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Old 04-14-2017, 02:23 PM
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Yes, that is why I said end of season, listing March as the season finale.

I don't think Harry and Meghan are immune to the fact that her tv show causes reservations for some. Having a public engagement when her show is still airing seems unlikely. They may get engaged earlier but I don't see an announcement prior to the season finale aired.

Honestly I would be surprised if an engagement was announced before fall/winter. No idea how the season runs on the show since I've never seen it.


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Old 04-14-2017, 04:23 PM
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One thing I've read several times is that no matter where a royal goes, they are provided with around the clock RPOs. Their paychecks are doled out from the Metropolitan Police. When a royal travels on their own such as Harry flying to Toronto for a few days, their hotel bills and expenses are met by the royal themselves. The paycheck side of things is what the taxpayer's float. The luxurious hotels, they don't. For official engagements and foreign tours, this part falls under the category where HM, The Queen kicks in and pays for.

Being a RPO has its ups and down I think. You get to travel the world and stay in very nice lodgings and have respectable down times but for a married RPO with a family, it has the drawbacks such as this trip to Toronto possibly being over the Easter holiday. Like everything else in this world, there's balance. A good side and a bad side.

This is how I understand it to be anyways. Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

On another note regarding an engagement. When they get engaged and when it is announced is two horses of different colors. They could already be engaged and have the intention to marry but before any announcements are made, there's a lot of work and plans behind the scenes that happens first. We know that once the announcement is made, the wedding usually is within a short time afterwards. (W&K announced their intent to marry in Nov. 2010 and married in April 2011). H&M wouldn't announce an engagement tomorrow with the side note that the wedding won't be until 2019 or similar.
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Old 04-14-2017, 04:28 PM
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I think he has already asked Meghan to marry him. Just a feeling I have. I think a formal engagement announcement will come this summer, with a wedding between November 2017 and January 2018. I think they're a great couple.
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Old 04-14-2017, 04:36 PM
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I think he has already asked Meghan to marry him. Just a feeling I have. I think a formal engagement announcement will come this summer, with a wedding between November 2017 and January 2018. I think they're a great couple.
Wow - a winter wedding, seems a bit early to me. Even though Harry is now 5th in the line of succession, there'll be massive interest and crowds will turn out for his wedding to whomever he marries for that reason it'd be easier if his wedding is held in better weather, IMO.
I've always hoped that Princess Eugenie would marry in winter (preferably w/ snow) as I think she'd make a beautiful winter bride.
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Old 04-14-2017, 04:42 PM
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It is very possible also that when the engagement announcement is made, there will be also an announcement that Harry and Meghan prefer to have a small, intimate wedding without a lot of fuss and fanfare. As much as Harry and Meghan have closely guarded their privacy during the relationship. its not too far fetched to think that they'll also apply this to their wedding plans.

Maybe something along the lines of Anne's second wedding. We see to the church and coming out of the church but nothing of the ceremony and the reception as they'll be kept private.
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Old 04-14-2017, 05:20 PM
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Harry's future wedding will be done in the manner in which his bride-to-be see fit. With all the palace officials and designers at her disposal, she'll put on the wedding of her dreams. Of course with some input of Harry.
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Old 04-14-2017, 05:32 PM
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It is very possible also that when the engagement announcement is made, there will be also an announcement that Harry and Meghan prefer to have a small, intimate wedding without a lot of fuss and fanfare. As much as Harry and Meghan have closely guarded their privacy during the relationship. its not too far fetched to think that they'll also apply this to their wedding plans.

Maybe something along the lines of Anne's second wedding. We see to the church and coming out of the church but nothing of the ceremony and the reception as they'll be kept private.
I think the chances of that happening are slim to none. This is the second son of the venerated Diana and the son of the future king. Fanfare is a given. Something on the scale of Edward and Sophie's wedding, maybe, but to expect the public to be satisfied with some pictures of them going in and out of a small church is not going to happen.

