment she is engaged to Prince Harry.
If an engagement came about, Meghan won't be engaging in politics. This is not something anyone have to worry about, wyevale.
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Old 11-14-2016, 01:37 PM
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Gushing and emoting on social media is the 'in thing' with all of these celebrity/actress types. It's just what they do. They think the world hangs on their every utterance.

We get updates on politics, the state of the world etc. Every 'right on' cause is supported.

This will be one of the biggest changes for her.
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Old 11-14-2016, 02:42 PM
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Old 11-14-2016, 03:13 PM
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But the question is, would he bother with such a public statement and practically claiming her as his, if they both just wanted to see where the relationship is heading. Feels to me they are both extremely serious about this.

We have to remember that Meghan is different than previous girlfriends in two key ways: she was a public person prior to dating Harry and she doesn't live in the U.K.

There is no way she's not facing a degree of press and paparazzi harassment that Harry's previous girlfriends (or William's for that matter) never got; the press in North America have a different attitude towards royally connected individuals than the British press do. They also were already aware of Meghan and likely where to find her, her social media, etc, well before she was dating Harry because she was a public person (regardless of whether you've heard of her before, the press certainly has).

Add in to the fact that Harry's previous girlfriends never faced the racist tirade that Meghan's facing...

In all likelihood, the statement he's made regarding the relationship has more to do with how she's being treated by the press and public than how serious the relationship is. Harry and Chelsy were together for years without a similar statement, but Chelsy was more protected by British attitudes (and her whiteness) than Meghan is.
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Old 11-14-2016, 03:59 PM
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People don't realize that the more they attack Meghan, the more he will dig his hills in. I think he's fallen in love. Harry will push back even more and the result will be an engagement and a short one at that leading to marriage.
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Old 11-14-2016, 05:04 PM
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Chelsy was also protected b/c the press, paparazzi and public cared more about than girlfriend Kate than they ever did about her
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Old 11-14-2016, 05:26 PM
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Social media wasn't that relevant back then. It protected Chelsy.
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Old 11-14-2016, 09:20 PM
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I already think Harry manifested because is serious. He was not going to expose himself just for an unimportant affair. And I agree, the more the press and the people chase her, the closer they will be
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Old 11-15-2016, 03:43 AM
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I'm still catching up on the thread, but accidentally hit the Post button. So in order to not lose all this...

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What does the poppy have to do with it?

She's an individual who works and lives in Canada and is currently in the UK. It's the day before Remembrance Day. Why wouldn't she be wearing a poppy, even if it's just to pick up groceries?

I know it's not a thing in the US, but in Canada most people are wearing poppies all the time starting the last week of October, up until Remembrance Day.

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She wasn't wearing one when she was photographed in Canada a few days ago. Why would an American who previously never wore a poppy suddenly put one on? Especially for a quick errand.

Because from what I have seen over the years, a British Poppy seems to be able to be fastened far more securely than our Canadian Poppies are. One year I ended up somewhere close to 30 Poppies over the course of The Poppy Campaign. Ours are attached by a very flimsy stick pin and that's it, so it doesn't take much to lose one as you go about your day.

Which is what could have happened in the photo you are referring to. As to why she's d wear when not a Canadian? It's called showing respect, & when in someone else's Country, you respect their Culture & Traditions. Especially when comes to something as important as this.

I find this you using this as a reason to attack Megan over as rather offensive. There other "mis steps" I'm sure you could find to harp on about I have no doubt, but to use wearing a Poppy as one? Sad, very offensive and disgusting too.

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How do we know if she never wore poppy before? Most people say they have never heard of her until the past 2 weeks or so, we have no clue if she wore one before. She would no doubt get called out if she didn't wear one.

Exactly!! She's working and living in Canada most of the year for many years now. She would have had to live under a rock to not learn what the Poppy stands for and means. Plus it was Remembrance Weekend in the UK. I don't even want to remotely think what the headlines would have been if there wasn't a Poppy on her coat when in London this weekend.

Of all the things I thought I would see a Royal girlfriend get grief over....A Poppy!! *shakes head in disbelief*

BTW...For all those wringing their over her being an actress and oh me oh my I just *know* she's going to be *indiscreet* because we know they all blab about everything..."? I'm old enough to remember Prince Andrew's relationship w/ certain Katherine "Koo" Stark, an actress who had made a few soft porn films IIRC & had also posed nude & just how serious that relationship was. Sadly, it didn't work out & it wasn't too long after that a certain Redhead came on the scene.

All these years later & which one is it who is constantly bringing up her Royal "connections" in the Media & who has kept her mouth shut?

Just something to put out there to ponder over...


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Old 11-15-2016, 08:02 AM
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Old 11-15-2016, 08:32 AM
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Old 11-15-2016, 09:01 AM
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I'm still catching up on the thread, but accidentally hit the Post button. So in order to not lose all this...




Thank you!!




Because from what I have seen over the years, a British Poppy seems to be able to be fastened far more securely than our Canadian Poppies are. One year I ended up somewhere close to 30 Poppies over the course of The Poppy Campaign. Ours are attached by a very flimsy stick pin and that's it, so it doesn't take much to lose one as you go about your day.

