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Old 11-13-2016, 11:46 PM
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Ya'll Meghan is American! A marriage to a Royal does not change that. She has a right to express an opinion about what's happening in her country. This is not the dark age nor is it the the 1980's. I do not want a marriage to turn into a silent wall flower.
If they marry while The Queen is still alive, it won't be a State wedding and they won't be have to invite the President. Just like grandson William didn't invite Obama, because it wasn't required.

edit: the mods removed American Observer7 post about Meghan not inviting Trump to her wedding. So now my post seems random. oh, well.
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Old 11-13-2016, 11:53 PM
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Very different eras when Andrew (remember the oppulent 80's?) and when Margaret married (sister to the Queen at the time..and a very different time in history).

Harry doesn't seem like a big fancy wedding type of guy.


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That would be very disappointing to many people and would seem to be because of her differences ( I'm not going into them ) to others who married into the BRF.
And heaven above there are people on this forum who want a royal wedding for Pippa not one for Harry would upset all royalists. Times might have changed but royal weddings are what England does so well.
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Old 11-14-2016, 12:11 AM
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Old 11-14-2016, 12:38 AM
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Hmmm so why did Anne marry in Scotland? I've always heard it was because of her divorced state that she didn't marry in the CoE.





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Anne and Tim married in 1992. The CoE didn't change it's stance until 2002.
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Old 11-14-2016, 01:13 AM
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unless you follow royalty, spend your entire adult life social climbing to become a royal a la kate middleton or are part of the royal family most people, espescially americans, don't know anything of the tradition that royalty generally remains apolitical never making public statements. taking all of this into context, i highly doubt fro his point forward she will be making any such statements and if she does it will only be another sign that she will likely never marry harry.

i think this is a situation where he is more into her than she is into him. i believe she enjoys the publicity and the idea of being royalty but at the end of the day shen isn't willing to fall in line like kate and the others to get the title. i think someone in her camp leaked the relationship.
And therein lies the rub. You can't always get what you want and, should Harry ask Meghan to marry him and she agrees, she is accepting that she no longer has a public voice at all. No if's no buts and the fact that she is an American is irrelevant. There is no way she will be HRH the Duchess of ? and continue doing her own thing on that level.

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The CoE has allowed divorcees to marry in a church since 2002, provided that whoever performs the ceremony consents to it.

In the case of Charles and Camilla, I believe the issue wasn't so much that they couldn't get married in the church as it was decided that given the circumstances it was probably best that they didn't - the fact that the two of them played parts in each other's divorces being a big part of the issue.
The Archbishop of Canterbury decided that, being the erudite theologian that he is, he could not make up his mind what to do. The fact that marriage of divorcees was allowable and the "blame game" had to be balanced with "judge not lest ye be judged" was a bit much for him. It was no surprise that he "resigned" his appointment as opposed to "retired" in the not too distant future. Come the crunch, he had no backbone and Charles gave him a get out of jail free card.

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Ya'll Meghan is American! A marriage to a Royal does not change that. She has a right to express an opinion about what's happening in her country. This is not the dark ages nor is it the the 1980's. I do not want a marriage to turn into a silent wall flower.
Well Ya'll, marrying a member of the BRF nixes all that. I do not believe she would have to change her citizenship but the quickest way to the divorce court is to disrespect the in-laws, the Prime Minister and the government of your adopted country because doing your own thing is more important than your husband, your family and his. After all, what's a little thing like an international incident so long as you exercised your "rights". As a member of the BRF she would have NO such right. The great privilege bestowed by her marriage is balanced by the obligations she would assume.
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Old 11-14-2016, 01:24 AM
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Old 11-14-2016, 01:24 AM
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Ok, let's take a step back. What international incident? How has Meghan even suggested disrespecting her possible future in-laws, the Prime Minister, and the UK? I'm confused here.

If Harry is going to marry an actual adult woman, most likely we ALL have voiced our opinion on politics and political leaders at some point of our lives, and yes, loudly, in public. BRF simply can't expect Harry's future wife to have lived in a bubble preparing for her future role as his wife, even before they were in a serious relationship.
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Old 11-14-2016, 02:22 AM
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I think most people are quite capable of adapting to change, wherever they come from or move to - provided they have time to get used to it, move at their own pace and there are circumstances in the first place that make them want to make such change.

Of-course, suddenly finding oneself a member of a royal family overnight would be fraught with obstacles and problems. But the reality is that already Meghan has known Harry for several months, she will have an inkling of what his life as a royal is like. Over time, if the relationship progresses, she will get to know the various customs and intricacies of Harry's family and the country in which he lives.
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Old 11-14-2016, 04:10 AM
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Now, I have read the last posts in this thread. I bet Harry will work it out so that she can continue acting while they are married if she wants to do that. Times are changing. Harry is number 5 not number 3. I am sure he and Meghan have talked about all the things you all mentioned.
It is impossible for Meghan to marry Harry and continue acting on America TV. As I said, she will have to give it up as Grace Kelly, who was an Academy Award winner and a huge movie star, did when she married Prince Rainier.

