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Old 05-22-2017, 10:17 PM
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I disagree. Why should Meghan and Harry have to go out in public and essentially put on a performance for the public and media just so that people will believe in the existence of their relationship?

Harry and Meghan owe the public nothing - not when it comes to their relationship. There will certainly be a point when their lives have to be on display, if they get married, but right now they're not at that stage. So why should they have to perform just to convince us that they're really together?
No one is saying for them to go out and about to perform for people. We're just stating it's going to be better for them when they get to the point where they're comfortable being seen out and about in public. Like Beatrice and Dave (once was), Eugenie and her boyfriend, Zara and Mike, etc.

Everyone respects their desire for privacy and they should have that. Just saying that it's exhausting sneaking about, holding ones heads down and arriving at places separately. It's also tiring to watch...as we did with the Cambridge's during their dating years. It's a heavy lift off these couples shoulders when they no longer have to duck and hide.
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If they're fine with it than what does it matter. The only reason to want them to stop sneaking around is so the voyeurs can gawk.
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I don't think I'm a voyeur or gawker, really, just a longtime Royal watcher and Harry supporter. Of course the couple will do things their way. I wish them well, and just wish others did.

I'm just looking forward to the days of seeing them do what normal couple do, go to restaurants and nightspots together, entering and leaving and maybe holding hands! And I am, I confess, a bit disappointed that we have no photos of them together at the reception!
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:46 PM
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If they're fine with it than what does it matter. The only reason to want them to stop sneaking around is so the voyeurs can gawk.
I don't think they're fine with it. I think they would love to go about their business in public with no hesitation. Right now, they're trying to get comfortable doing so. When they get to that point, it's going to be a little easier for them. Look how much joy Eugenie have when she's able to be with her boyfriend in public and not duck and hide. When you start to not give a damn the better things are.
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Old 05-22-2017, 11:01 PM
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^^ I doubt that Eugenie receives anywhere near the attention that William and Harry receive, especially not internationally.

@Curryong, I understand what you are saying, as I too did wish to see Meghan attend the ceremony as any other normal guest. But after what The Sun did the day before on their cover page, no, I think M&H made a wise decision not to give any of the media much of anything to write about on the day, except Pippa's and James' wedding. The Sun wasn't able to do much with a barely distinguishable photo of M&H through a car windshield.

It's the media that is crazy, and that's where the blame lies regarding royal girlfriends having to be protected from media hounding. And Harry was determined after his previous experiences to keep any new relationship out of the public eye for as long as possible. He said as much in one of his old interviews about wanting to meet someone he could get to know privately so that they could become comfortable with each other out of the glare of the media spotlight. That is what Harry was able to do with Meghan. And it's been unfortunately necessary to continue staying out of the public eye in order to preserve their privacy. But recall that they did saunter out last December to purchase a Christmas tree without paps getting wind of it. They have to pick their spots and strategize. That's how it goes in the fishbowl of royal life.

Yes, there are sane people of goodwill who are interested in following the relationship between Harry and his girlfriend, and then there are apparently a lot of jealous trolls, and/or royal haters who never have anything good to say.

As I mentioned in my previous post, H&M's relationship needs more time, and likely Harry and Meghan do confer with their trusted friends and advisors, as well as use their own common sense and experience to make judgment calls about public appearances together at this stage.

I doubt that more appearances in public together at this point is going to calm the media down. No, there would just be increased OTT speculation and unwarranted frenzy accompanied by made-up stories. The sensational over-focus on the polo match kiss I found ridiculous. I am interested in Meghan and Harry as real, down-to-earth, charming young people, not as objects of myth, fairytale or fantasy.

Look at this interview with Harry from about five years ago. He seemed rather reflective and somewhat forlorn about being a royal prince hoping to find someone "willing to take on the role" of dating and marrying him and 'the firm.' Sure there were probably giggling groupies and willing party girls eager to please, but for Harry to find someone he could truly love who could take on all the 'royal baggage' was something else again. Around this time, his relationship with Chelsy had come to its final end.

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Interviewer: Does royalty live up to the fairytale?

Harry: Ummm, no not at all... (laughs) as any girl will ever tell you. Sort of, 'oh my God, he's a prince.'

And now, Harry has finally met his match in Meghan Markle. No wonder Harry is usually grinning from ear-to-ear these days and seeming to feel more comfortable and purposeful with the direction his life is taking.

