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Old 12-16-2016, 09:47 PM
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I thought I heard Kate was half Jewish herself did they bug her about that? Some will say she (Meghan) straightens her hair to look white but both Meghan and Kate have naturally curly hair and tanned skin...I've seen some Middletons darker than Meghan and she is still getting bashed...I've even heard she will never be a "princess" or accepted by the Queen because she has brown eyes (Which are a honey color to me) as if the heir to the throne Prince George doesn't have Brown eyes! It's a shame.
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Old 12-16-2016, 09:52 PM
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Out in the real world, the British people are not discussing her ethnicity, nationality, career, age, religion or previous marriage.

Harry has a girlfriend - thats it. There is probably a hope that he's happy but thats it.

Media has a job to do, but so does Troll Central. Ignore Troll Central as it doesnt reflect British opinion.

Come on folks. They are dating. Thats it. Chill!

The BRF really wont be as concerned as some people on this forum.
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Old 12-16-2016, 10:23 PM
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Ya'll need to stop reading comboxes on those media sites.

The vast majority of Brits (and Americans...which most Americans could care less about any royal family) could give a fig that Meghan is mixed race. The majority of comments I've seen here only focus on her acting and where she lives as possible issues.

If anything it's more of a class bias than anything else.


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Old 12-16-2016, 10:26 PM
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For starters, as Zonk has already pointed out, a war 300 years ago doesn't mean that Americans can't marry Brits, be they commoners, aristocrats, or nobles.

Edward VIII already married an American. Many, many British nobles have married Americans over the years.

And to make it clear, she won't be an American princess. In all likelihood, she'll become a dual citizen if they marry.
Of course Americans can marry Brits, just not the Royal Family, they got rid of us, why should they now have the privilege to be part of the BRF or want to for that matter. She is part of the Hollywood culture that make movies like "The Patriot" or HBO series "John Adams". A lot of anti British sentiment.

Of course the War for Independence had nothing to do with Meghan, but history is what it is, I just don't think she would be accepted.
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Old 12-16-2016, 10:37 PM
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Of course Americans can marry Brits, just not the Royal Family, they got rid of us, why should they now have the privilege to be part of the BRF or want to for that matter. She is part of the Hollywood culture that make movies like "The Patriot" or HBO series "John Adams". A lot of anti British sentiment.

Of course the War for Independence had nothing to do with Meghan, but history is what it is, I just don't think she would be accepted.
Winston Churchill's mother was American, Princess Diana has an American ancestors.
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Old 12-16-2016, 10:41 PM
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Of course Americans can marry Brits, just not the Royal Family, they got rid of us, why should they now have the privilege to be part of the BRF or want to for that matter. She is part of the Hollywood culture that make movies like "The Patriot" or HBO series "John Adams". A lot of anti British sentiment.

Of course the War for Independence had nothing to do with Meghan, but history is what it is, I just don't think she would be accepted.
AT the risk of getting my post deleted but speaking as a Brit, I think your comments are complete tosh!

All the majority of British people will want is for Harry to be happy, get it right and for the marriage to last. And thats for his sake, rather than ours.

The line of succession is secure. He is not under any pressure at all.
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Old 12-16-2016, 10:49 PM
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Of course Americans can marry Brits, just not the Royal Family, they got rid of us, why should they now have the privilege to be part of the BRF or want to for that matter. She is part of the Hollywood culture that make movies like "The Patriot" or HBO series "John Adams". A lot of anti British sentiment.

Of course the War for Independence had nothing to do with Meghan, but history is what it is, I just don't think she would be accepted.
I am trying not to be rude or dismissive but you are all over the place and it's not making any sense.

1] What rule or law states that a member of the British Royal family can't marry and American? Please do not cite Wallis Simpson as example, that was a different time, different expectations and different people.

2] They got rid of us? What does that mean? By they do you mean the British? By us do you mean the United States? The US declared independence, we fought it out, they surrendered, acknowledged our independence left and we won.

3] What do movies/television series over five years old...if not older have to do with Meaghan? Considering that many British actors are VERY popular and respected in Hollywood...how can you state there is anti British sentiment.

4] Please provide examples on why Meaghan would not be accepted by the British public.

To be quite honest, the majority of people that seem to have an issue with Meaghan are not British subjects but people from other countries.

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AT the risk of getting my post deleted but speaking as a Brit, I think your comments are complete tosh!

All the majority of British people will want is for Harry to be happy, get it right and for the marriage to last. And thats for his sake, rather than ours.

The line of succession is secure. He is not under any pressure at all.
Exactly. The future of the monarchy is Charles, William and George.

Harry and his wife will gradually fade into the woodwork. They will have a role during the reign of Charles and the early days of William until George and Charlotte are old enough to do royal duties. And than we will have people trying to push Harry and his wife into retirement...much as they do now for the Kents and Gloucesters.
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Old 12-16-2016, 10:52 PM
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And let us not forget the illustrious Thelma Furness, Viscountess Furness that was mistress to The Prince of Wales before he became King Edward VIII and introduced him to Wallis Simpson. Thelma is also known as being a great aunt to Anderson Cooper the CNN anchorman.

