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Old 02-17-2017, 04:03 PM
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This so much.

At this day and age, Harry will be lucky, if he gets a woman like Meghan to marry him. Many would be put off by the 24/7 security already, or the 'The royals are public property' attitude surprisingly many peoole have. Meghan or any woman with any kind of career will have to give that up. A few questionable relatives she hasn't been in contact with in years are a very small negative in Meghan's book, when you look ate all the changes she's have to do in her life.
She would be lucky also... much more...
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Old 02-17-2017, 04:04 PM
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While people adore Harry for his down to earth grace and his support and love for his charities....when it comes to her... I am not so sure. Hollywood with Grace Kelly - born and bred Main Line family - compared to this person in of today's Hollywood... I predict it will not go down well or end well.

Catherine, Camilla and Diana all come from Great Britain, they grew up in this culture.

This person with her attitude on her social media not too long ago would need to shut up and conform right away as the British press would eat her alive. The aristocracy, long known for proving blood and breeding count, not celebrity and money, aka the Beckhams would probably turn their noses on this person. Her family, to say the least, is interesting....

We shall see what happens. As I said before, should he marry this person I will choose not to watch and will ignore them and focus on the rest of the family in my adoration.

My right to my view and opinion.
Here is my 2 cents.... more than likely in the old days of the British Raj she would have been warned off for being 1. biracial, 2. divorced, 3. an actress, 4 catholic, etc. But in the last 10-15 years there has been such a sea change in standards ( which one can debate whether it is a good or bad thing) of what is considered an acceptable royal bride. You have Mette Marit with an illegitimate child who was involved with a drug dealer. You have Sofia Hellqvist with her nude picture/porn star make out/'reality tv' back ground. You have Camilla who was not only divorced but also the major player in her husband's prior marriage. You have Letizia who was divorced and a television news personality. I dont think Meghan has done anything eggregious enough to be declared unacceptable. If Harry's father, the future Defender of the Faith and Head of the Church of England can marry a divorced woman then why shouldn't his son be allowed to? I think she would have to nominally convert to C of E, should he wish to remain in the succession.
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Old 02-17-2017, 04:06 PM
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All her grandchildren have been said, at some point or another, have been her 'favorite' grandchild. The media changes who depending on what's happening.


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True. I have read on more than one occasion that HM's favorite was either Princesses Beatrice or Eugenie...the children of her pet child Prince Andrew.

They reportedly call her "Super Gran" which is rather sweet.
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Old 02-17-2017, 04:11 PM
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So the Queen gives her consent and then the Privy Council votes on it? So the asker is basically left in limbo waiting to see if he has to take back his engagement?
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Old 02-17-2017, 04:26 PM
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More than likely all of her grandchildren can talk her into things...we just don't hear about it!

Any talk about the Queen not allowing him to marry Meghan is silly. The last thing she's going to do is stand in the way of who they marry. The person would have to be a level of unsuitable that we haven't even seen yet.

So anyone thinking the Queen will stop him marrying Meghan is going to be disappointed.


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Old 02-17-2017, 04:27 PM
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Well, a lot of people will be upset when Harry marries Meghan, but a lot more will be very happy for the couple. For those who don't want to watch the festivities, that is fine as tens of millions of people will, and I will be one of them.

It's my belief that Meghan has been prepped for the potential next step and it's evident in her change of tone in posting on her personal twitter and Instagram accounts, as well as The Tig. For a woman who is a Hollywood celebrity, she has been respectful and low keyed since the story of her romance with the Prince has broken. I respect that Meghan has not flaunted herself, and has managed this new attention with dignity, especially in light of the unprecedented harsh attitude towards her because of her mixed parentage, being American, and a TV actress. Such a shame in 2016-17, but not a shock.

In the end, she will prevail and all things are pointing in the direction that she'll become a permanent member of the BRF in due time.

Mark my words.
I couldn't agree more. I actually had a feeling, way back at the beginning, that Meghan would end up Harry's bride. However, my predictive timeline was probably off. I thought an engagement over the holidays (perhaps not announced until early 2017), and a wedding in the spring.

I think they make a lovely couple, and would love to see it go all the way to a marriage.
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Old 02-17-2017, 05:12 PM
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No, but the marriage has to be approved by the Queen and the British government (at least as long as Harry is one of the first six persons in line to the throne; he is currently 5th). The government, being made of politicians, most certainly takes public opinion into consideration, and so does the Queen to a certain extent.
I can't see this being justified if they deny the marriage based on the fact that she's biracial or American. People be up in arms about racism, as they should. And the US alliance will be important to Britain, so best not to shun someone based on this, especially since it's likely she'll be relinquishing her US citizenship even though by law it's not required.

