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Old 02-12-2017, 03:52 PM
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Golly this thread has turned into a Boons and Mills book.
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Old 02-12-2017, 03:54 PM
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Perhaps some posters could have been a bit nicer to each other here.


That will probably change when William/Kate become (so-called) full-time royals.

And not to offend the Harry fans, but the press has treated him with kid gloves for three years now, while William has been treated like crap.
The press are nice to Harry because his playboy, wild child antics have largely stopped and he's shown himself to be a charismatic and engaging man.

The press is less nice to the Cambridges because for better or worse they deliberately keep the press at arm's length. They are very careful about keeping their private lives private and do so in a way that upsets the press.

The press is going to continue to have issue with Cambridges so long as they remain protective of their privacy and so long as they remain dismissive of the press' role. They'll also continue to go "easy" on Harry so long as he is 'behaving" (so to speak), while also not playing the same game with the press that the Cambridges play. William and Kate could go full time and the problem they have with the press will persist. And, really, Harry's only going to avoid the same problem until he has children; let's be realistic, Harry will be as protective of his family as William is.

I actually think Meghan as a future royal might be able to help Harry avoid that. William's attitude toward the press is very reasonable given his experiences with the press, and Kate had no experience with it prior to her relationship with William. Meghan, however, has her own relationship with the press that might change how she and Harry deal with the press if/when they become parents.
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Old 02-12-2017, 03:59 PM
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I'm guessing the press is thrilled about those new hedges <G>


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Old 02-12-2017, 04:36 PM
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The press are nice to Harry because his playboy, wild child antics have largely stopped and he's shown himself to be a charismatic and engaging man.

The press is less nice to the Cambridges because for better or worse they deliberately keep the press at arm's length. They are very careful about keeping their private lives private and do so in a way that upsets the press.

The press is going to continue to have issue with Cambridges so long as they remain protective of their privacy and so long as they remain dismissive of the press' role. They'll also continue to go "easy" on Harry so long as he is 'behaving" (so to speak), while also not playing the same game with the press that the Cambridges play. William and Kate could go full time and the problem they have with the press will persist. And, really, Harry's only going to avoid the same problem until he has children; let's be realistic, Harry will be as protective of his family as William is.

I actually think Meghan as a future royal might be able to help Harry avoid that. William's attitude toward the press is very reasonable given his experiences with the press, and Kate had no experience with it prior to her relationship with William. Meghan, however, has her own relationship with the press that might change how she and Harry deal with the press if/when they become parents.
Meghan's relationship with the press is like any other celebrity. It's glib and superficial. Any press is good press.

With the royals its different. They aren't celebrities, they serve the country.

So just because Meghan can strut and pose on a red carpet or emote to Access Hollywood doesn't mean she will make a good royal.
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Old 02-12-2017, 04:50 PM
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No, it doesn't. However it does help when making speeches. No stuttering in the middle, constantly looking down at notes or looking or sounding strained so that listening becomes a hardship. It would help when meeting members of the public. Being natural with others, not being wooden and not knowing what to say.

Projecting warmth towards others comes with the craft, as does making easy smalltalk. Actors are used to being photographed and filmed, and no multiple takes when being interviewed. Carrying things off at public engagements when you yourself feel tired, grumpy and have a headache.

There are in fact several skills that those in the acting profession possess that would be excellent preparation for being a Royal.
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Old 02-12-2017, 05:01 PM
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No, it doesn't. However it does help when making speeches. No stuttering in the middle, constantly looking down at notes or looking or sounding strained so that listening becomes a hardship. It would help when meeting members of the public. Being natural with others, not being wooden and not knowing what to say.

Projecting warmth towards others comes with the craft, as does making easy smalltalk. Actors are used to being photographed and filmed, and no multiple takes when being interviewed. Carrying things off at public engagements when you yourself feel tired, grumpy and have a headache.

There are in fact several skills that those in the acting profession possess that would be excellent preparation for being a Royal.

No one in the BRF is an actor and they all seem to manage. Just because Meghan is superficial and glib doesn't mean she will connect with the British public.
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Old 02-12-2017, 05:02 PM
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In the UK we have the full turkey dinner - at Christmas. I would find it really odd to have a big slap-up turkey lunch in November and then another the following month. It seems really weird to me to have a big family get together holiday so close to Christmas and Boxing Day.