They're low-key and protective of their privacy because they have to be. W&K were the same in their dating days, it's what's expected. If they were out flaunting themselves for the paps every day the naysayers would have a field day.
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Old 04-14-2017, 05:54 PM
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I'm really leaning towards that if there is to be a wedding, it will be a wedding that both Harry and Meghan agree on as to what they want. They are under no obligation to put on a dog and pony show for the public on a grand scale such as William and Kate's was. Edward and Sophie's wedding was lower key than Andrew's and its been stated that Ed and Sophie did not want the wedding televised but it was due to public interest. Edward was also a son of the monarch so I think that played a part in it too.

I just think its very possible that Harry and Meghan would prefer to go for something lower key than pulling out all the whistles and stops. Meghan has been married before and from that, seeing how her first wedding was, the full monty of church and gowns and flowers and tiaras and marching bands weren't a priority for her. Its also very possible that with this being Meghan's second marriage, we may even see them using the model that Charles and Camilla used with a civil ceremony and then a blessing service afterwards. I really don't know. I'm just surmising.

If and when these two people marry, I get the feeling that their priority is going to lie more on the marriage than the wedding itself. Of course, I could be totally way off base and totally wrong.
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Old 04-14-2017, 06:05 PM
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Harry's future wedding will be done in the manner in which his bride-to-be see fit. With all the palace officials and designers at her disposal, she'll put on the wedding of her dreams. Of course with some input of Harry.

Due to her previous marriage, her age/state in life I honestly don't imagine a big splashy wedding. I can see a elegant maybe semi-formal to formal (depending on which Church) event. Perhaps more intimate in numbers than W&K's wedding due to how they have gone about things (as you mention).

I see a engagement announcement and a wedding 3 to 6 months (at most) later.


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Old 04-14-2017, 06:17 PM
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It certainly won't be a thousand guest Westminster wedding with foreign royal heads and so on.

I do see a church wedding. They aren't in the sane situation as Charles. Charles was the future head of the Church of England being married to the woman who was one of the reasons for his divorce. For him to marry Camilla in the church would have caused great furor. Harrys is not the future head of the church, nor was Meghan married in the church. Anne was remarried in a church, in Scotland because not allowed yet in the UK.

I am still saying March proposal and Summer wedding. I think a wedding away from London is likely. I'd love to see Balmoral but could be Sandringham or Windsor. Would love if which ever ones don't get used, the York girls use.

Being married at one of the estates or the reception makes sense. Security is built in and everything needed. And different from his brother not Just size.

I think there will be done traditions. I don't see Meghan wearing a skirt suit and having a casual 'second wedding'. Some opt when older, like Anne who had kids, and who already had a big church wedding. Meghan though is younger and she hasn't had the big traditionsl wedding. She had a destination.
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Old 04-14-2017, 06:53 PM
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I think the chances of that happening are slim to none. This is the second son of the venerated Diana and the son of the future king. Fanfare is a given. Something on the scale of Edward and Sophie's wedding, maybe, but to expect the public to be satisfied with some pictures of them going in and out of a small church is not going to happen.

They're low-key and protective of their privacy because they have to be. W&K were the same in their dating days, it's what's expected. If they were out flaunting themselves for the paps every day the naysayers would have a field day.
Harry is first and foremost son of the heir to the throne and grandson to Elizabeth II, the most popular/iconic head of state (many will say person) in the world.

And as I've written in previous posts in this and another thread:

Princess Elizabeth 1947: To and from Westminster Abbey in closed carriages and appearance on the balcony.

Margaret 1960: To and from Westminster Abbey in closed carriages and appearance on the balcony. (That had not happened today)

Anne 1973: To and from Westminster Abbey in closed carriages and appearance on the balcony. (That had not happened today)

Charles 1981: To and from St Paul's Cathedral in open carriages and appearance on the balcony.

Andrew 1986: To and from Westminster Abbey in open carriages and appearance on the balcony. (That had not happened today)

Edward 1999: A big televised Royal Wedding at St George's Chapel with a carriage procession in Windsor.

William 2011: A scaled-down wedding in comparison with the Abbey weddings mentioned above.

To Westminster Abbey in cars and back to the palace in open carriages for William/Kate and the bridal party, and closed carriages for the Queen/Philip, Charles/Camilla and Kate's parents and appearance on the balcony.

A possible wedding for Harry:

The monarchy is as popular as ever with record high support in several polls since 2002, some of over 80%, but we live in a different era with a more critical press than we did in the 60s, 70s and 80s.

