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Old 05-22-2017, 09:12 AM
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So they were based at Engelfield House for the wedding I see. I hope they had a good time.
Meghan Markle waited in suite to join Pippa's wedding
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:26 AM
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So they were based at Engelfield House for the wedding I see. I hope they had a good time.
Meghan Markle waited in suite to join Pippa's wedding
That makes a lot more sense than Harry driving all the way back to KP!
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:39 AM
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Yes, that does make sense, and they would be able to spend some hours together on the wedding day in that scenario.

However, Harry was photographed earlier in the day in his shirt sleeves and morning waistcoat, driving AWAY from Enfield House at a time when the champagne and cake reception was taking place there. Some people have said that William was in the back of the car. What was all that about if Harry and Meghan were based in a suite at Engelfield House?

Also surely it would be a bit mean to have someone shut away in a suite in a house where there was a noisy and cheerful reception going on downstairs to which she was not invited.
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:49 AM
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As far as protocol is concerned I don't believe that Kate has ever called William 'Sir' in public or in private ever in her life, nor does she on many occasions walk two steps behind.

Also Sophie has to defer to HM, Charles, Camilla and at times to the York princesses, now. I don't see that has caused her a huge amount of angst. When Charles is King Sophie will have to defer to both Kate and to Meghan (if she and Harry marry) so it's all in the natural progression of things isn't it?
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:55 AM
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The press has been wrong about mostly everything dealing with this wedding. They have changed their story and contradicted themselves on where Meghan was about 3 times now. They have no clue. It seems they are just throwing out stories and hoping one of them is true.
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:13 AM
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Yes, that does make sense, and they would be able to spend some hours together on the wedding day in that scenario.



However, Harry was photographed earlier in the day in his shirt sleeves and morning waistcoat, driving AWAY from Enfield House at a time when the champagne and cake reception was taking place there. Some people have said that William was in the back of the car. What was all that about if Harry and Meghan were based in a suite at Engelfield House?



Also surely it would be a bit mean to have someone shut away in a suite in a house where there was a noisy and cheerful reception going on downstairs to which she was not invited.


Why would William be in the car with Harry and the RPO? William had his own car. He probably drove Kate and the kids back to the Middletons' house after the reception. George and Charlotte would need car seats.
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:37 AM
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Whisking the kids away back to Nanny Maria is the scenario that makes the most sense to me. The kids would be able to be themselves, wear their play clothes and nap while mom and dad enjoyed the wedding festivities.

And... who better to take the kids than good ol' Uncle Harry driving them there while Dad takes charge in the back seat.
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:47 AM
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Whisking the kids away back to Nanny Maria is the scenario that makes the most sense to me. The kids would be able to be themselves, wear their play clothes and nap while mom and dad enjoyed the wedding festivities.

And... who better to take the kids than good ol' Uncle Harry driving them there while Dad takes charge in the back seat.
Nanny Maria was at the church, so it stands to reason that she went to Englefield House to tend to the children. Surely there was a driver to take Maria & the kids back to the Middletons' house, and if so, neither prince would be needed for either driving or child minding purposes. Unless they just wanted a break for a few minutes, which I can certainly understand. Families are great, but sometimes you just need to get away
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:51 AM
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The kids needed to be at Engelfield after church to take the pictures. The Harry and RPO picture shows up in the afternoon way before the evening party. Even if Nanny Maria takes the kids back or they were in Buckleberry before and didn't come with their parents, William and Kate would still need to drive back to Kate's parents and we know they have their own car. Harry isn't necessarily staying at Kate's parents prior to the evening party but the Cambridges sure are.

No way was Harry driving the kids.
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:58 AM
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The kids needed to be at Engelfield after church to take the pictures. The Harry and RPO picture shows up in the afternoon way before the evening party. Even if Nanny Maria takes the kids back or they were in Buckleberry before and didn't come with their parents, William and Kate would still need to drive back to Kate's parents and we know they have their own car. Harry isn't necessarily staying at Kate's parents prior to the evening party but the Cambridges sure are.

