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Old 01-31-2017, 12:23 PM
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And if Meghan doesn't want to make choices and compromises that marrying a British royal will require then she will move on like Chelsy and Cressida did.
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Old 01-31-2017, 12:34 PM
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IMO, this is a recipe for disaster. Its been tried before and proven to be a bad idea to put country and duty before love when it comes to a royal marriage. If anyone would know this, it would be Harry. He's witnessed the sad results of this kind of thinking first hand.
Margaret, Anne, Charles and Andrew choose for love: divorce, divorce, divorce and divorce. So that oldfashioned marriages would be a "recipe for disaster" seems debatable to me.
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Old 01-31-2017, 01:04 PM
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Margaret, Anne, Charles and Andrew choose for love: divorce, divorce, divorce and divorce. So that oldfashioned marriages would be a "recipe for disaster" seems debatable to me.

It's a bit a stretch to say Margaret and Charles chose the person they married for love since they did not marry Peter Townsend and Camilla. When Charles did marry for love- Camilla, it turned out pretty well. Sarah was basically left to herself when Andrew was off in the Navy and she got herself into trouble.

However, what happened in the relationships of Harry's relations does not directly matter to his current or future relationships. What happened to his parents may influence his personality but it isn't a direct thing like because his parents got divorced and had affairs then William and Harry will get divorced, have affairs etc.
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Old 01-31-2017, 01:08 PM
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Margaret, Anne, Charles and Andrew choose for love: divorce, divorce, divorce and divorce. So that oldfashioned marriages would be a "recipe for disaster" seems debatable to me.
Seems a toss up, like all relationships.
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Old 01-31-2017, 02:16 PM
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Seems a toss up, like all relationships.
Pretty much. IMHO if a marriage is based on love, friendship, mutual interests, the will to be together, it has a much better shot, than one based on being from same social class. IMO also, if a person is told to only look for a spouse from certain social gtoup only, it creates resentment.
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Old 01-31-2017, 03:40 PM
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I just wonder if Harry knows what love is and if Meg would be good for him, not just good to him.
Well none of us really know what romantic love is until we live and learn and experience and Harry has done that, so there's no reason to believe he knows less about it than the rest of us. From what we've seen the last few years, I think he has matured a lot and seems to know exactly what he wants out of life, as a royal and just as a man.

I'm not sure there's much difference between someone being good for you and being good to you. If the latter is true then chances are the former is as well. Certainly in this particular case, I don't see a difference.
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Old 01-31-2017, 03:55 PM
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One reason I think that this relationship with Meghan is a good one for him is because of a definition of love that I heard a long time ago and its stuck with me.

"Love is wanting and supporting the other person to be the best possible person they can be"

Many times in a new relationship, a couple tend to try to "people please" their partners so much that their own sense of individuality is lost. Harry and Meghan each already have their separate roles in doing things that doesn't interfere with their relationship and although it is a long distance relationship, I think holding onto their own sense of identity at the beginning of the relationship will just strengthen it more than detract from it. Two people strong in their self identities are more inclined to form a good, equal and strong partnership than a couple where one is dominant and the other one recessive.
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Old 01-31-2017, 03:57 PM
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There is only one person that can prevent Harry from having his wishes fulfilled and the blessing to marry his person of choice and that is his grandmother and personally, I don't see why she would have any objection. Harry has absolutely no guidelines whatsoever of parameters that his future bride must fit into. William didn't and he's the heir to the heir and the future king.
Let's not forget that the Succession to the Crown Act says that the monarch's consent to marriages of the first six persons in line to the throne must be declared in a meeting of the Privy Council, meaning it has to be ratified in practice by the government. If the government opposed the marriage, then my understanding is that the Queen would be forced to deny consent.

In any case, Harry could still marry without consent. The only legal effect would be that he and his descendants from the marriage would be excluded from the line of succession to the throne. In principle, unlike in Sweden, Denmark or the Netherlands, I believe the the exclusion from the line of succession would not affect his royal titles and styles. Prince Michael of Kent for example was disqualified from succeeding to the Crown when he married Marie Christine (who is Catholic); nevertheless, he never lost his HRH status as a grandson of a British sovereign in male line.
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Old 01-31-2017, 04:04 PM
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Well none of us really know what romantic love is until we live and learn and experience and Harry has done that, so there's no reason to believe he knows less about it than the rest of us. From what we've seen the last few years, I think he has matured a lot and seems to know exactly what he wants out of life, as a royal and just as a man.

I'm not sure there's much difference between someone being good for you and being good to you. If the latter is true then chances are the former is as well. Certainly in this particular case, I don't see a difference.
Do we even know if they are actually "in love", whatever that means ? I mean, we barely see them together and it looks to me more like a long-distance relationship where each of them has his/her own life and they only get together from time to time.
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Old 01-31-2017, 04:22 PM
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Do we even know if they are actually "in love", whatever that means ? I mean, we barely see them together and it looks to me more like a long-distance relationship where each of them has his/her own life and they only get together from time to time.
I was not talking about this relationship specifically. But just because we don't see them together doesn't mean they aren't spending more time together. You seem to be implying that it's casual relationship, which I find hard to believe, especially on Meghan's part. And I doubt Harry would have released that statement, exposing Meghan to even more scrutiny and harassment, if the relationship wasn't serious. How serious? Who knows. Time will tell.
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Old 01-31-2017, 04:30 PM
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I was not talking about this relationship specifically. But just because we don't see them together doesn't mean they aren't spending more time together. You seem to be implying that it's casual relationship, which I find hard to believe, especially on Meghan's part. And I doubt Harry would have released that statement, exposing Meghan to even more scrutiny, if the relationship wasn't serious. How serious? Who knows. Time will tell.
I don't think their relationship is casual, but I don't see Harry more "in love" with Meghan than he was with Chelsy Davy (his "true love" IMHO) or Cressida. I don't understand why people assume that wiith no facts to back it. I suspect it's just wishful thinking.