Furthermore, Meghan cannot decline a title. The moment she marries Harry, she will automatically become "The Princess Henry" and, if Harry is created a royal duke, she will be "HRH The Duchess of xxx". The only way to avoid that would be if Harry and Meghan had a morganatic marriage, in which case her children wouldn't have succession rights and titles either. I don't see that happening.
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Old 11-14-2016, 04:23 AM
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Ok, let's take a step back. What international incident? How has Meghan even suggested disrespecting her possible future in-laws, the Prime Minister, and the UK? I'm confused here.

If Harry is going to marry an actual adult woman, most likely we ALL have voiced our opinion on politics and political leaders at some point of our lives, and yes, loudly, in public. BRF simply can't expect Harry's future wife to have lived in a bubble preparing for her future role as his wife, even before they were in a serious relationship.
The problem is not Meghan having voiced political opinions before she met Harry, but rather keeping doing that after they get married, which is totally hypothetical of course. Being political while they are dating, but are not engaged or married yet is a little bit of a grey area, but it might prove problematic too.

As a side comment, the requirement that royals be politically neutral is not an archaic rule that amounts to stripping one of his/her freedom of speech. On the contrary, it is an imperative of constitutional monarchy. Royals can make comments on humanitarian causes and issues that are important to them. That is somewhat more common in continental Europe than in Britain ( CP Victoria for example has often spoken in support of refugees), but it happens in the UK sometimes too (Prince William for example is known for his campaign in favor of endangered animals ; Prince Charles has strong views on global warming and climate change). What cannot happen is a royal being partisan in the sense of speaking in support of or against a particular political party or candidate.
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Old 11-14-2016, 04:48 AM
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She will be the most popular royal in that family simply because she is American.
Possibly on your side of the Pond, but she will have to work doubly hard to 'earn her stripes here', not because she is 'mixed race', but because she will [as an American] be perceived as not having an understanding of the 'system' as someone homegrown would.
If Harry chooses her, then I will wish them EVERY Happiness, but I don't think it will be easy for either of them.
'Time will tell'..
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Old 11-14-2016, 05:32 AM
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I don't think it will be easy for anyone dating/marrying Harry. It might be easier for Meghan, because she already has experienced online harassment to some degree due to her character's actions on the show. She can take that. IMO she drew a line in paps harassing her mother, defaming bs articles and breaking into her home. I don't think it would be any harder for her than a British woman. The tabloids go hard in on any woman Harry dates.
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Old 11-14-2016, 05:35 AM
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Of course Sarah Ferguson was English, upper middleclass, to a certain extent had mixed with the royals since childhood and presumably understood 'the system and the process'. She married a second son, and proved to be an absolute disaster as a Royal Duchess! I don't think we can really predict how a person is going to act when they enter that world until they are in it, unfortunately.
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Old 11-14-2016, 10:31 AM
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We won't know how serious they are until Meghan decides to wind down her entertainment career and lives full-time in the UK. That will be the first sign.

Then there will have to be a period where she acclimates herself to the Firm and sees what will be expected of her as a member of the BRF.

All of this is a big 'if'. Dating for few months doesn't mean this will end in marriage.
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Old 11-14-2016, 11:03 AM
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We won't know how serious they are until Meghan decides to wind down her entertainment career and lives full-time in the UK. That will be the first sign.

Then there will have to be a period where she acclimates herself to the Firm and sees what will be expected of her as a member of the BRF.

All of this is a big 'if'. Dating for few months doesn't mean this will end in marriage.
Yeah, they're just dating. People should really stop getting ahead of themselves with the marriage talk. It's what Harry don't want people to do so early on.
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But the question is, would he bother with such a public statement and practically claiming her as his, if they both just wanted to see where the relationship is heading. Feels to me they are both extremely serious about this.
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Old 11-14-2016, 12:20 PM
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But the question is, would he bother with such a public statement and practically claiming her as his, if they both just wanted to see where the relationship is heading. Feels to me they are both extremely serious about this.
Yes, the statement is very serious, but we can't get too ahead of ourselves with wedding talk. It's the kind of pressure Harry don't want everyone putting him and his girlfriend. He mentioned this in an interview not that long ago. I think Harry just want everyone to relax and allow him the room to build towards a future. It can be annoying when people see you with a girl, and suddenly you get drowned in wedding and baby talk.

People were going into marriage talk when he was dating Cressida, which really really didn't make much sense, because it really did look like Harry was babysitting his little sister. Also, I think it scared her off too.
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Old 11-14-2016, 12:30 PM
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But the question is, would he bother with such a public statement and practically claiming her as his, if they both just wanted to see where the relationship is heading. Feels to me they are both extremely serious about this.
I agree. Clearly he deems it serious enough to label her his girlfriend. Not just an acquaintance or friend which would still have gotten the message across. He made a deliberate choice to identify as his girlfriend to the public.
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Old 11-14-2016, 12:47 PM
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Hmmm so why did Anne marry in Scotland? I've always heard it was because of her divorced state that she didn't marry in the CoE.


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Because Anne and Tim were married 24 years ago in 1992, ten years before the Church of England started allowing such marriages. The Church of Scotland was like the Church of England now, it allowed it with the consent of the clergy.
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Ah gotcha...forgot it'd been so long ago!


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