I would presume that Meghan would have to give up her US citizenship were she to marry Harry. If for no other reason that the US tax laws which require US citizens living abroad to pay taxes in the US on overseas income. For example, our Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson gave up his US citizenship last year because, having not lived in the US since he was 5 years old, he had to pay $50k tax to the US government when he sold his house in the UK.

Would Meghan have to pay tax to the US govt. on funds the Prince of Wales might give her for undertaking royal engagements?

Of course, renouncing her US citizenship wouldn't mean she can't partake of American customs.
No she would not have to give up her US citizenship I know that for a fact. And your last statement is incorrect as well.
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Old 02-12-2017, 05:10 PM
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No one in the BRF is an actor and they all seem to manage. Just because Meghan is superficial and glib doesn't mean she will connect with the British public.
Well, some 'manage' better than others. And the skills I mentioned will help in public life if Meghan marries into the BRF.
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Old 02-12-2017, 05:11 PM
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I just read some the last few posts. You all actually expect Meghan to give up her home country and family totally and her customs? Not going to happen and she'll still marry Harry and live in the UK.

Harry would not let her do that and he would not want that for her. You all need to think! Meghan has a mother and a father whom are Americans and whom live in the US. And I highly doubt either one are moving to the UK.
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Old 02-12-2017, 05:16 PM
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No one in the BRF is an actor and they all seem to manage. Just because Meghan is superficial and glib doesn't mean she will connect with the British public.
Yes because being an actress means you are superficial.

Compare Kate and her early speeches and appearances. She was always fumbling with her hair, looking down at her notes, stumbling. You would think in the eight years she made herself available, she could have taken a public speaking class.

Then look at Meghan. Watch her UN speech. Or world vision interviews. There is nothing fake or plastic. Nothing superficial. Her UN yes she has notes but she isn't looking didn't all the time. She isn't nervously playing with her hair. She is direct and making eye contact. And you can tell she wrote her speech, not done press secratary. And her world vision interviews are not rehearsed, they are natural and you see her comfort with kids.

Yes Kate has grown into her roll. But Meghan is by and far more prepared for the position then Kate was. She don't need five years to grow into it.

It's the benefit of being your own woman. Not spending almost a decade being available. She has th confidence and the strength that comes from building your own life. She has causes she us already passionate about and can use to shape a future royal life. She don't require a year of marriage to choose patronages.
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Old 02-12-2017, 05:17 PM
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Peace and love dudes

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Old 02-12-2017, 05:18 PM
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Princess Grace was an actress and managed to marry into a royal family (if you consider the Monegasque royals 'royal'). But she had a hard time adjusting, from what I've read.

I think the biggest problem I would foresee for Meghan and Harry, though, is that both of them seem like free spirits. They're both outgoing people who like to have fun and travel. I'm sure they would like to settle down and start a family, but I wonder who would hold the relationship together? For example, Prince Philip is an adventurous and outgoing man like Harry, while the Queen has always been the dutiful, more reserved one. On the other hand, Harry and Meghan are more similar in personality. The royal family has had problems before when independent-minded women married into the royal family...partly because the husbands were unsupportive (Charles) or absent for a long time (Andrew). I'm sure Harry would support Meghan, but I feel like he also has a tendency to go off and do his own thing just like Prince Philip does. The Queen puts up with that, but Meghan is a very different person. I feel like Harry and Meghan could end up having very different interests and pursuits and drift apart instead of making a good team.
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Old 02-12-2017, 05:21 PM
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I just read some the last few posts. You all actually expect Meghan to give up her home country and family totally and her customs? Not going to happen and she'll still marry Harry and live in the UK.

Harry would not let her do that and he would not want that for her. You all need to think! Meghan and a mother and a father whom are Americans and whom live in the US. And I highly doubt either one are moving to the UK.
It isn't what the posters want, it is what happens in the royal family and what has happened to all royal wives before Meghan. They become princesses first and must put their private identities second. Being a princess isn't just about meeting new people and trying out new fashions - it's about being a representative of the UK. Some women haven't been able to adapt to that role (Sarah and Diana come to mind - they wanted their own identities. They were only able to achieve that outside of the royal family).
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Old 02-12-2017, 05:22 PM
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Yes because being an actress means you are superficial.



Compare Kate and her early speeches and appearances. She was always fumbling with her hair, looking down at her notes, stumbling. You would think in the eight years she made herself available, she could have taken a public speaking class.



