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Old 12-16-2016, 09:03 AM
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I don't think there was ever a complaint about normal press and public curiosity, or being seen out and about. How is that for a relationship, to hide away and never go out together?

Harry adressed 3 quite specific issues; the paparazzi trying to break into her home, the racist undertones and straight out sexism and Meghan's mother being harassed. Didn't he say, that he understands the curiosity to his private life? I don't think that was the issue at all.
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Old 12-16-2016, 09:09 AM
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Harry has always had boundaries, just like any other royal. When the Mirror published pics of him and Cressida at the Royal Albert Hall in 2014, Harry complained to the PCC and had the pics removed.
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Old 12-16-2016, 09:31 AM
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I don't think there was ever a complaint about normal press and public curiosity, or being seen out and about. How is that for a relationship, to hide away and never go out together?

Harry adressed 3 quite specific issues; the paparazzi trying to break into her home, the racist undertones and straight out sexism and Meghan's mother being harassed. Didn't he say, that he understands the curiosity to his private life? I don't think that was the issue at all.
True, there is a difference between privacy and being harassed. Clearly the press crossed that line.

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I don't think she looks miserable. Cold, maybe! I think she's looking down at where she's stepping while Harry is talking. After all, there is absolutely no reason for Meghan to be by Harry's side if she doesn't want to be.

That photo is a split couple of seconds in time taken by a passerby in a bus, as a young couple in love make their way to a theatre date. Absolutely no reason for Meghan to be miserable IMO, and if she'd been grinning her head off observers would be saying 'What a publicity hound! She knew she would be photographed!' She can't win!
In other pictures you can see that the RPO is listening to Harry, so since they got out of the car to walk to the theatre I would assume that maybe Harry was pointing out where it was located.
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Old 12-16-2016, 12:27 PM
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Hypothetical situation: would the media/public be more "okay" with Prince Harry marrying a widow instead of a divorcee? Would there be a difference?
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Old 12-16-2016, 12:43 PM
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of course there is a difference. Not that I am saying there is anything wrong with a divorcee because I am not.

No one is expecting him to marry a virgin. Any girl in her thirties is going to have had dated plain and simple. Having taken the next step and been married, a much larger commitment is another matter.

Divorces bring up the issue of commitment. She has already had one failed marriage, how long will this one last? Then there is also the religious issue. The church of England only recognizes divorces on a case to case basis. Is she still considered married in their eyes since her ex is alive? There will be some traditionalists who would say yes. Nonsense since the future king and his wife are both divorced and her ex was alive even they wed. Not to mention Anne. Harry will never be king, so like Anne, divorce should be no issue.

On the other hand a widow lost her husband. She didnt choose to leave her husband. There aren't the same questions about lack of commitment or doubts of why it broke up. And no question of church support, as former spouse is dead.
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Old 12-16-2016, 01:04 PM
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A divorce is a red flag especially when you look a little deeper- she dated the first husband seven years, married in Sept 2011, split May 2013, divorced Aug 2013. They didn't even make to second anniversary.

That would be a PR disaster if a royal couple did that.

A widow can't control what happened to her husband.
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Old 12-16-2016, 01:05 PM
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of curse there is a difference. Not that I am saying there is anything wrong with a divorcee because I am not.

No one is expecting him to marry a virgin. Any girl in her thirties is going to have had dated plain and simple. Having taken the next step and been married, a much larger commitment is another matter.

Divorces bring up the issue of commitment. She has already had one failed marriage, his long will this one last? Then there is also the religious issue. The church if England only recognizes divorces on a case to case basis. Is she still considered married in their eyes since her ex is alive? There will be some traditionalists who would say yes. Nonsense since the future king and his wife are both divorced and her ex was alive even they wed. Not to mention Anne. Harry will never be king, so like Anne, divorce should be no issue.

On the other hand a widow lost her husband. She dudnt choose to leave her husband. There aren't the same questions about lack of commitment or doubts if why it broke up. And no question of church support, as former spouse is dead.
This point has come up before, but I don't believe anyone offered much insight to it. Meghan was never married in the CoE. If she converts, and if her and Harry get to that point and wish to marry under CoE. Would that still be an issue? I think that's how Letizia was able to marry in Catholic church even though she was divorced.
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Old 12-16-2016, 01:08 PM
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The fact that she's divorced isn't really an issue within the royal family. His father, stepmother, aunt, and uncle are divorced. It happens.
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Old 12-16-2016, 01:09 PM
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A divorce is a red flag especially when you look a little deeper- she dated the first husband seven years, married in Sept 2011, split May 2013, divorced Aug 2013. They didn't even make to second anniversary.

That would be a PR disaster if a royal couple did that.