PS: Even more so, I don't see Meghan showing "great love" for Harry, but that may be just her discreet nature.
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Old 01-31-2017, 04:36 PM
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That's really just it. We have absolutely no clue what goes on with this relationship or when they see each other or anything at all. These two people are so far under the radar that they probably need sonar to find them somewhere in the deep blue sea.
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Old 01-31-2017, 05:30 PM
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I don't think their relationship is casual, but I don't see Harry more "in love" with Meghan than he was with Chelsy Davy (his "true love" IMHO) or Cressida. I don't understand why people assume that wiith no facts to back it. I suspect it's just wishful thinking.

PS: Even more so, I don't see Meghan showing "great love" for Harry, but that may be just her discreet nature.
I don't see anyone saying he is more in love with Meghan than he was with Chelsy or Cressida? We don't really know any of these people or the details of their love lives but I would say Harry and Chelsy were probably more like first loves. They were young, more carefree, less concerned with media attention. They grew a part, moved on and seem to have matured. It makes sense to me that Harry is now more discreet about his personal life. A lack of pics or details about he and Meghan likely speaks more to that than it does about how either feels about each other.
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Old 01-31-2017, 05:35 PM
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Do we even know if they are actually "in love", whatever that means ? I mean, we barely see them together and it looks to me more like a long-distance relationship where each of them has his/her own life and they only get together from time to time.
We don't need to see them for them to spend time together. We have no clue how often they actually see each other.

How does anyone know if Meghan shows 'great love' for Harry? Who does she have to show it to, to Harry, or to people viewing this relationship from outside?
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Old 01-31-2017, 05:45 PM
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We don't need to see them for them to spend time together. We have no clue how often they actually see each other.
Well, it is a fact that they live most of the time in two different continents separated by an ocean. That by itself imposes a physical constraint on the amount of time they can spend together compared to a situation , let's say, where they both lived in the same city.

Furthermore, Meghan still seems very much focused on her career, while Harry is focused on whatever personal projects he might have. It appears to me that they both prioritize that over their relationship (in terms of the amount of time they are together for example).
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Old 01-31-2017, 05:59 PM
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Well, it is a fact that they live most of the time in two different continents separated by an ocean. That by itself imposes a physical constraint on the amount of time they can spend together compared to a situation , let's say, where they both lived in the same city.

Furthermore, Meghan still seems very much focused on her career, while Harry is focused on whatever personal projects he might have. It appears to me that they both prioritize that over their relationship (in terms of the amount of time they are together for example).
Did they tell you this themselves?

We know that they are in a relationship, that each has taken time to visit the other. We also know that they both want a family, because they have talked about it. So to say they both prioritize other things over their relationship is based on...what exactly? The fact that they are still working? Seems odd.
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Old 01-31-2017, 06:09 PM
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Well, it is a fact that they live most of the time in two different continents separated by an ocean. That by itself imposes a physical constraint on the amount of time they can spend together compared to a situation , let's say, where they both lived in the same city.

Furthermore, Meghan still seems very much focused on her career, while Harry is focused on whatever personal projects he might have. It appears to me that they both prioritize that over their relationship (in terms of the amount of time they are together for example).
How do you know how focused Meghan is in her career? She can't just drop off Suits, she has contract. We simply have no clue what their priorities are.

Has Meghan been seen lately, do we even know where she's at? The last pictures I saw of her were her leaving India, do we even know where she went?
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Old 01-31-2017, 07:42 PM
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Well, it is a fact that they live most of the time in two different continents separated by an ocean. That by itself imposes a physical constraint on the amount of time they can spend together compared to a situation , let's say, where they both lived in the same city.

Furthermore, Meghan still seems very much focused on her career, while Harry is focused on whatever personal projects he might have. It appears to me that they both prioritize that over their relationship (in terms of the amount of time they are together for example).
All they are doing is prioritising existing commitments to their job - just as we would.

New relationship, major project/work (for which I get paid) - work comes first. That's the real world. No one knows if this is going to last, so Meghan in particular isn't going to burn her bridges. Sensible
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Old 01-31-2017, 09:35 PM
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No doubt she is committed to upholding her acting contract with Suits. However acting is one part of the job, the other is promotion. Part of promotion is actually being seen and not in airports barely dressed up or wearing makeup, actually tweeting and not just one tweet saying watch my show, actually talking to the press and giving interviews....the Daily Mail data mining old tweets, instagram pics, old articles is not doing press.

So while others call Meghan an attention seeker, I say where the eff is she??!! Ghosting is not being an attention seeker....having other people speak for you is not a good media public relations campaign. Losing your voice and brand is NOT attention seeking So IMHO Meghan is not committed to the public relations part of her job.
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Old 01-31-2017, 10:46 PM
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All they are doing is prioritising existing commitments to their job - just as we would.

New relationship, major project/work (for which I get paid) - work comes first. That's the real world. No one knows if this is going to last, so Meghan in particular isn't going to burn her bridges. Sensible
Reflective that they are both at a more responsible serious age. They aren't fresh out of university. She isn't willing to drop her career to be 'available'. Royal or not, expecting a girlfriend to plan their entire existence around you is not reasonable. Maybe when you are younger and haven't really established an adult life. But not at 35. Yes if they get married, or at least by engagement she will have to shift into Royal life. But her continuing her job and charity work is not a sign of the relationship not being serious or committed. Simply a sign that both people involved are adults who understand work and life commitments are just as important.
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