As far as negative sites and commentary, try to avoid partaking of it, if you can @Curryong. Who cares what trolls think? Nothing will ever satisfy such reprehensibles.
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Old 05-22-2017, 11:35 PM
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Myself I think they are comfortable with being seen (when they are seen they aren't trying to hide or sneak around)...I think the reason we don't see more of them is because they are setting up very hard boundaries right now about what is acceptable and what isn't. For a couple who is dating long distance we don't have as many opportunities to see them anyway since both of them are working in separate countries.

After everything that went on with his mother and then look what was done to Kate (and the kids a couple times) ...this is going to be a hard line with them.

IMO they (W&H) are taking a page from their grandmother's book. Private lives are going to stay very private. When they are on 'duty' that's a different story when it comes to pics etc.


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Old 05-22-2017, 11:37 PM
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No one is saying for them to go out and about to perform for people. We're just stating it's going to be better for them when they get to the point where they're comfortable being seen out and about in public. Like Beatrice and Dave (once was), Eugenie and her boyfriend, Zara and Mike, etc.

Everyone respects their desire for privacy and they should have that. Just saying that it's exhausting sneaking about, holding ones heads down and arriving at places separately. It's also tiring to watch...as we did with the Cambridge's during their dating years. It's a heavy lift off these couples shoulders when they no longer have to duck and hide.
I don't know about that. Beatrice & Dave (when they were a couple) and Eugenie & Jack rarely seem to appear as couples that are together in photos. They generally do not touch each other and walk several feet apart. They are very aware of cameras and don't give much to the photographers. But Jack isn't pictured without Eugenie, most people probably don't even recognize him. This is not the case with royal girlfriends of those nearer the throne.
It's not like there have been no photos of Harry and Meghan out and about. We did see photos of Harry and Meghan holding hands when they went out to dinner in February and photos when they went to a play in London in December.
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Old 05-22-2017, 11:41 PM
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Hi MaiaMia_53, I agree with the sentiment of being happy that the tabloids didn't have the opportunity to compare Meghan with Pippa or anyone else. Battle of the bums - gross and so demeaning. All women, all human beings, are much more than body parts. However, I maintain that unless one is concerned with media coverage, then the stealing of any spotlight (according to the media only), does not matter. They are mutually exclusive, and I do not think all of the pap shots of Pippa jogging, biking, shopping in the weeks leading up to her wedding are a mere coincidence

But this is the Prince Harry relationship thread, so on topic, I do not think Meghan was invited to the church, and I think the media needs to move on until there is something to report
I do agree with the last part of your last sentence. In the beginning of course Meghan was not invited because the invitations went out last year before Harry and Meghan were known to be dating. Meghan possibly was later extended an invite in deference to Harry. But as we know, their relationship is too hot of a media topic at the moment, so they proceeded with caution at Pippa's wedding understandably.

Meghan's desire to keep a lower profile has nothing to do with the Middletons already being in the public eye because of their connection to Duchess Kate. There was always going to be media coverage of Pippa's wedding, but it became heightened in a negative way due to the frenzy surrounding M&H's relationship in the lead-up to the Pippa/James wedding.


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It's a bit sad that we have only one grainy photo with reference to the reception. Yes, I know it was a private event but no photos again allows people on other sites to snigger, infer that Meghan wasn't really there for any of Pippa's celebrations, that the romance isn't valid... there is always quite a lot of (unnecessary IMO) sneaking around involved in dating a Royal. There were hardly any photos of Will and Kate in the first couple of years of their dating life and they were living in the same country!

It would be better surely to have lunch or dinner dates or go to the pub as 99% of couples do, especially when Harry is in Toronto, a very laid back town, and let the cards fall where they may as far as paps and onlookers with cell phones are concerned.

At least then, people who don't believe that this a serious romance will have the evidence in front of them before the engagement announcement... The cloak and dagger stuff, the trying desperately for privacy at times when it's not really necessary,... I just find it very irritating.
As I said, I do understand some of your frustration. But there's no need for M&H to justify their relationship or modify their behavior in order to respond to the nasty criticism of trolls.

And check out Lainey Gossip's podcast of May 9, 2017, in which it is revealed that the normally chill Toronto Soho House club members were seen gaping and gawking at Meghan Markle when she ate dinner there recently. Meghan is a well known personality in Toronto, and Torontons are known to pay little attention to celebrities and television personalities. Apparently though, even Torontons have lost their minds over Meghan Markle dating Prince Harry. Can you imagine the reaction if Prince Harry was there eating dinner with Meghan? And remember Soho House is an enclave for high profile people to begin with. As I said, a lot of people have completely lost their minds, which is no fault of Meghan's and Harry's.