Then the divorcee part. If Charles can marry Camilla after all that, I really don't see Harry not being able to marry Meghan because of this detail.
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Old 02-17-2017, 05:31 PM
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LOL! That's sweet you were that optimistic about an engagement and spring wedding. My initial thoughts were a spring engagement announcement, and a fall 2017 wedding, but now it may be a summer engagement and a spring 2018 wedding - due to Pippa's wedding and I think Beatrice is engaged too.

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I couldn't agree more. I actually had a feeling, way back at the beginning, that Meghan would end up Harry's bride. However, my predictive timeline was probably off. I thought an engagement over the holidays (perhaps not announced until early 2017), and a wedding in the spring.

I think they make a lovely couple, and would love to see it go all the way to a marriage.
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Old 02-17-2017, 05:50 PM
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If Harry seeks The Queen's approval to marry Meghan, it will be granted. Period.

Some of us are just geeking on the statute regarding consent
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Old 02-17-2017, 08:16 PM
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So the Queen gives her consent and then the Privy Council votes on it? So the asker is basically left in limbo waiting to see if he has to take back his engagement?
No.

If the government and CoE were opposed to the marriage, it would never get so far as consent being declared. See what happened to Margaret; a lot of backroom discussions and negotiations and positions being laid out well before it got anywhere close to the Privy Council meeting.

One thing that seems to be missing in this Privy Council discussion is that the the Privy Council != the government and the government is != to the Privy Council. Members of the government do, with Civil Servants, make up the bulk of the PC, but it's made up of several groups:
  • members of the BRF and Royal Household (e.g. the Dukes of Edinburgh and Cambridge, Charles and Camilla)
  • members of the Civil Service (e.g., Sir Robert Fellowes, Sir John Chilcot)
  • members of the Clergy (e.g., Justin Welby, George Carey)
  • members of both the UK and Commonwealth judiciary
  • Conservative, Labour, Liberal/LibDem politicians, past and present
  • Commonwealth politicians
  • "Other" politicians (e.g., Baroness D'Souza, Nigel Dodds, Nicola Sturgeon)

The PC is a formal body of advisors. Some of these people's voices (e.g., Theresa May, Justin Welby) will have more weight than others (e.g., Owen Arthur, Stephen Dorrell). But it's not a matter of "the government will decide who Harry can marry". The members of the government and church will have discussions with each other and with the Queen if they have any concerns.

With that said, the only way that a sitting government would advise the Queen that a marriage was insupportable was if there were demonstrations against Meghan. And there aren't, and there won't be. The comments section of the Daily Fail is not going to be a factor in this decision.

Also, too, remember that the quorum of for the Privy Council is 3. HM could, if I'm reading correctly, literally call Charles, Camilla, and William into the drawing room at Sandringham over Christmas and give her consent in council. Would it be wise? No, if she hasn't already discussed it with the Prime Minister and clergy. Would she do it? No. But it doesn't, from my quick research, seem to be outside of the rules.

It's worth noting that the example of the Canadian Privy Council meeting to "approve" (read cheer on) the marriage of Charles and Diana seems to be because Canada is the only Commonwealth country without any representation on the Privy Council. None of the current or former PMs of Canada are on it, nor any members of its judiciary.
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Old 02-17-2017, 08:24 PM
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LOL! That's sweet you were that optimistic about an engagement and spring wedding. My initial thoughts were a spring engagement announcement, and a fall 2017 wedding, but now it may be a summer engagement and a spring 2018 wedding - due to Pippa's wedding and I think Beatrice is engaged too.
I doubt Beatrice is engaged. As far as the public knows, she's single. Beatrice and mystery beau would be a bigger whirlwind shock than if Harry-Meghan were to marry in the near future.

Also I can't see how Pippa's wedding would have any impact on preventing Harry from proposing. They aren't relatives, and they don't seem to be close friends, either. If blood cousins William and Zara can be engaged at the same time. Then non-blood acquaintances wouldn't have any problems both being engaged.

So if Harry and Meghan aren't engaged yet, it's because they themselves aren't ready. And that's perfectly understandable given that they've only been together about 8 months.
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Old 02-18-2017, 04:04 AM
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A Marie Claire article explains why Harry needs the Queen's approval before he can marry Meghan. They don't mention the Privy Council.

This why Prince Harry needs The Queen's permission to get married

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It might seem antiquated but if Prince Harry did decide to propose to Meghan Markle (and the whole world is hoping that he will), he must, according to English law, ask the permission of his grandmother, Queen Elizabeth II.


The Queen has to sign a notice of approval, granting her formal consent to the marriage, and confirming her trust in their choice of spouse.

