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Old 04-15-2017, 09:27 PM
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She'll be marrying into a family and country with a class system. Americans don't get a pass.

Her background and family will matter in 'polite' social circles.
So what. People in 'polite' social circles as you refer, descended from somewhere too. If they are not accepting of others it speaks volumes about them and their poor social skills. You can be born into class and actually have none, what is to really be proud of then.
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Old 04-15-2017, 09:34 PM
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No matter who Meghan's relatives are and how many nuts fall out of her family tree when it is given a good shaken, it has nothing whatsoever to do with Meghan herself, her personality, her values and her character.

From all reports, Meghan seems to be a very well rounded individual with many interest, a warm heart and she also has a sense of commitment to whatever it is she takes on. From all aspects, she's been quite successful in varied things that she has put her efforts into.

Should this couple decide to marry, Harry is one lucky man and has hit the proverbial jackpot.
I totally agree, Osipi. There's nothing for Harry to "run" away from. She's a great young woman and she's got a great young man. Long may their happiness together continue.
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Old 04-15-2017, 09:36 PM
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I agree with you DeeT. "Polite" society are just words that seem to denote the exclusion of anyone that isn't a carbon copy of themselves. They all must love the same opera on a Thursday night, put in appearances at the "right" restaurants and by all means sponsor the same high brow artistic salons that Lord Snout founded in the 16th century. They are the ones that coined the phrase "marrying up" or "above their station".

All totally irrelevant in the 21st century. Snobby is as snobby does in my book.
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Old 04-15-2017, 09:40 PM
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I don't care much for her background. They did the same thing to Kate and none of it matters if they really care about and love each other.
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Old 04-15-2017, 09:41 PM
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I would love to have one example of any act by Meghan Markle that could be classified as vulgar.
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Old 04-15-2017, 09:45 PM
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I would love to have one example of any act by Meghan Markle that could be classified as vulgar.
I really don't think there is one to be had. The challenge though has been issued and I'd love to see credible sources that denote any "vulgar" actions.
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Old 04-15-2017, 10:13 PM
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It will be interesting to see where Meghan fits into the British class system. She'll be the most 'commoner' bride in generations.

I thought Kate was pretty common also as far as 'status' goes.


Americans have been marrying into the British upper classes for well over 100 years ...this is nothing new (assuming they marry).


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Old 04-15-2017, 10:14 PM
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She'll be marrying into a family and country with a class system. Americans don't get a pass.

Her background and family will matter in 'polite' social circles.
But even before Harry Meghan like most Americans are able to network and manage multiple classes and social circles. The lines between social classes are not as pronounced as they are in England which is maybe why Meghan seems to associate with many classes with ease. She associates with Mulroneys, Trudeaus.......to Americans it really is not that big of a deal....We are taught networking as a social and professional skill before graduating.......which allows us to negotiate different classes with confidence.

We know those polite social circles ARE NOT THAT polite.
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Old 04-15-2017, 10:25 PM
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Americans have been marrying into the British upper classes for well over 100 years ...this is nothing new (assuming they marry).
Frances Work comes to mind. Harry's great-great-grandmother.
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Old 04-15-2017, 10:40 PM
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She'll be marrying into a family and country with a class system. Americans don't get a pass.

Her background and family will matter in 'polite' social circles.
I don't understand what this means. Saying 'polite' social circles....'polite' like that, and not getting a pass. This is all code to me. Could someone translate for me? What is the issue?
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Frances Work comes to mind. Harry's great-great-grandmother.
Lady Churchill (more than one American), Duchess of Manchester, Lady Cunard, Duchess of Roxburghe, Countess of Yarmouth, Countess of Granard, Marchioness of Kedleston, the infamous Viscountess Furness (Thelma)....

There's quite a few more.


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Old 04-15-2017, 11:38 PM
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It is extremely low class to even bring up the topic of Meghan's ancestral relatives from as late as the 1850s in America, whom could have been slaves. What does that have to do with a woman who was born in 1982?

Nothing!

