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Old 04-22-2017, 08:26 PM
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I was trying to say the weren't multiethnic. I was just trying to show (badly) that most people don't know their is diversity in European royal families. The average American probably doesn't know Lichtenstein has a princely family and maybe a small percent know the head, so I don't expect them to know who Princess Angela is. If her father is barely known, then I don't think Lady Davina is common knowledge or the ethnicity of her husband. Yes, Countess Alexandra was known but now most people may not remember her or Prince Joachim as much. So Meghan marrying into the most famous royal family would definitely be seen and could bring attention to those like Prince Felix and Princess Angela showing the diversity of Europe's ruling families.
My point exactly!!!
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What we do know is that no matter what Meghan's makeup is, he's extremely happy with the whole package. Those little things don't matter and should they decide to marry, they still won't matter and should they have children, it still won't matter. Not one bit.
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Old 04-22-2017, 10:28 PM
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My point exactly!!!
When you make the statement 'all people who marry into European monarchies are white' we can be forgiven for believing you are saying exactly that.

Your post didn't mention the public and their lack of knowledge of other families. Simply a blatantly wrong statement royals only marry white people. Which is clearly not true.

How is Meghan going to bring attention to other diversity? If people in America aren't aware of Lichtebstein now they aren't going to know about it from Meghan. Unless one thinks she will seek out and befriend other multi racial royals.
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Old 04-22-2017, 10:32 PM
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I think we're treading on treacherous ground discussing racial issues whether it be one person or one country or all of Europe. Its a subject our moderators have asked us to steer clear of and we wouldn't want this thread closed down yet again.
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Old 04-22-2017, 10:37 PM
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I have read on other forums and on social media though that black people living in Britain are quite intrigued that a biracial woman may be entering the senior ranks of the BRF. And that will be a first, in spite of possible remote Portugese ancestors of Queen Charlotte.
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I find it amazing that when it all boils down, what we are actually discussing is the level of melanocytes in a person's biological makeup. Known as melanin, we all have it. Some people just have more and some people just have less.

No difference than that some people have the brown eyed gene dominant in their makeup and some have the blue eyed gene dominant. Some even get the genes mixed up and end up with green, violet, hazel and gray eyes.

Silly when you think its really an issue eh?
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Old 04-22-2017, 11:53 PM
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Race is a social construct, but to paraphrase the work of a writer who did some incredible work this week- so are a lot of things. Money is a social construct, but it has real impacts on people's lives. If I declare myself a billionaire tomorrow and tell everyone money is a social construct- well, it's not going to go well for me.


So... in the end, is race a real thing that is useful to categorize people? No. It's based on some really toxic and outdated ideas. Is it a thing that has really impacted people and continues to do so? Absolutely.


For that reason: it will be a very big deal to a lot of little black girls to see a black girl become a princess. To see a black woman become the mother in law of a prince. It would be a beautiful, powerful symbol of moving on from a history that has hurt a lot of people.

It's part of why I hope this works out- because I know how many little girls would find it special to see a girl who looks like them and comes from a family like theirs join the royal family. I get a bit teary eyed when I think about it.
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Old 04-23-2017, 01:10 AM
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Please get back on topic. The moderating team have requested previously that racial issues not be brought up as it always ends badly.

If you wish to discuss race, do so elsewhere. Further posts on the matter will be removed, and warnings given to members who continually bring off-topic discussions to this thread.
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Old 04-24-2017, 11:29 PM
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Well, on the positive side, I'm hoping Meghan's and Harry's relationship doesn't end badly. And that Meghan herself will not be constrained from being fully herself should they marry. Hopefully they both will be able to balance respect for royal traditions with thumbing their noses at died-in-the-wool conservative and boring expectations.

For those who may have missed this interesting discussion by Lainey (of Lainey gossip fame) & Duana on their 'Show Your Work' podcast: Show Your Work Podcast

Scroll down to April 10 show: the first half of that podcast episode has a lively discussion about Meghan's and Harry's relationship and speculation surrounding what Meghan closing down her Tig lifestyle blog might mean.
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Prince Harry won widespread praise last week by breaking royal protocol to make a series of deeply personal revelations about coping with the death of his mother.

