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Old 12-29-2013, 05:31 PM
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Well stated, Osipi!
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I have to admit I grind my teeth every time I hear about either William or Harry's "dysfunctional" childhood as if they are somehow mentally fragile and irreparably damaged in some way. To be honest it creeps me out.

They may want to be seen and treated as "real" men but until people see them as adult men living a relatively normal lives for that "income" and "social" strata they will never be seen as normal let alone adult. William's marriage didn't help his image in that respect and Harry's supposed girlfriend is merely underscoring the whole dysfunctional image.
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Old 12-30-2013, 01:29 AM
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I have to admit I grind my teeth every time I hear about either William or Harry's "disfunctional" childhood as if they are somehow mentally fragile and irreparably damaged in some way. To be honest it creeps me out.

They may want to be seen and treated as "real" men but until people see them as adult men living a relatively normal lives for that "income" and "social" strata they will never be seen as normal let alone adult. William's marriage didn't help his image in that respect and Harry's supposed girlfriend is merely underscoring the whole disfunctional image.
I have to agree with you on the use of dysfunctional. Its too easily applied and worn out adjective to families. Guess its the norm these days if a parent spanks their kid, there's something wrong with them. Everything has a label.
I was just making a point in that experiencing things with their parents, they learn not to make that mistake.

What there was in Wills and Harry's childhood was a lot of love from both parents. The parents didn't get along quite so well. End of that. They loved both of their parents unconditionally. That's what real love is. A no matter what kind of love. Even though the Wales has their own troubles, they both were there 100% for their kids

One thing I learned a long time ago is that what people think of me doesn't matter. If they don't like me, its THEIR problem. Who I know and who I hang out with is my own choice. I'm glad I wasn't raised to believe that someone that earned more than me was a catch to be smoozed and that money was the end all of who I am.

I see Cressida and Harry as people that have perhaps known each other for a while and lately the "TING" went off and they're attracted to each other. Will it work? Its not up to us and as I said earlier.. they're not talking.,
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Old 12-30-2013, 03:30 PM
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If there was ever a dysfunctional childhood - just look at Prince of Wales as well as Diana.

True their parents were unhappy and got a divorce and later their mother was killed in a terrible public car wreck. But through it all, both parents showed their love for both boys. I doubt either has ever questioned that they are deeply loved. And from their own comments, the Queen and Prince Phillip were deeply attentive, caring and loving toward them.

Both William and Harry seem fairly happy and content with their lives. Both have been given freedom to follow the path they chose. William attended the university of his choice and Happy entered the military as he wanted. I think their father listens to them and not what the BP maps out. There have been no stories about either being miserable ..... unlike most bio of Charles.
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Old 12-30-2013, 06:17 PM
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I have to admit I grind my teeth every time I hear about either William or Harry's "disfunctional" childhood as if they are somehow mentally fragile and irreparably damaged in some way. To be honest it creeps me out.

They may want to be seen and treated as "real" men but until people see them as adult men living a relatively normal lives for that "income" and "social" strata they will never be seen as normal let alone adult. William's marriage didn't help his image in that respect and Harry's supposed girlfriend is merely underscoring the whole disfunctional image.

The late Princess of Wales undoubtedly loved her boys more than anything, but she also reportedly manipulated them and put them(especially William) in the position of having to "take care" of her emotionally. There was a lot of tension in the Wales househould, a lot of seeing their mother in tears. The story of 8 year old William sitting outside the bathroom pushing tissues to her up under the door while she sobbed inside is a heartbreaking example. The embarrassment and anger he experienced over the Panorama interview is another.It was bound to have put a tremendous emotional strain on both, despite the love they received. It does not necessarily mean that they are damaged or fragile. People who cringe at the word dysfunctional can substitute unhealthy instead.

I am a little confused at your comment about William's marriage, which is why I highlighted it.
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Old 12-30-2013, 06:31 PM
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I had to check the title of this thread to remind me what the topic of this particular thread is.

For the record, the topic is Prince Harry and his romantic relationships.

Not Willam, Kate or Diana. So let's get back on topic.

Any and all additional off topic posts will be deleted without notice.
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:14 AM
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I am a little confused at your comment about William's marriage, which is why I highlighted it.
Every time it seems Harry has or may have a Girlfriend, out trot the comments on how he is too young, too unstable, too damaged to be in, or to sustain, a relationship "at this stage", which has been to same song since he was first seen with Chelsey. Now poor Cressida's family history has been added to the disaster that "would inevitably be' a marriage between the two of them.