No way was Harry driving the kids.
Exactly. So we still don't know why Harry was driving from Englefield at the time the reception was happening. Maybe Meghan realized she forgot to pack mascara, so Harry was going to the nearest pharmacy I wonder if he snuck a piece of wedding cake and a glass of champagne to her in their suite.
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Old 05-22-2017, 12:07 PM
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I bought this topic up as a discussion I didn't say it was going to happen. I thought it was interesting to discuss but some people have taken it the wrong way. But I will say that people don't have to marry these days and she wouldn't be his mistress she would be his partner

I think this is an interesting idea. However, it's not practical for the BRF. If the partner plan could have occurred, I think Charles and Camilla would stayed unmarried. Of course that was years ago, but I think the same rules apply. Long-term relationships in the BRF should occur within marriage. So, I think Harry and Meghan will likely get engaged by the end of the year (or beginning of next year) or go their separate ways. Just my opinion.
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Old 05-22-2017, 12:27 PM
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If they never marry and are just partners, any kids would not be in line of succession nor would they be able to inherit Harry's titles if given or use any courtesy titles. Plus it looks bad, if the son of Head of the Church of England isn't married with kids out of wedlock. The daughter of Princess Alexandra still got married when she became pregnant beforehand. Some of the Lascelles are born out of wedlock but they are way down the line, not the son and brother of the future Kings.
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Old 05-22-2017, 12:40 PM
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As his consort she'll be bound by protocol and culture to walk two steps behind him and address him as "Sir" in public and in front of others at events.

As the wife of someone who has been moved down to fifth in line, hse will have to defer to HM, Charles, Camilla, William, and Kate; likely to the two York princesses who are born blood princesses and are thus higher in rank.

This is not a world or culture based on equality and I do believe that it is something that Meg might in fact have serious problems adjusting to.

The "equal partner" comment was made (I believe) in reference to a "what if Harry and Meghan don't marry" type scenario - would Meghan as long term unmarried partner of Harry be equal to Meghan as wife of Harry? Which of course, the answer is no.

That said, the protocol you say exists for the spouse of a royal... I don't think it exists. We don't see Kate deliberately walking behind William - or Camilla going so with Charles, or Sophie with Edward, or the DoE with the Queen. I mean, yes, the spouses let the royal do any greetings first, but after that they tend to be walking with their spouse, not behind them. And I don't think we've ever once seen Kate, Camilla, Sophie, or the DoE refer to their spouse as sir/ma'am while in public.
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Old 05-22-2017, 12:48 PM
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I think this is an interesting idea. However, it's not practical for the BRF. If the partner plan could have occurred, I think Charles and Camilla would stayed unmarried. Of course that was years ago, but I think the same rules apply. Long-term relationships in the BRF should occur within marriage. So, I think Harry and Meghan will likely get engaged by the end of the year (or beginning of next year) or go their separate ways. Just my opinion.

I don't think Charles wanted the partner plan, and that's why it didn't happen there - well, not forever, as he and Camilla were together and unmarried to others for about 10 years before they married.

I do often think Andrew and Sarah have somewhat of a partner plan going on now - I'm not certain that they're monogamous, but I certainly think they're "together" in a way that works for them, without them being married (again).

There are others in the family I could see having somewhat of a partner plan as well - neither Beatrice nor Eugenie seem in a rush to get married, and while Beatrice is now single, Eugenie has been with Jack for six years or so.

And of course looking into history, the sons of George III were somewhat notorious for avoiding marriage and having long term relationships with women their father wouldn't let them marry.
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Old 05-22-2017, 12:50 PM
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After watching royal girlfriends all these years...I think it's safe to say it's not easy being a royal girlfriend. With being married in the royal gilded cage, there's still more freedom than being the royal girlfriend.
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Old 05-22-2017, 01:14 PM
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The "equal partner" comment was made (I believe) in reference to a "what if Harry and Meghan don't marry" type scenario - would Meghan as long term unmarried partner of Harry be equal to Meghan as wife of Harry? Which of course, the answer is no.

That said, the protocol you say exists for the spouse of a royal... I don't think it exists. We don't see Kate deliberately walking behind William - or Camilla going so with Charles, or Sophie with Edward, or the DoE with the Queen. I mean, yes, the spouses let the royal do any greetings first, but after that they tend to be walking with their spouse, not behind them. And I don't think we've ever once seen Kate, Camilla, Sophie, or the DoE refer to their spouse as sir/ma'am while in public.
Bit in bold: that's exactly what I meant, you explained it much better. Thank you!