But according to insiders, he may never have spoken out about his mental health if it wasn't for his girlfriend Meghan Markle.

Friends have suggested it was the American actress who urged the royal to speak publicly about his experience of coping with grief at a young age.

Harry, 32, revealed last week that he had sought counselling after two years of 'chaos' following the death of his mother Princess Diana, who died in 1997 when he was just 12 years old.

And a royal source has suggested Meghan, 35, is responsible. 'Harry feel for Meghan partly because she's so open, and has that American attitude of saying, "Let's talk about our feelings,"' they told Closer magazine.

'He comes from such a stiff-upper-lip culture, but Meghan helped him open up.'

Meghan's mother Doria Ragland is a yoga therapist, and until recently the actress ran a glossy lifestyle blog called The Tig, packed with 'inspirational' memes and messages of support for her followers.
READ MORE: Meghan Markle helped Prince Harry talk about his emotions | Daily Mail Online
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Old 04-25-2017, 08:27 AM
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I have nothing against Meghan at all, as you all know! However, Harry sought counselling two years ago, before Meg, and the process undoubtedly gave him techniques about opening up to others. Plus Harry has never been a Royal IMO who has been cautious about showing his feelings. He's always been an open sort of person, too open sometimes no doubt, but I doubt he made that recent podcast at his girlfriend's urging, even though I'm sure she is very supportive of what he's done in Heads Together.
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I think that's the gist of it in a nutshell. Meghan probably discussed what Harry was going to do with the interview for Heads Together and he knew she was in his corner supporting him. So was his family.

I seriously think that if Harry hadn't sought counseling when he did, he most likely wouldn't be the free and easy person he is today. He's always been open and sometimes wears his heart on his sleeve and you can tell what he's feeling but the undercurrents of anger seem to have dissipated.
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The source is Closer magazine from Australia....which is notorious for creating fake news.

I sure she provided support but this article is pure tabloid fake news.
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Old 04-25-2017, 09:29 AM
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The source is Closer magazine from Australia....which is notorious for creating fake news.

I sure she provided support but this article is pure tabloid fake news.
Closure (the French branch) is also the magazine that Will and Kate sued for publishing the topless photos of Kate sunbathing on private property while staying in France.

I definitely wouldn't take anything from this publication as truth.
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Its a click bait article.
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Old 04-25-2017, 10:12 AM
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I think that's the gist of it in a nutshell. Meghan probably discussed what Harry was going to do with the interview for Heads Together and he knew she was in his corner supporting him. So was his family.

I seriously think that if Harry hadn't sought counseling when he did, he most likely wouldn't be the free and easy person he is today. He's always been open and sometimes wears his heart on his sleeve and you can tell what he's feeling but the undercurrents of anger seem to have dissipated.
Based on previous behavior and what has been said by he and William...I think if he hadn't of gotten help he would have crashed and burned by now.


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Old 04-25-2017, 10:15 PM
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I have to admit that I find myself confounded at the number of posts (now deleted), whose dialogue intimately dissected Meghan's race and possible or probable religion had generated. So very many pages of pontification.

I may be shallow or it could be where I live, but when Harry made his plea to the media to stop invading Meghan and her family's privacy the only thing I thought was wow, Harry has a girlfriend and doing this makes it serious.

I immediately hit the internet in search of any and hopefully all information out there about this strange new creature (and am still learning more). Who was she, where did she came from and the answers were very surprising.

In short, she didn't fit in a box like his two previous 'serious' relationships, but from what I had gleaned, I was impressed:

a. She wasn't a blue-eyed blonde but a brown-eyed brunette which, in itself, was somewhat surprising.

b. She was an American actress and also a divorce. Oh no, I thought, parallels will be drawn with Wallis Simpson.

c. She is a well-educated woman with a double major in theatre and international relations. Even more interesting, she has a job or, more correctly, she is an actress with a career. Has Harry ever dated a woman with an actual normal, if not demanding, job let alone a career?

d. She is a self-confessed feminist who puts her time and energy into humanitarian pursuits while maintaining her own blog and also an occasional model.