The same happened with William and unfortunately his marriage hasn't changed anything. Everything he does is framed through the lens of his "dysfunctional" upbringing. Every decision he makes for he or Catherine is defined by those events.

Neither William nor Harry seem to be allowed to just see a girl, fall in love, want to get married, marry and have children for themselves. Nothing is their own, least of all their love lives. Harry can't just be in love and testing the water to see if there is a chance for a future together. People just keep wittering on about his childhood and his mother. I can't think of any other prominent person whose lovelife is forever defined by a late parent.
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Old 12-31-2013, 05:50 AM
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Every time it seems Harry has or may have a Girlfriend, out trot the comments on how he is too young, too unstable, too damaged to be in, or to sustain, a relationship "at this stage", which has been to same song since he was first seen with Chelsey. Now poor Cressida's family history has been added to the disaster that "would inevitably be' a marriage between the two of them.

The same happened with William and unfortunately his marriage hasn't changed anything. Everything he does is framed through the lens of his "dysfunctional" upbringing. Every decision he makes for he or Catherine is defined by those events.

Neither William nor Harry seem to be allowed to just see a girl, fall in love, want to get married, marry and have children for themselves. Nothing is their own, least of all their love lives. Harry can't just be in love and testing the water to see if there is a chance for a future together. People just keep wittering on about his childhood and his mother. I 'can't think of any other prominent person whose lovelife is forever defined by a late parent.
I completely agree with you Marge.
Poor Harry, it's almost as if he isn't allowed to just be happy. Everything is over-analysed and 'psychologised'.
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The only time I have questioned Harry's maturity it's been in response to something he has done, like the Vegas caper a couple of years ago. I have never doubted(recently) that he might be ready for a stable relationship.

I certainly hope he is. He will be 30 years old in September.
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A funny video of Cressida! (She already has a fan page, updated as well)
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This makes me angry! no privacy at all! Cressida and Eugenie behave too well with that paparazzi! (the vid has no sound)
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You can judge her dance skills! I'm not a dancer so I cannot express myself! Cressida is the 4 from left! (And the one who comes from the black curtain)
By the way: Is that her? (From the tv series Trinity)
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The only time I have questioned Harry's maturity it's been in response to something he has done, like the Vegas caper a couple of years ago. I have never doubted(recently) that he might be ready for a stable relationship.

I certainly hope he is. He will be 30 years old in September.
I don't doubt Harry is ready for a stable relationship but I don't think Cressida is the one to offer stability. First of all, she is very young (24) and secondly, she is from a VERY unstable family. Her mother has been married four times and has five children by three of those men so Cressida has a multitude of "step" siblings. How stable can a child from such a background be? How can she not be a bit afraid of marriage? Of course, Harry's home life wasn't exactly perfection either but at least he has spent the majority of his life with one father.

The fact that he and Cressida spent all of the holidays apart might suggest the Brit tabloids might be a bit off the mark. It's none of my business but I think Harry needs to keep looking and hopefully find someone he can count on for a lifetime.
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You can judge her dance skills! I'm not a dancer so I cannot express myself! Cressida is the 4 from left! (And the one who comes from the black curtain)
By the way: Is that her? (From the tv series Trinity)
Can't tell much about the "acting" from that little clip but the dancing isn't very good at all, in my opinion. I dislike "modern" dance so I might be a bit prejudice.
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The dance would be choreographed and directed. She was doing what she was directed to do.
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I watched the dance video and I hated it. I WAS a dancer from ages 5-16, when I quit to go to college. I couldn't tell which was Cressida, however. If she was the one who came from stage left about half way through, her moves were solid. But the choreography and sound was pathetic. I realize that some good dance companies have turned out this kind of material. Never have liked it no matter who did it, even the Joffrey.
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I do quite like Cressida, from what I know, of course. Sure, the dancing video isn't particularly great, I have to agree.
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Prince Harry's romance with Cressida Bonas 'on the rocks' as couple have 'drifted apart' - Mirror Online
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But..but… They were getting married this year.. And having triplets by 2015..

So much for a royal wedding this year.
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