Is this how desperate people have become in trying to diminish this woman, her accomplishments, her existence? She'll be a Duchess in due time, and there's nothing, nothing you can say, or exaggerate that will change that. Nothing. She will be a member of the British Royal Family, and I'm so proud of her!
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Old 04-15-2017, 11:42 PM
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Meghan has ended all affiliation with her very successful Reitman's modeling/clothing range designs.

Meghan Markle quits her Reitmans ambassador role | Daily Mail Online
Very interesting. She has now closed down two very lucrative sources of income in a short time span. For no really apparent reason other than Imo a very near future engagement. The Tig closing could've been tied to all the negative tabloid press it created out of every comma and exclamation point, but Reitman contract created no such things. I'm putting my bets on this being her last season on Suits.

Imo this also shuts down all the talk about how this relationship benefits Meghan career, money and benefit wise. She's literally closing all channels it might have benefited her in.

(I'm going to be bold, and suggest, that they already might be privately engaged for her to do all this legwork. I mean that's BIG money she's shutting down, and I doubt she'd do this if she didn't feel extremely sure and secure in this relationship and its future.)
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Old 04-15-2017, 11:51 PM
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Harry's wedding will be similar to his aunt's in 1973

Military style wedding at Westminster-in November. Prince Harry will most likely be in military uniform. I can see him wearing a red uniform, an Army uniform. He won't be wearing a Navy uniform.

He could have a lavish, state wedding at St. Paul's like his dad in 1981. Remember, Harry is more popular than William worldwide. Harry has charisma, street smarts, and more attention than The Duke of Cambridge.

He'll want this wedding to be memorable, I see a state wedding. It's what Britain needs. It's what the world needs. Joy and Happiness.

Prince and Princess Henry will name their son, David, after himself and the country of Wales. Their son should be styled a HRH, Prince David of Wales.
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Old 04-15-2017, 11:54 PM
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(I'm going to be bold, and suggest, that they already might be privately engaged for her to do all this legwork. I mean that's BIG money she's shutting down, and I doubt she'd do this if she didn't feel extremely sure and secure in this relationship and its future.)
This is very much a possibility. If these two know where their relationship is headed, they could already have made the commitment to each other that they will marry. They're not going to publicly announce anything though until things behind the scene have already been worked out and planned. Not only Meghan's disassociation with her own various interests and her acting contract which she'll finish out but also, as the wedding is usually within a pretty short time period after the announcement of the engagement, a lot of the behind the scenes planning will already have been worked out.

Nothing happens overnight with the BRF and nothing is done without careful planning for anything that might arise. Things run like clockwork because every consideration is taken beforehand.
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Old 04-15-2017, 11:57 PM
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I doubt it would be in November as the BRF will be celebrating the Queen and Philip's 70th wedding anniversary in November at the Abbey.

Popularity is irrelevant to the size of the wedding. It is place in the line of succession. There is no way that the 5th in line to the throne can have a grander wedding than the 2nd in line so it won't be grander than William's and thus it won't be a State Wedding. The last wedding that was a State Occasion was Charles and Diana's and there is no way that their second son is going to have what their elder one didn't.

What the rest of the world wants is irrelevant. It is what the British want and are prepared to pay for.

William is the heir and that is what makes his wedding the standard above which neither his brother or his cousins can go and the Queen and Charles won't allow that. They know the protocol.

I can easily see a wedding at St George's next year some time but I am not sold on this relationship as it is in short bursts here and there rather than a constant one. Having tried a long-distance relationship on two occasions I know this much - until one of them moves permanently to the other's country to see if they really want to make it work rather than just spending short periods of time together, effectively in holiday mode all the time, they aren't going anywhere.

Harry's relationships have all been intense with rumours of engagements etc going on for years at occasions before failing and I don't see this as being any different - yet.
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Old 04-16-2017, 12:01 AM
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I doubt it would be in November as the BRF will be celebrating the Queen and Philip's 70th wedding anniversary in November at the Abbey.

Popularity is irrelevant to the size of the wedding. It is place in the line of succession. There is no way that the 5th in line to the throne can have a grander wedding than the 2nd in line so it won't be grander than William's and thus it won't be a State Wedding. The last wedding that was a State Occasion was Charles and Diana's and there is no way that their second son is going to have what their eldest one didn't.