A widow can't control what happened to her husband.
She's been getting a lot of flack for her past because some thinks it's a reflection on her ability to commit. She has been in two relationships since her early 20s. The relationship that ended in a short marriage was one that lasted almost a decade. And then there is one more somewhat long term relationship between that and Harry. From what we've heard, her marriage started having problems soon after the wedding because they are based in two cities, and her other relationship was strained for months before the break up. I just don't see how anyone can question her ability to commit if the girl consistently has shown she can commit but sometimes things just don't work out. Yet, no one seems to be questioning Harry's ability to commit. And really, the only difference is she actually married the guy whereas he never married Chelsea.
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Old 12-16-2016, 01:19 PM
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This point has come up before, but I don't believe anyone offered much insight to it. Meghan was never married in the CoE. If she converts, and if her and Harry get to that point and wish to marry under CoE. Would that still be an issue? I think that's how Letizia was able to marry in Catholic church even though she was divorced.
Letizia didn't convert, she was always Catholic.

You can't compare the two. The Catholic Church and Church of England are very different. The Catholic Church doesn't recognize divorce. If a Catholic couple is divorced, neither would be allowed to remarry in the church, until one of them died. Unless they apply for an annulment. Unlike a divorce, an annulment means the marriage never happened, never existed. Letizia never had to apply for this. The Catholic Church doesnt recognize civil marriages. So she was never considered to be married by the church, in the eyes of the church she was not divorced. Civilly she was required to divorce, or she would have been a bigamist. But for her marriage to Felipe, only church marriage mattered,

The Church of England recognized both civil marriages and those performed in other religions. Just as Charles and camillas is recognized though civil. And Anne and Tim is though performed by the Church of Scotland. So even if Meghan was married civilly, in England she is seen as a divorcee.
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Old 12-16-2016, 01:38 PM
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Letizia didn't convert, she was always Catholic.

You can't compare the two. The Catholic Church and Church of England are very different. The Catholic Church doesn't recognize divorce. If a Catholic couple is divorced, neither would be allowed to remarry in the church, until one of them died. Unless they apply for an annulment. Unlike a divorce, an annulment means the marriage never happened, never existed. Letizia never had to apply for this. The Catholic Church died the recognize civil marriages. So she was never considered to be married by the church, in the eyes of the church she was not divorced. Civilly she was required to divorce, or she would have been a bigamist. But for her marriage to Felipe, only church marriage mattered,

The Church of England recognized both civil marriages and those performed in other religions. Just as Charles and camillas is recognized though civil. And Anne and Tim is though performed by the Church of Scotland. So even if Meghan was married civilly, in England she is seen as a divorcee.
I know Letizia didn't convert and was always Catholic. My comparison was more on the Catholic Church not recognizing her first marriage. I didn't know the CoE recognized all marriages.
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Old 12-16-2016, 01:38 PM
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She was in a ten year long relationship, that doesn't suggest she's unable to commit.

I've been reading around a bit on the net, and there are such unrealistic ecpectations for the woman Harry should marry. She should be a woman not over the age of 25, with supermodel looks, have a PhD, but lived her life like a nun, but possess the wisdom and life experience (without actually living that life) of a grandmother. The restrictions and limitations for the women the royals can marry, and the life changes the future spouse has to do, seriously limits options.

IMO Harry is a catch, but with the restrictions and rules and limits his position brings, he's lucky if he finds a woman, whom he adores, who inspires him, who adores and likes him back, and wants to be with him long term, marry him etc, even after all the 'no can't do's put in fromt of her. A woman with Meghan's 'past' is a dream scenario, IMO, her worst past offences being a silly IG post of two bananas, and two past long term relationships.
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Old 12-16-2016, 01:43 PM
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She was in a ten year long relationship, that doesn't suggest she's unable to commit.

I've been reading around a bit on the net, and there are such unrealistic ecpectations for the woman Harry should marry. She should be a woman not over the age of 25, with supermodel looks, have a PhD, but lived her life like a nun, but possess the wisdom and life experience (without actually living that life) of a grandmother. The restrictions and limitations for the women the royals can marry, and the life changes the future spouse has to do, seriously limits options.

IMO Harry is a catch, but with the restrictions and rules and limits his position brings, he's lucky if he finds a woman, whom he adores, who inspires him, who adores and likes him back, and wants to be with him long term, marry him etc, even after all the 'no can't do's put in fromt of her. A woman with Meghan's 'past' is a dream scenario, IMO, her worst past offences being a silly IG post of two bananas, and two past long term relationships.
Agreed. Plus, I think any women that Harry really likes and can get along with over long term seems not to be the type that are just simple minded. I know he's famous for being party prince, but he also seems to really care about the problems in this world and genuinely want to use his influence to help issues he cares about instead of just do charitable work because he's got no other options.
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Old 12-16-2016, 03:38 PM
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She was in a ten year long relationship, that doesn't suggest she's unable to commit.

I've been reading around a bit on the net, and there are such unrealistic ecpectations for the woman Harry should marry. She should be a woman not over the age of 25, with supermodel looks, have a PhD, but lived her life like a nun, but possess the wisdom and life experience (without actually living that life) of a grandmother. The restrictions and limitations for the women the royals can marry, and the life changes the future spouse has to do, seriously limits options.