Is it any wonder M&H wish to maintain their privacy until people cool their jets and calm down?

I wish that Meghan could continue to share openly with her fans. I miss seeing her fun posts and pictures of her dogs on her Instagram. But her life has changed. And like Harry said, "It's her life and mine." So I will wish them well, and try to monitor my own over-enthusiasm.

And @Pranter, I agree that Meghan and Harry are totally comfortable with each other and do not mind being seen together. More than likely, they do mind negative and OTT slants and frenzied coverage in the media which reflects not only on them, but on the royal family. That's the nature of the beast. I think we have to allow them some breathing room to conduct their relationship as they choose. And meanwhile just try to enjoy all the positives in what hopefully will be the lead-up to an engagement announcement.
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Old 05-23-2017, 12:18 AM
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I don't think I'm a voyeur or gawker, really, just a longtime Royal watcher and Harry supporter. Of course the couple will do things their way. I wish them well, and just wish others did.

I'm just looking forward to the days of seeing them do what normal couple do, go to restaurants and nightspots together, entering and leaving and maybe holding hands! And I am, I confess, a bit disappointed that we have no photos of them together at the reception!
That sounds like gawking. This time around Harry seems to be following the Will and Kate model.
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Old 05-23-2017, 12:23 AM
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I don't think Meghan and Harry would go to this extent to avoid attention usually, it just depends on the event. They didn't mind being seen kissing at the polo event. Imo, like Lainey wrote in her article, there's a careful plan, how Harry and Meghan want to proceed with the media attention, and introducing Meghan to the public. It has to do with Meghan and Harry's future, and they didn't want any bum wars to take away from the wedding. I think there will be more public events, and by the time the engagement comes, they've eased to appearing together with a step by step process.

I'm making a wild assumption, that it'll be much easier for Meghan and Harry after that, not so much planning and thinking ahead will be needed.
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Eugenie, can go out and do as she pleases and is not bothered by reporters. That is not the case for William and Harry. So that is not a fair comparison.

It's been a year now for Harry and Meghan so I don't think they will out in public much at all like now until they announce their engagement.
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Old 05-23-2017, 03:39 AM
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As long as a senior Royal isn't sure that the realtionship will lead to marriage, there is every common sense speaking against giving unnacessary foto-op's to the media. If the relationship breaks up, these pics will be around forever and might do harm as well to the royal as to the EX.

Look at how pic's of Harry and his Exes are brought up again and again at every opportunity.

Meghans long-term carrier could suffer greatly after a breakup - so it is wise of them to go along their relationship as quitly as possible.
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Old 05-23-2017, 04:40 AM
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I think the Duke of Edinburgh sums up the media onslaught and stories the best. He said: "You have mosquitoes. We have the press.". We all know mosquitoes are pest and annoying but we really don't spend a lot of time thinking about them. What we can do though is ahead of time, if we're having an outdoor event, spray the area with Yard Guard to keep them at bay. It seems to me that Harry's PPO and the protection detail that the Middletons hired did earn their pay and do an excellent job.

Here it is a couple of days later and we still don't know for certain a lot of things surrounding the wedding. Did Meghan get invited to the church or not? We don't know. What was the evening party like? We don't know. There's a bazillion stories circulating on various aspects but not one that can say what's what. We saw the bride and the groom and the wedding party and family for a brief time during the wedding day and to be honest, that was all that was allowed the public to see.

As far as Harry and Meghan going out and about to clubs and nightspots and restaurants and among the people, one thing we do have to realize is that before any of that happens, Scotland Yard does what is called a recee where they scope the place out for trouble spots to guarantee security for Harry. It probably was far easier to schedule a visit to a museum after hours than to guarantee security for Harry and Meghan if they were there when it was open to the public. For the wedding alone, Scotland Yard provided four protection officers. One for the kids, one for Harry, one for Kate and one for William. On top of that, the Middletons had their own security detail surrounding the place. They were easily recognizable too during the live stream provided as guests walked the path to the church.

No matter where Harry goes for the rest of his life with or without Meghan, every move he makes and everywhere he goes will be monitored by security. That's life as a royal. So in reality, when Harry and Meghan step out, its not as a couple but as a threesome. Man, woman and PPO. These two marry and it becomes a foursome with two (count 'em) PPOs. That has to be daunting for a couple and would take more getting used to than public attention and tabloid fabrications.