What the rest of the world wants is irrelevant. It is what the British want and are prepared to pay for.

William is the heir and that is what makes his wedding the standard above which neither his brother or his cousins can go and the Queen and Charles won't allow that. They know the protocol.

I can easily see a wedding at St George's next year some time but I am not sold on this relationship as it is in short bursts here and there rather than a constant one. Having tried a long-distance relationship on two occasions I know this much - until one of them moves permanently to the other's country to see if they really want to make it work rather than just spending short periods of time together, effectively in holiday mode all the time, they aren't going anywhere.

Harry's relationships have all been intense with rumours of engagements etc going on for years at occasions before failing and I don't see this as being any different - yet.

Then it is going to be at Westminster. In October. George's wedding will be huge for the world when he gets older. He's already a handsome prince. You don't think girls will go nuts over George, just like they are on his uncle?
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Old 04-16-2017, 12:08 AM
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Very interesting. She has now closed down two very lucrative sources of income in a short time span. For no really apparent reason other than Imo a very near future engagement. The Tig closing could've been tied to all the negative tabloid press it created out of every comma and exclamation point, but Reitman contract created no such things. I'm putting my bets on this being her last season on Suits.

Imo this also shuts down all the talk about how this relationship benefits Meghan career, money and benefit wise. She's literally closing all channels it might have benefited her in.

(I'm going to be bold, and suggest, that they already might be privately engaged for her to do all this legwork. I mean that's BIG money she's shutting down, and I doubt she'd do this if she didn't feel extremely sure and secure in this relationship and its future.)
Reitmans is kind of a big deal. It is a form of income and for her to sever her contract it seems she is surely retreating from public life.
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Old 04-16-2017, 12:50 AM
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Meghan Markle is class, kindness, style, generosity and inspiration personified. She was raised by both of her parents to embrace who she is and to embrace life, and also to create her own identity and not allow others to label her. She's a very together person.

I think in part Meghan gets her caring heart and kindness from her mother (who is a social worker and a yoga instructor). From her father, Meghan appears to have gained her interest in the acting profession. Meghan has mentioned being nurtured, supported and encouraged by both of her parents. Despite the fact that her parents divorced when she was very young, they remained on the same page about giving their daughter the best of everything, which breeds confidence and a sense of purpose. Meghan has got loads of both.

Meghan indicates that her parents share a love of antiques and that they would join together in taking her on vacations when she was growing up. So, apparently Meghan did not experience much angst as a child of divorce, unlike Diana, Princess of Wales, and indeed Princes Harry and William too. So kudos to Meghan's parents in that and in many other respects.

To the poster who mentioned Meghan's father's ancestry, reportedly he's Dutch-Irish. Her mother's white ancestors may hail from England and/or Scotland, possibly Ireland. I'm sure we will find out in more detail once an engagement is announced.

As far as Meghan having ancestors who were slaves, if we go back far enough, we're likely to find that slavery and/or indentured servitude existed in quite a few families' ancestral backgrounds throughout the history of mankind. And we know how hard slaves worked and how much they had to overcome just to survive; and many also fought for and won their freedom before the Emancipation Proclamation. It also pays to remember that all of the labels and divisions we bandy about casually are man-made separations, which have no bearing on the reality of human evolution. Interestingly, the wife of King George III (Sophie Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz) is said to have had African ancestry on her mother's side via Portuguese ancestors -- unsurprising since the Moors ruled Spain, Portugal and other parts of Europe in ancient times.

Back to Meghan. There's not a 'vulgar' bone in her body. So we should probably put that to rest and focus on Meghan and Harry. With the revelation that Meghan declined to renew her contract with Reitmans last December, it seems to me that there is a lot going on behind-the-scenes with preparations for an engagement and an eventual marriage. And, as other posters have suggested, Meghan & Harry appear to have already made a very serious commitment to each other privately.

I can't see any scenario where Meghan would be abruptly and completely giving up lucrative projects like her lifestyle blog and her contract with Reitmans if she and Harry were not planning on staying in their relationship for keeps. In other words, I'm betting Harry can hardly wait to put a ring on it!
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