So okay, this woman is obviously not a lightweight. I mean, he sort of grew up with Chelsey and she wasn't brainless, just young. And I still don't know what Cressida was all about, she who in her 20's, aspired to be a dancer (she was a decade too late for that career). There never seemed to be any chemistry or even romance between them, but it sure brought her publicity.

So now we have Meghan, an American divorcee who is a career actress and a self-proclaimed feminist, all positive negatives in a candidate for Harry's wife. More importantly, it seemed she wasn't one to let the grass grow under her feet or to waste a good education, being employed in one area of her educational interest and actively pursuing humanitarian work.

She worked for the United Nations Entity for Gender Equality and the Empowerment of Women and as a UN Women's advocate for political participation and leadership, was invited to give a speech at the UN for International Women's Day where Ban Ki-Moon stood up and shook her hand afterwards.

She was also a Counsellor for international charity 'One Young World', speaking at the annual summit in Dublin on the topics of gender equality and modern-day slavery in 2014. She also attended the Ottawa summit2016. In 2016 she was also appointed a Global Ambassador for World Vision Canada.

Not only did she sound interesting and she must also be blessed with an abundance of energy to live the way she did and does, in fact, 'The Aesthete' called her a polymath! It seems she also has a hefty dose of psychological altruism. My first thought was, "where does she find time to fit a boyfriend in?" - Harry was dating superwoman!

All of which begs the question, when does she find time to have a romantic relationship with Harry?
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Just proves one doesn't have to wait around for years to be available any time the prince calls. She balances a romance like the majority of women out there who have jobs, hobbies, friends and interests outside their boyfriend. Not all women are fortunate to have months off from from filming schedule either. The idea being a royal girlfriend has to be ones job is sorely out dated.
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Well, on the positive side, I'm hoping Meghan's and Harry's relationship doesn't end badly. And that Meghan herself will not be constrained from being fully herself should they marry. Hopefully they both will be able to balance respect for royal traditions with thumbing their noses at died-in-the-wool conservative and boring expectations.
Agree on both counts.

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For those who may have missed this interesting discussion by Lainey (of Lainey gossip fame) & Duana on their 'Show Your Work' podcast: Show Your Work Podcast

Scroll down to April 10 show: the first half of that podcast episode has a lively discussion about Meghan's and Harry's relationship and speculation surrounding what Meghan closing down her Tig lifestyle blog might mean.
Thank you so much for the link, MaiaMia. What a fun conversation! Their analysis is pretty on-point in my view.
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All of which begs the question, when does she find time to have a romantic relationship with Harry?

The distance probably actually helps in a lot of ways.

When he was with Chelsy and Cressida there was definitely an appearance of them being women who didn't have much going on, enabling them to be with Harry whenever it was that he was free - his schedule, between his time in the military and his various royal/family obligations, made scheduling difficult, so his girlfriend and to be available whenever - your standard job makes that difficult.

We saw this a lot too with Kate - she had a part time job for about a year, then worked with her family's business, both which enabled her to work her schedule around William's availability.

With Meghan, though, because she's based out of the UK, she's not set working around Harry - if she's in Toronto and he's in London then her day is going to largely be about her, not about her boyfriend. Things'll likely be dropped when he makes a trip out to see her, or if she's able to make a trip to see him, but day-to-day... it's a bit different.

I would add too that her accomplishments, which are definitely notable, don't necessarily add up to a hugely busy life. Suits isn't a typical 9 to 5, 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year with 2 weeks of vacation type of job - she works for a couple months filming half a season, then has a few months off, before filming the next half a season for a couple months. That leaves a fair bit of time for other projects - unlike many other actors, she has used that time more for humanitarian work than other acting work.
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