Lainey Imo, again, is absolutely correct with this article.
Meghan Markle kept a low profile at Pippa's wedding with Prince Harry
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Old 05-22-2017, 01:54 PM
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To a certain extent, I think the questions about whether Pippa invited Meghan to the ceremony or if anyone was concerned about upstaging are a little bit beside the point. Quite frankly, I just don't think Harry and Meghan seem to be quite ready for an outing where they're properly photographed in a somewhat formal capacity.

What we've seen from them so far, photo wise:
-One or the other alone, totally ignoring cameras, in casual/everyday mode but in places where he/she would only be if visiting the other (Meghan coming back to KP with groceries, Meghan at the airport, Harry arriving at her home in Toronto)
-The pair together, holding hands, but still dressed quite casually in an everyday sort of mode, not hiding but not seeming fully inviting of the attention from the photographers (headed to or from entertainment in London)
-grainy, long-lens shots of them at the wedding in Jamaica (which seem to have been higher quality photos than the pair assumed would be possible for paparazzi to get at that venue) or kissing between cars at the polo match
-a single instance of Meghan dressing up to participate in a Harry-related social event, but without Harry

Things are ramping up, but given the pace they seem to have chosen, I wouldn't find it at all surprising if they weren't quite ready for the next step up in embracing the press until Meghan's had a few more solo photo ops like the one on the viewing stand at the polo match.

Seeing now just how close Pippa decided to let the photo gaggle get and how many clear, close shots they managed to get of wedding guests of interest, it just seems to me that it would have been skipping ahead a little in terms of Harry and Meghan's tightly controlled dance with the press.
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Old 05-22-2017, 02:04 PM
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The more I've read, the more I'm coming to realize that whether or not Meghan was invited to the wedding ceremony isn't really pointing to anything because, when we think about it, there were other people that James and Pippa invited to the evening party and not the actual ceremony. Does attending only the evening party make a guest less important than those that attended the ceremony? I don't think so.

We've seen the interior of the church and we've seen the size of the glass structure set up for the party. Its obvious to me that the size of the crowds for each event was different.

Meghan wasn't being singled out nor was she anything else than someone that Pippa and James invited, along with other people they wanted to be there, to the larger evening party.

We will never know the particulars of the ins and outs and the whys and wherefores of how the day actually went and I'd just like to think that everything went very smoothly and it was the perfect day and the perfect wedding for Pippa and James. In the long run, that actually is all that matters.
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If it is true that Meghan didn't go to the wedding to avoid upstaging the bride, then it would sound to me like a very arrogant assumption on Meghan's part and a very rude thing to do, especially if her reasons for not going were leaked to press. I doubt that is true though.


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To a certain extent, I think the questions about whether Pippa invited Meghan to the ceremony or if anyone was concerned about upstaging are a little bit beside the point. Quite frankly, I just don't think Harry and Meghan seem to be quite ready for an outing where they're properly photographed in a somewhat formal capacity.

What we've seen from them so far, photo wise:
-One or the other alone, totally ignoring cameras, in casual/everyday mode but in places where he/she would only be if visiting the other (Meghan coming back to KP with groceries, Meghan at the airport, Harry arriving at her home in Toronto)
-The pair together, holding hands, but still dressed quite casually in an everyday sort of mode, not hiding but not seeming fully inviting of the attention from the photographers (headed to or from entertainment in London)
-grainy, long-lens shots of them at the wedding in Jamaica (which seem to have been higher quality photos than the pair assumed would be possible for paparazzi to get at that venue) or kissing between cars at the polo match
-a single instance of Meghan dressing up to participate in a Harry-related social event, but without Harry

Things are ramping up, but given the pace they seem to have chosen, I wouldn't find it at all surprising if they weren't quite ready for the next step up in embracing the press until Meghan's had a few more solo photo ops like the one on the viewing stand at the polo match.

Seeing now just how close Pippa decided to let the photo gaggle get and how many clear, close shots they managed to get of wedding guests of interest, it just seems to me that it would have been skipping ahead a little in terms of Harry and Meghan's tightly controlled dance with the press.
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If it is true that Meghan didn't go to the wedding to avoid upstaging the bride, then it would sound to me like a very arrogant assumption on Meghan's part and a very rude thing to do, especially if her reasons for not going were leaked to press. I doubt that is true though.
I think it is being realistic or pragmatic, rather than an arrogant assumption.

I think I tend to agree with the poster that said Harry and Meghan are not ready to be photographed "officially" as a couple. William and Kate attended weddings together before they were engaged, but never arrived together to be photographed as a couple until just before they announced their engagement.
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