And remember: William is the eldest son of the heir, and he was as popular as Harry (if not even more) when he married, and there were still complaining from media and other people about the costs etc.

I'll therefor be very surprised if he gets a Abbey wedding with a carriage procession and a balcony apperance.

I think we'll see much of the same as we saw for Edward in 1999, A big Televised Royal Wedding at St George's Chapel with a carriage procession in Windsor.
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Old 04-14-2017, 07:05 PM
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How do we know Harry doesn't pay some of the bills himself, anyway?

He would be paying his own expenses but not the expenses of the security team. That would be not reported in the Metropolitan Police budget - just as when any other private individual uses police resources for their own purposes. It doesn't so he is having the taxpayers pay for the security and their expenses.

Of course he would be paying for any personal staff and for himself - or Charles would be - depending on how they are funding Harry.
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Old 04-14-2017, 07:08 PM
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Harry is first and foremost son of the heir to the throne and grandson to Elizabeth II, the most popular/iconic head of state (many will say person) in the world.

And as I've written in previous posts in this and another thread:

Princess Elizabeth 1947: To and from Westminster Abbey in closed carriages and appearance on the balcony.

Margaret 1960: To and from Westminster Abbey in closed carriages and appearance on the balcony. (That had not happened today)

Anne 1973: To and from Westminster Abbey in closed carriages and appearance on the balcony. (That had not happened today)

Charles 1981: To and from St Paul's Cathedral in open carriages and appearance on the balcony.

Andrew 1986: To and from Westminster Abbey in open carriages and appearance on the balcony. (That had not happened today)

Edward 1999: A big televised Royal Wedding at St George's Chapel with a carriage procession in Windsor.

William 2011: A scaled-down wedding in comparison with the Abbey weddings mentioned above.

To Westminster Abbey in cars and back to the palace in open carriages for William/Kate and the bridal party, and closed carriages for the Queen/Philip, Charles/Camilla and Kate's parents and appearance on the balcony.

A possible wedding for Harry:

The monarchy is as popular as ever with record high support in several polls since 2002, some of over 80%, but we live in a different era with a more critical press than we did in the 60s, 70s and 80s.

And remember: William is the eldest son of the heir, and he was as popular as Harry (if not even more) when he married, and there were still complaining from media and other people about the costs etc.

I'll therefor be very surprised if he gets a Abbey wedding with a carriage procession and a balcony apperance.

I think we'll see much of the same as we saw for Edward in 1999, A big Televised Royal Wedding at St George's Chapel with a carriage procession in Windsor.
One thing we don know is that there is no way Harry's wedding will be as large or impressive as William's as William is the future King while Harry is merely the second son and now fifth in the line of succession.

Cars to and from the Abbey and now 'Queen's Escort' as William had at best with a short balcony appearance.

I too would lean towards a Windsor marriage with cars to and from the Chapel as he is only the grandson of the monarch while Edward was the son of the monarch. If he doesn't marry until Charles is King then that will change a bit as well.
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Old 04-14-2017, 09:37 PM
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Harry is first and foremost son of the heir to the throne and grandson to Elizabeth II, the most popular/iconic head of state (many will say person) in the world.
As for Harry, he's pretty popular in his own right and I think the RF will want to play that up whenever he does marry. No, his wedding won't be on the scale of William's but I'm not expecting it to be too far off from that, especially given the circumstances (i.e. Harry's popularity, the bride potentially being American). I wouldn't be surprised by a WA wedding, though St. George's does seem a bit more plausible.
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Old 04-14-2017, 10:29 PM
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One thing we don know is that there is no way Harry's wedding will be as large or impressive as William's as William is the future King while Harry is merely the second son and now fifth in the line of succession.

Cars to and from the Abbey and now 'Queen's Escort' as William had at best with a short balcony appearance.

I too would lean towards a Windsor marriage with cars to and from the Chapel as he is only the grandson of the monarch while Edward was the son of the monarch. If he doesn't marry until Charles is King then that will change a bit as well.
Yes, but I do think that we would see a carriage procession in Windsor.