Which is what could have happened in the photo you are referring to. As to why she's d wear when not a Canadian? It's called showing respect, & when in someone else's Country, you respect their Culture & Traditions. Especially when comes to something as important as this.

I find this you using this as a reason to attack Megan over as rather offensive. There other "mis steps" I'm sure you could find to harp on about I have no doubt, but to use wearing a Poppy as one? Sad, very offensive and disgusting too.




Exactly!! She's working and living in Canada most of the year for many years now. She would have had to live under a rock to not learn what the Poppy stands for and means. Plus it was Remembrance Weekend in the UK. I don't even want to remotely think what the headlines would have been if there wasn't a Poppy on her coat when in London this weekend.

Of all the things I thought I would see a Royal girlfriend get grief over....A Poppy!! *shakes head in disbelief*

BTW...For all those wringing their over her being an actress and oh me oh my I just *know* she's going to be *indiscreet* because we know they all blab about everything..."? I'm old enough to remember Prince Andrew's relationship w/ certain Katherine "Koo" Stark, an actress who had made a few soft porn films IIRC & had also posed nude & just how serious that relationship was. Sadly, it didn't work out & it wasn't too long after that a certain Redhead came on the scene.

All these years later & which one is it who is constantly bringing up her Royal "connections" in the Media & who has kept her mouth shut?

Just something to put out there to ponder over...


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Attack? Harp on? Not really. It was a comment on the fact she is already being advised on royal pr. I stand by my opinion that she was possibly advised to wear it due to the possibility of being photographed. I am not faulting her for wearing one nor would I care if she didn't. Good lord
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Old 11-15-2016, 09:10 AM
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This is one unusual royal romance.
So much talk- official statement from KP, racist, sexist, and nationalistic comments. Not to mention Miss Markle's own sister airing the family's dirty laundry.
And the supposed couple have yet to be photographed together.
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Old 11-15-2016, 09:21 AM
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No they haven't been photographed together yet, not in Toronto or London. (Harry Potter's Cloak of Invisibility, perhaps!) However, I do think we're beyond the 'supposed couple' stage. Harry himself came out and said as much in the famed KP statement. He also said they have been going out together for 'some months', (seemingly since June.) I don't think he was lying.

Whoever does manage to photograph them together (perhaps next month) is going to rake in an absolute fortune! Perhaps the next time they go to the Soho House venue someone with a cell phone could hide behind the bar!
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Old 11-15-2016, 09:46 AM
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Those pictures of them together will be big and it's what everyone is waiting for.
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Old 11-15-2016, 12:05 PM
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The problem however, may be that if she is habituated to expressing controversial opinions, that is something that must STOP [instantly and permanently] the moment she is engaged to Prince Harry.
Of course. I'm just saying I don't buy that stopping those statements will be so hard for her, especially in a situation where she moves to a society that's already more like what she seems to want.

Like someone else said already, there are a number of examples of strong-minded, independent women (Maxima, for example) adapting well to the practice of exercising "royal neutrality." Being able to be a bigger help to charitable groups than ever before in their lives probably helps scratch that "wanting to make a difference, not just sit back and watch" itch.

Honestly, I think history has shown us that the royals most at risk of speaking out of turn about politics are always those born to the job. And it makes sense, really. Never in their entire lives do they have a chance to just speak as individuals about those things without worrying who can hear, and it must be hard to keep that "steam" from building up and boiling over at some point. Of course, if they're to be successful they also look at the charitable royal work as a way of diverting those impulses, but unlike the spouses who marry in, the blood royals are so used to that kind of thing that it probably takes a little more effort to look at those activities as a good substitute for speaking out.
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Old 11-15-2016, 01:09 PM
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Other women who became royals have managed to adapt and adjust, however. I'm sure Marie of Denmark, Crown Princess Mary of Denmark, Maxima of the Netherlands knew nothing about Royal protocol or the customs of their adopted countries when they first met their husbands. They even had to learn a new language.

So did Maria Teresa of Luxembourg, who was of Cuban descent and probably was ignorant of the culture and history of the country where she is now Grand Duchess. Grace Kelly left a mega career to settle down to Royal life in Monaco as well as having to communicate in French. So did Charlene. At least there won't be language difficulties in Meghan's case, IF she does end up marrying Harry. She may well learn things very quickly. And Maxima, at least, gives me the impression of being a strong and independent woman who wouldn't be afraid to speak out!
Wow, this is very rude to asume she was ignorant of the country!!!! Central America and southamerica study more about European history and geography in the school than americans!
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Old 11-15-2016, 03:38 PM
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Wow, this is very rude to asume she was ignorant of the country!!!! Central America and southamerica study more about European history and geography in the school than americans!

How is it rude to assume that a person who grew up in New York (she was 3 when her family left Cuba) wouldn't know a lot about a country that is less than 3,000 square km in size and has a population of fewer than 600,000 people?
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