Then look at Meghan. Watch her UN speech. Or world vision interviews. There is nothing fake or plastic. Nothing superficial. Her UN yes she has notes but she isn't looking didn't all the time. She isn't nervously playing with her hair. She is direct and making eye contact. And you can tell she wrote her speech, not done press secratary. And her world vision interviews are not rehearsed, they are natural and you see her comfort with kids.



Yes Kate has grown into her roll. But Meghan is by and far more prepared for the position then Kate was. She don't need five years to grow into it.



It's the benefit of being your own woman. Not spending almost a decade being available. She has th confidence and the strength that comes from building your own life. She has causes she us already passionate about and can use to shape a future royal life. She don't require a year of marriage to choose patronages.


Goodness how has the royals managed all these hundreds of years without a Actor ??
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Old 02-12-2017, 05:28 PM
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Yes because being an actress means you are superficial.

Compare Kate and her early speeches and appearances. She was always fumbling with her hair, looking down at her notes, stumbling. You would think in the eight years she made herself available, she could have taken a public speaking class.

Then look at Meghan. Watch her UN speech. Or world vision interviews. There is nothing fake or plastic. Nothing superficial. Her UN yes she has notes but she isn't looking didn't all the time. She isn't nervously playing with her hair. She is direct and making eye contact. And you can tell she wrote her speech, not done press secratary. And her world vision interviews are not rehearsed, they are natural and you see her comfort with kids.

Yes Kate has grown into her roll. But Meghan is by and far more prepared for the position then Kate was. She don't need five years to grow into it.

It's the benefit of being your own woman. Not spending almost a decade being available. She has th confidence and the strength that comes from building your own life. She has causes she us already passionate about and can use to shape a future royal life. She don't require a year of marriage to choose patronages.
You manage to make every post about Kate. Not sure why, but there you go.

Can you comment about about Meghan without dragging the Cambridges into the conversation? You do this on every thread.

You're going to be massively disappointed if this relationship doesn't end in a marriage.
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Old 02-12-2017, 05:33 PM
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People in public life all act to a certain extent, however. I doubt that Princess Anne is extraordinarily interested when she has to listen to some Mayor drone on and on. Andrew probably doesn't leap to attention when shown some complex piece of technology he's not interested in. Almost all royals have to put on a bright and happy face and talk to people they don't want to talk to when they are feeling awful, have had a row with their spouse, have a splitting headache.

It comes naturally with time, for some more so than with others, but Meghan has the skills to do most of these things already, and being able to put over a good speech so people enjoy it does help.

It doesn't have to be 'superficial'. That's a subjective judgement on someone you don't like, IMO.
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Old 02-12-2017, 05:35 PM
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Meghan's relationship with the press is like any other celebrity. It's glib and superficial. Any press is good press.

With the royals its different. They aren't celebrities, they serve the country.

So just because Meghan can strut and pose on a red carpet or emote to Access Hollywood doesn't mean she will make a good royal.
I'm not sure that you've understood what I'm saying here....

First of all, it's incredibly naive to say that all press is good press. If you actually look at the careers of celebrities, press can and does drastically affect the careers of actors. There are plenty of actors whose careers have been boosted by good publicity, and plenty more whose careers have been hindered by negative publicity.

Secondly, if you read what I wrote I never once said that being a celebrity might make Meghan a good royal. I don't believe that, in fact I think as a celebrity and as an American Meghan is going to have to face challenges that Kate never faced.

What I did say was that Meghan, having a relationship with the press prior to her relationship with Harry, is likely to change how they as a couple handle things in the future. William and Harry have a relationship with the press that is very rightly darkened by their childhood experiences. Kate had no relationship with the press prior to meeting William, and you can clearly see that the way they handle things is guided by William's disdain for the press. Harry might take the same route when he has children... or he might take a different route, depending on his future wife's attitude towards the press. That was my point, nothing more.
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Old 02-12-2017, 05:44 PM
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Having empathy is one thing, many members of the BRF show empathy but the glibness of an actress is another matter.

If and when Meghan ever becomes part of the Firm, I will give my opinion, but for now now she is just another C-list actress doing all the 'right on' things that ever other C-list actress does
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Goodness how has the royals managed all these hundreds of years without a Actor ??
Perhaps some of the skills that actors may have are helpful. I do recall Princess Diana receiving help from a distinguished actor to assist with her public speaking role. I think that if things do progress well then Meghan's communication skills and experience will assist her in Royal public life.
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