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As for Harry, he's pretty popular in his own right and I think the RF will want to play that up whenever he does marry. No, his wedding won't be on the scale of William's but I'm not expecting it to be too far off from that, especially given the circumstances (i.e. Harry's popularity, the bride potentially being American). I wouldn't be surprised by a WA wedding, though St. George's does seem a bit more plausible.
Harry's popularity or the possibility of him marrying an American will not give him a bigger wedding, but I think (as I said in my other post) that we'll see much of the same as we saw for Edward in 1999, A big Televised Royal Wedding at St George's Chapel with a carriage procession in Windsor.
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Old 04-14-2017, 10:48 PM
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He would be paying his own expenses but not the expenses of the security team. That would be not reported in the Metropolitan Police budget - just as when any other private individual uses police resources for their own purposes. It doesn't so he is having the taxpayers pay for the security and their expenses.

Of course he would be paying for any personal staff and for himself - or Charles would be - depending on how they are funding Harry.
Isn't it funny how we all see things differently. I mentioned that the DM quoted the exact number of RPO's that had travelled with Harry and yet were still caging their bet's . . . 'it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck but we're not totally sure if it quacks like a duck and is therefore, a duck'. After all, it could have been a decoy and Harry and Meghan far away and enjoying the break!
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I think it depends on the situation at the time of the wedding.

The country may want a big splash at Westminster Abbey or a more restrained event at Windsor. Depends on how things are going.
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Yes, but I do think that we would see a carriage procession in Windsor.

Harry's popularity or the possibility of him marrying an American will not give him a bigger wedding, but I think (as I said in my other post) that we'll see much of the same as we saw for Edward in 1999, A big Televised Royal Wedding at St George's Chapel with a carriage procession in Windsor.
I'm not saying those things themselves will give Harry a bigger wedding. Rather, it gives the RF more incentive to want to capitalize on the interest such a wedding would bring, which yes, would mean a bigger wedding. No doubt, there will be more interest in Harry's wedding day than there was for Edward and that says a lot about how well liked/popular Harry is.
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Old 04-15-2017, 03:28 AM
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If Meghan had the faintest idea of what marriage would be like in the goldfish bowl of being a royal in the UK with her freedom severely curtailed. And criticism of her every move. I am sure she would win the 100 yard dash back in to the real world.
Meghan's already experiencing some of this now and she's apparently still going about her daily schedule just fine (along with not missing yoga practices) Plus, Meghan was obviously aware of what being criticized and scrutinized in the public eye felt like before dating Harry, albeit it's ratcheted up to an OTT degree now. Her own half relations are causing quite a bit of the negative frenzy. But it's mostly that some quarters of the media are relentless, with all the rampant totally made-up stories out there.

The only reason to weather it all is if the relationship is solid, irresistible and worthwhile. We have no real knowledge of the fun M&H are having together privately, but knowing just a smidgen about both their personalities, I can guess they are having some pretty happy times together. Even the Jamaica pool pics hint at their comfort level with each other. I wish Harry & Meghan well.

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He could be like Alfred Hitchcock, who would pop up in crowd scenes in his films.
Seriously though, I'm very happy if Harry is there that he's getting to spend Easter with Meghan. They may share an Easter egg or even a hot X bun together, who knows! I don't think he'll be staying past Easter Monday though.

Those photos look very grainy. Were they taken by a professional photographer? I do wish Harry would stop the cloak and dagger stuff though. The whole world knows that he and Meghan are in a relationship. It may be necessary for security reasons to keep quiet about flights there and back of course, but Toronto is by all accounts a very laid back sort of place. They wouldn't get hassled if they took a walk together, or went to the cinema or to a cafe for brunch.
LOL re the Alfred Hitchcock reference. The graininess of the photos apparently means they were taken by a long lens (i.e., paps were not that close).

In December, they were able to stroll along at night in London like any other couple and purchase a Christmas tree (with no intrusive pics -- good for them!). But now, with all the heated up scrutiny, that kind of casualness probably can't happen much anymore, if at all. Security is surely a significant concern, no matter the friendly environs of Toronto. Harry was accompanied on this weekend visit by no less than 7 security officers (an increased number than on his previous visits to see Meghan).
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How do we know how many security officers there are ? And I didn't think we knew 100% that it was Harry.
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