IMO Harry is a catch, but with the restrictions and rules and limits his position brings, he's lucky if he finds a woman, whom he adores, who inspires him, who adores and likes him back, and wants to be with him long term, marry him etc, even after all the 'no can't do's put in fromt of her. A woman with Meghan's 'past' is a dream scenario, IMO, her worst past offences being a silly IG post of two bananas, and two past long term relationships.
This is so true! a silly banana post that was posted while both of them where cooped up is not that big of a deal.

I used to be very against Carl Phillip and Sophie but then I saw the way they looked at each other during their wedding and thought all that matters is they are two people who love each other. THAT IS ALL! Im happy for anyone who can find that one person who they love and loves them back.
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Old 12-16-2016, 03:50 PM
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A divorce is a red flag especially when you look a little deeper- she dated the first husband seven years, married in Sept 2011, split May 2013, divorced Aug 2013. They didn't even make to second anniversary.

That would be a PR disaster if a royal couple did that.

A widow can't control what happened to her husband.
I don't think Meghan's previous marriage should be held against her or used as an example that she can't commit. They should have broken up before they got married.

I had front row access to a friend who did almost the exact same thing [except they dated for eight years] and were married for two and a half years. They ended up divorcing because of his infidelity but while they were working on it with a counselor, you know what he admitted...that he proposed because it was the expected next step...they had already been together so long....that's what you do when you date that long. They both remarried with shorter relationships [two years dating their spouses] and both have been married for ten years.

So if after all this time, if that is the reason why you are marrying your long term girlfriend/boyfriend..you shouldn't be doing it.

Harry knows what is expected of him and I would imagine that Meghan is getting a crash course as we speak.

If this gets to the point of marriage...everyone will have an idea on what is expected from the other party.
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Old 12-16-2016, 04:34 PM
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No the C of E wouldn't see her as a divorcee. It's correct that although in the past it was exactly the same as the Catholic Church in never, ever marrying divorcees who had been married in church before ( remember Princess Margaret's statement when she decided not to marry the divorced Townsend? She said she was"mindful of the Church's teaching that Christian marriage is indissoluble") it will now consider doing so in SOME cases. I presume these may be cases where the person wishing to remarry in Church had no or a much lesser role in the breakdown of their first marriage. It's perhaps not surprising that in the case of Charles and Camilla no offer of full remarriage was forthcoming by the Church, only a blessing. Meghan, as far as I know, didn't have a church wedding first time around so it wouldn't be a problem theologically for her to marry in either an Anglican or Catholic Church. This won't, unfortunatley, stop some people still regarding her as damaged goods, but that is a different matter.
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Old 12-16-2016, 04:51 PM
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Someone said she didn't have anyone between her marriage and Harry. I thought there was hockey player, a golfer , and a well known chef who she was with when Harry first started texting her. Also I haven't read where she was married but guess it wasn't a church still not sure that means she wasn't married by the Church of England. This has most likely been asked before but as we don't know what religion she is but guessing not CoE would she have to agree to bring any children up CoE


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Old 12-16-2016, 05:07 PM
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If what we heard was true and she converted to Judaism before her beach wedding...She definitely will not be considered a divorcee because they would never recognize that marriage...Also,Meghan was always adamant Rory McIlroy was just a friend...Even if he wasn't she is old enough to date around until she finds a courtship she could be serious about that could lead to marriage.That's the way Harry has always done it as well.When Harry dates a woman,he dates to marry and it seems like Meghan is the same way...If he knew he would not be able to marry Meghan he would not be wasting a 35 year old woman's time.He might have been a playboy in the past but he is a respectful man and doesn't lead women on.Although one thing is for sure about Meghan,Harry HAS DEFINITELY had more "partners"...No doubt.
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Old 12-16-2016, 05:46 PM
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Why can't some of you just accept that Prince Harry loves Meghan! Many keep bring up the fact that Meghan is divorced!! SO WHAT? We don't know the reasons behind their divorce, so how can anyone judge that? I mean, REALLY now!!

Charles is heir to the throne and he is divorced and married to a woman who is divorced and he cheated on his first wife! So, how can anyone judge Meghan or complain about her past etc?

And finally, if there were a problem of any kind (including religion) with him dating or marrying Meghan, it would ended by now and not lasted for 8 months.

Harry is going to marry Meghan if that's what he wants and it won't matter to him what anyone thinks. Harry is going to do EXACTLY what he wants regardless of so-called public opinion and the Queen will give her blessing.

Meghan is a self accomplished successful woman and mature! We all should be happy for Harry!
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I also don't think she had anything going on with Rory McIlroy. There wasn't time. She got with Chef Cory very quickly. She and her husband separated May 2013 and she was already tweeting Chef Cory a couple weeks later in June 2013.
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