I also agree the American Revolutionary War has had virtually no impact in the modern era on relations between the Americans and the British and there have been countless marriages between Americans and the aristocracy for a long time. The influx of American wealth has saved quite a few stately "piles" from descending into complete ruins.

Diana's grandmother Ruth, Lady Fermoy was Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother's friend and confidant for years and she had (gasp) American roots.
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Old 12-16-2016, 11:16 PM
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Of course Americans can marry Brits, just not the Royal Family, they got rid of us, why should they now have the privilege to be part of the BRF or want to for that matter. She is part of the Hollywood culture that make movies like "The Patriot" or HBO series "John Adams". A lot of anti British sentiment.

Of course the War for Independence had nothing to do with Meghan, but history is what it is, I just don't think she would be accepted.
We Americans came in pretty handy during a couple of wars, though. And we didn't fight to save just the BRF, either.
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Old 12-16-2016, 11:21 PM
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I am sorry to have started the entire discussion on the American vs British alliance, I guess I am not getting my point across, so I will just apologize and leave it at that.
Sorry if I had offended anybody on either side of the pond
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Old 12-16-2016, 11:40 PM
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Not to worry Zaika. All opinions are welcomed and respected and it does make for some really good discussions and an incredible medium for learning something new.

One thing that makes these forums and threads so popular is that its pretty much the way of things to have an opinion on something but not just because its what one thinks but because there is a basis in credible fact for that opinion. As in "this is what I think and why I think this way".

Its these kind of conversations that make TRF a message board of higher standards than a gossip site or the comment section of the Daily Mail.

Welcome to TRF Zaika and glad to see you jumping in and getting more than your little toe wet.
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Old 12-16-2016, 11:43 PM
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Yes, I've said that from the beginning. People point to other things, but in reality the problem is she is biracial. I have not seen Harry's ex girlfriends being attacked like this. Chelsy was not English and Cressida was an actress and no one cared.
Meghan is Half Black. That is the problem 100% with the attacks and negative posts and comments. Bingo!

Now I see Harry's point in his statement.
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Old 12-16-2016, 11:46 PM
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We Americans came in pretty handy during a couple of wars, though. And we didn't fight to save just the BRF, either.

I know, you guys were great, thank you
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Old 12-16-2016, 11:54 PM
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I haven't seen anyone say anything about her race. I think you have to be careful when you start accusing people of something that isn't true.
For the record I don't care that she's half black,half Jewish ,maybe catholic ,American ,outspoken, divorced, etc etc etc I do worry about the acting thing that I have posted.
I wish them well but it's early days
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Old 12-17-2016, 12:02 AM
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For all we know, Meghan could gladly give up working on a drama series set and prefer to work on the world stage where there really is a better chance of making a difference.

As people age, they also grow in maturity and their priorities can shift and things that were appealing and beckoning in their 20s opened different doors for them in their 30s.

We've seen how Harry made a change between giving up an Army career which he's wanted since he was a kid to taking his Army experiences and working to make a difference for service personnel that have been wounded or hurt when adjusting to civilian life again as Prince Henry of Wales.

Its growth and its change that makes life more fulfilling in the long run.
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Old 12-17-2016, 12:10 AM
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By racist comment I think American Observer means out there in Twitter, Tumblr, Blog land and over the Internet in general in the early days after the KP statement. Even in another forum there was one poster who was having the vapours about George and Charlotte having to 'play with dusky cousins'! When I read that I thought I was back in the 1920's!

However, I haven't seen any racist remarks on here at all, and (I'm on the Internet a lot) it's certainly calmed down a lot out there over the last week or two. Most of the naysayers are now consulting astrology in the hopes of a breakup, or shaking their heads over her IG and Twitter accounts and hoping Harry meets someone else!

Ncidentally, I remember the Chelsy years when she was accused of looking like a barmaid after a bad weekend by some on Tumblrs , and Cressida was referred to as CressMess, so this isn't new!
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Old 12-17-2016, 12:29 AM
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I don't believe in royal blood etc or that royals shouldn't marry "commoners"
But I am concerned that Meghan is an actor for most actors acting is a passion and not something they can walk away from. Look at actors who act on long after most people have retired. Everything I have read about Princess Grace says she missed her acting and was very sad she couldn't continue.
I would hope that if Meghan does marry Harry she can be happy without acting anymore because I don't think anyone would be ready for a wife and possible mother of a member of the BRF to be living in another country while she makes a movie etc
Harry's wife needs to join the firm do her job and be happy doing that , there is no other option.
Anyway just my take on it marriage isn't a Mills and Boon book especially a royal one
Princess Grace's situation is different than Meghan, should they decide to marry. Unless I'm way off base, I believe Princess Grace was not championing any social issues prior to her marriage. She had to find the issues that she's interested in in addition to giving up everything she's known and loved. Meghan is already very active in charity work for social issues she's passionate about. Particularly in gender equality as well as improving lives of those in impoverished countries. So, for her, it's more of a shift from one job to other work she's already doing. That's honestly why I felt this seemed like such a good match when the story first came out.