If Meghan had been invited to the church with Harry, she could have easily been there without the crowds outside and the press being able to focus on her and Harry and "overshadow" Pippa and James. Didn't Harry and William sort of arrive themselves by the back way? That probably was due to security measures. Nothing was seen of the reception and the evening party. The security was that good. As it stands, there are "stories" circulating even to the point of being ridiculous. One states that Meghan created a big "faux pas" for wearing a black evening gown. Anything to fit click bait.

I seriously don't believe that anyone associated with these people that did or did not do something concerning the wedding gave a second thought to the people, press or tabloids. To them, they were mosquitoes. The mosquitoes weren't given the chance to bite those that attended the wedding though and that's a job well done in my book.
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If the media hadn't acted so crazy when news of H&M relationship first broke, I believe we would be seeing more of the couple now. Then add to the mx the bitter & jealous rantings of a crazy half-sister whose rage flares up every time a full moon is out doesn't help either. The attacks on Meghan were unprecedented to the point that Harry had to release a statement & I think after that point the couple decided to retreat.

I'm sure H&M would love to be able to do all the things that normal couples do. But let's be real here, if the media got wind of them dining at a restaurant or going for a walk in the park it would cause a frenzy & ruin their moment. The hunger isn't going to die down once they are photographed more, it certainly never did with Diana. I believe this is about the couple setting boundaries & letting the world know that they are calling the shots.

We also don't know the status of their relationship. Most people have them married off already however H&M might not be at that stage yet. Every public outing they make turns into engagement fever so the decision to lie low might also be an attempt on their part to diffuse the engagement talks.

Sensationalist headlines are constantly being written about Meghan even from doing ordinary things like going to the gym. A recent trip to the gym in London had her bum plastered across several front pages. The media have shown time & time again that they have no respect so the couple are well within their rights not to play along. I honestly believe that until there is an engagement the public will only see the odd outings with these two.

As for the trolls let them eat cake! These nut jobs believe every photograph of the couple is fake, that H&M have a contract, that they have broken up since December, and MM is a prostitute. Their level of delusion/insanity/hatred is so strong that no amount of evidence staring them in the face will change that.
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I don't think I'm a voyeur or gawker, really, just a longtime Royal watcher and Harry supporter. Of course the couple will do things their way. I wish them well, and just wish others did.

I'm just looking forward to the days of seeing them do what normal couple do, go to restaurants and nightspots together, entering and leaving and maybe holding hands! And I am, I confess, a bit disappointed that we have no photos of them together at the reception!
I really share your opinion....life is sometimes so sad.... it helps to get a little sunshine
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Eugenie, can go out and do as she pleases and is not bothered by reporters. That is not the case for William and Harry. So that is not a fair comparison.

It's been a year now for Harry and Meghan so I don't think they will out in public much at all like now until they announce their engagement.
Eugenie is getting off topic but-- maybe the reporters (photographers) don't bother her like they do her cousins--but then why do we see so many photos of her leaving restaurants?
But mainly I was pointing out that generally royals dating do not do PDAs with their girlfriends/boyfriends.
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ntering and leaving and maybe holding hands! And I am, I confess, a bit disappointed that we have no photos of them together at the reception!

So am I.

Even though I approve of Pippa and James turning down the deal with HELLO, in a way I wish they'd taken it.

I know...very contradictory...
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I don't think there's one among us that wouldn't love to have the ability to metamorph into the proverbial fly on the wall at times. We can respect the privacy of others yet a certain part of us wants to really be that fly on the wall.

I think we all do want to see Harry and Meghan out and about, holding hands and smiling ear to ear but these are people that cannot just decide they're going to go mall walking and head out the front door and go do it. Everything and anything has to be cleared through security before Harry even puts his beanie on. Its security measures as much as a wish for privacy that dictates how little we actually see of them.

Security is going to be even tighter now, I imagine, since the bombing at the concert in Manchester last night. A concert like that is also something that Harry and Meghan couldn't just decide at the last minute to go to and enjoy. Its all part and parcel of being part of the British royal family and definitely not one of the perks methinks.
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The Telegraph claims that Meghan wore a stunning backless maroon dress to the reception.

No picture, of course, so we'll have to imagine it.
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I just read 2 posters saying that they don't think Meghan was invited to the church ceremony. Now, how exactly do you know this for sure?

Pippa would not do that to Harry, much less tell him that or else he would not have showed up. He loves his girl!

It's my understand that she was invited but they decided together that she should attend the reception only in order to keep the attention on where it should have been --- The Bride!

She did not attend her castmate's wedding for that same reason.
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