Although the act has changed over time, now only limited to the first six in line to the throne, Prince Harry (fifth in line) is still one of the people that it applies to, and must wait for his grandmother’s permission if the situation arises.
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Old 02-18-2017, 04:30 AM
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When we really think about it, getting permission to marry from the Queen makes a whole lot of sense. Its a safeguard to preserve the monarchy in the long run. Now its only limited to the first six people in line to ascend to the throne but if we look back in history, there was a lot of plots and conspiracies to gain control and someone that could possibly ascend to the throne in the future could marry for the sheer purpose of political reasons and land grabs and other dastardly reasons. Even as recently as the 20th century, there was a lot of concern for political reasons why Edward VIII's (David) choice of a bride (Wallis Simpson) was unacceptable and raised red flags within the government and this was a situation where the monarch, himself, wanted to marry. Hence the Abdication Crisis of 1936.

I'm sure that in Harry's case, it would just be a formality for the most part but a very necessary formal procedure. Now, if Harry for some reason wanted to marry the daughter of Bashar al-Assad of Syria, getting permission to marry would be a horse of a totally different color.

Sorry for throwing some history into this but it does help with the understanding of why the monarchy does some of the things they do that seem archaic in the 21st century.
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Old 02-18-2017, 05:45 AM
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When we really think about it, getting permission to marry from the Queen makes a whole lot of sense. Its a safeguard to preserve the monarchy in the long run. Now its only limited to the first six people in line to ascend to the throne but if we look back in history, there was a lot of plots and conspiracies to gain control and someone that could possibly ascend to the throne in the future could marry for the sheer purpose of political reasons and land grabs and other dastardly reasons. Even as recently as the 20th century, there was a lot of concern for political reasons why Edward VIII's (David) choice of a bride (Wallis Simpson) was unacceptable and raised red flags within the government and this was a situation where the monarch, himself, wanted to marry. Hence the Abdication Crisis of 1936.

I'm sure that in Harry's case, it would just be a formality for the most part but a very necessary formal procedure. Now, if Harry for some reason wanted to marry the daughter of Bashar al-Assad of Syria, getting permission to marry would be a horse of a totally different color.

Sorry for throwing some history into this but it does help with the understanding of why the monarchy does some of the things they do that seem archaic in the 21st century.
Thank you, very good post.
I think that spouse has to be someone who will blindly follow the way of thinking, working, more follower than a leader...
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Old 02-18-2017, 06:16 AM
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I think that spouse has to be someone who will blindly follow the way of thinking, working, more follower than a leader...
More important to me is that the couple be able to work together and support each other as a team as well as being confident in doing what they do on an individual basis.

I don't think any of the British royals just go blindly into the good night and are puppets. There are guidelines for sure when representing the monarch on official royal duties and engagements of course but they also are free and encouraged to campaign and support their own passions in the charities and the causes they choose to take on. The Royal Foundation of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry is a good example to check out. It is very much based on what William and Kate and Harry are passionate about.
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Old 02-18-2017, 01:13 PM
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Is Meghan under guard while she is in the UK, paid for by Harry? I read Harry was thinking about getting her security.

Did that happen?
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Old 02-18-2017, 01:14 PM
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The only places I saw mentioning that were gossippages.

We really should stop posting links to pages like the DM concerning these two. All kinds of rubbish gets posted here.
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Old 02-18-2017, 01:52 PM
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I really don't think that Meghan would have her own personal protection officer but perhaps Harry's escorts her when called for and Harry is staying home on the couch playing video games.. Most certainly wherever they go together, there would be ample security.

This is a matter that we don't know and I don't really think it really is any of our business to know. Time will tell though and until we get the information from a reliable source, its an open question.
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Old 02-19-2017, 05:05 AM
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I wish them well. Actually hadn't heard about this newest amour. Been absent from the Boards for some time. I wish them well but marriage is likely a long way off, if not a long shot imo (for a lot of reasons). I'll be surprised if someone with Meghan's worldliness opts to constrain herself for marriage to a British Royal, unless Harry actively lobbies to have it be otherwise.

I think Harry really does want to be married with a family of his own. If he's able to maintain the interest of a woman like Meghan maybe he's matured enough for marriage and I'll be proved wrong. We'll see.
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I wish them well. Actually hadn't heard about this newest amour. Been absent from the Boards for some time. I wish them well but marriage is likely a long way off, if not a long shot imo (for a lot of reasons). I'll be surprised if someone with Meghan's worldliness opts to constrain herself for marriage to a British Royal, unless Harry actively lobbies to have it be otherwise.

I think Harry really does want to be married with a family of his own. If he's able to maintain the interest of a woman like Meghan maybe he's matured enough for marriage and I'll be proved wrong. We'll see.
I actually like this post. I don't know why. But I bet marriage has been discussed between them. We really don't what's a long way off and what's not. Harry may surprise a lot of the negative people about this relationship.
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