Also, at this point, the onboardig of commoners to the royal family seems to have improved. The royal family has learned its lessons when it comes to not preparing someone for the role. I think they've done very well with Kate. Rainier certainly didn't do as much. Plus, with the improvement in technology, it's a lot easier for international travels, so Meghan could still see her family regularly.

BTW, preparing someone for the role And Suits are why I don't see an engagement until late 2018 at the earliest if it gets that far. She'd probably have to live in Britain for awhile first, and that won't happen until late 2017 or early 2018 bc Suits won't wrap up filming for it's likely last season. Then she'd have to adjust to life and they would have to spend some time together and see before getting engaged.
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Princess Grace's situation is different than Meghan, should they decide to marry. Unless I'm way off base, I believe Princess Grace was not championing any social issues prior to her marriage. She had to find the issues that she's interested in in addition to giving up everything she's known and loved. Meghan is already very active in charity work for social issues she's passionate about. Particularly in gender equality as well as improving lives of those in impoverished countries. So, for her, it's more of a shift from one job to other work she's already doing. That's honestly why I felt this seemed like such a good match when the story first came out.

Also, at this point, the onboardig of commoners to the royal family seems to have improved. The royal family has learned its lessons when it comes to not preparing someone for the role. I think they've done very well with Kate. Rainier certainly didn't do as much. Plus, with the improvement in technology, it's a lot easier for international travels, so Meghan could still see her family regularly.

Princess Grace is a poor comparison in many ways.

When she got married, Princess Grace was only 26 and she was automatically the wife of the head of state. She was at the prime of her career - her first film was released in 1951, and by the time of her wedding 5 years later she's done 11 movies and won 1 Oscar and 3 Golden Globes, and been nominated for another Oscar. She had to give up a lot for her marriage.

Meghan, however... she's not a huge actress. She's had a major role on one TV show that many people haven't heard of. She hasn't had many roles outside of it, few of which were staring. She's a fair bit older than Grace Kelly was when she got married. Meghan's spoken about how she's struggled in her career because of her "ambiguous" ethnicity (she's too dark to play white, but too light to play black), and when Suits ends she's likely going to have to struggle to find roles because of her age.

On top of that, unlike Princess Grace, Meghan already has philanthropic experience, so she has something she could build upon if she were to become a royal.

I think the biggie career wise for Meghan is going to be more whether or not she's going to have to leave Suits before it ends than giving up her whole career. I think if Suits were to end at season 7 then Meghan might not have a hard time giving up acting for a royal marriage. But if it were renewed for an 8th season, then it might be more of a sacrifice for her (especially if her new notoriety does help Suits' ratings).
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Princess Grace is a poor comparison in many ways.

When she got married, Princess Grace was only 26 and she was automatically the wife of the head of state. She was at the prime of her career - her first film was released in 1951, and by the time of her wedding 5 years later she's done 11 movies and won 1 Oscar and 3 Golden Globes, and been nominated for another Oscar. She had to give up a lot for her marriage.

Meghan, however... she's not a huge actress. She's had a major role on one TV show that many people haven't heard of. She hasn't had many roles outside of it, few of which were staring. She's a fair bit older than Grace Kelly was when she got married. Meghan's spoken about how she's struggled in her career because of her "ambiguous" ethnicity (she's too dark to play white, but too light to play black), and when Suits ends she's likely going to have to struggle to find roles because of her age.

On top of that, unlike Princess Grace, Meghan already has philanthropic experience, so she has something she could build upon if she were to become a royal.

I think the biggie career wise for Meghan is going to be more whether or not she's going to have to leave Suits before it ends than giving up her whole career. I think if Suits were to end at season 7 then Meghan might not have a hard time giving up acting for a royal marriage. But if it were renewed for an 8th season, then it might be more of a sacrifice for her (especially if her new notoriety does help Suits' ratings).
You are absolutely right. Especially on the age thing. Nothing wrong with either woman's age, but a lot of things does come with age. Especially understanding yourself and finding your causes.

I'm a huge Suits fan, and that's why I've paid so much attention to this relationship. From everything we've heard, it doesn't seem likely an 8th season will happen. Now if that changed if this relationship driving up rating, which I doubt it will in long run, actors were probably only contracted until 7th season. That means Meghan would have an out if they are serious enough at that point. However, they have some time to figure that out if it ever comes down to that.
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And it's not just suits she might be offered movie roles that she's longed for. She may be more than happy to give it all up for Harry just hope she's well aware of what her life will be and what she can and cannot say and do


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