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Old 05-19-2015, 02:11 AM
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At nearly 31, Harry does not appear to know where his life is going. A three month safari trip to Africa. This is not something that will lead to a career. He stated he did not intend to become a full time royal and wanted to experience working among normal people. A trip to Africa chasing animals does not sound like a career but an adventure for a rich white kid.
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To be fair, Harry's interests in Africa lean more to needy humans than safaris.
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To be accurate, Harry's own words, it is about chasing animals.

Harry's African trip is joy ride. It is Harry continuing his hunt for trophies. In Australia he was pictured sitting on a crocodile. In Africa, it will be photos of Harry with lions, elephants and tigers.

It is the great white hunter without the gun.
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It is about chasing animals. It is not about conservation. It is Harry, the great white hunter, going on his African expedition.
Well, since he is supposed to be traveling with a noted Vet and there are great distances to cover, I guess he will "be on safari", but it's obvious that some read the news and some people read into the news. Time will tell as to what actually does happen.

Me? If he is going to be speaking about conservation in Africa, I will find him just a little more credible if he has actually been there and seen what needs to be done.
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Old 05-19-2015, 02:20 AM
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He said in his interview that he wanted to be of use and whatever they wanted him to do to help he would do.
If Harry is anything like his father, and I believe he is, when he says he wants to be "of use" what this means is that he will be spending a great deal of time, and probably also his own money, doing what needs to be done and learning more about the problems, and as his knowledge increases he will be devising plans and putting them into action. In Charles he has a wonderful example.
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Old 05-19-2015, 03:53 AM
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Well, since he is supposed to be traveling with a noted Vet and there are great distances to cover, I guess he will "be on safari", but it's obvious that some read the news and some people read into the news. Time will tell as to what actually does happen.

Me? If he is going to be speaking about conservation in Africa, I will find him just a little more credible if he has actually been there and seen what needs to be done.
I see him as a hypocrite and an imperialist.

His yearly jaunts to shoot wild boars and stags in Spain.

Yet this European is going to Africa to teach the native population or is it to preach to the native population about conservation.

The animals that are endangered or extinct were once plentiful. The wild boar may be plentiful now but may be extinct in a few decades.

A Brit who goes to Spain to kill wild animals and then preaches about conservation, is a hypocrite in anyone's book.
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Old 05-19-2015, 04:44 AM
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Harry and his fellow hunters are not going to lead to the Wild Boar becoming endangered. The Wild Boar (Sus scrofa) is one of the widest ranging mammals in the world. Its wide range, high numbers, and adaptability mean it is classed as "least concern" by the IUCN. The species' numbers are monitored and have been for decades. Their numbers need to be controlled by hunting, it's just a question of correctly assessing bag limits.
http://www.themessengerinspain.com/a...in%20Spain.pdf
http://www.ivb.cz/folia/61/2/6_066.pdf

I wish they'd come over here and have a go at our feral pigs. They are a real environmental pest and cause a huge amount of damage and need to be eliminated.
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Old 05-19-2015, 07:55 AM
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I see him as a hypocrite and an imperialist.

His yearly jaunts to shoot wild boars and stags in Spain.

Yet this European is going to Africa to teach the native population or is it to preach to the native population about conservation.

The animals that are endangered or extinct were once plentiful. The wild boar may be plentiful now but may be extinct in a few decades.

A Brit who goes to Spain to kill wild animals and then preaches about conservation, is a hypocrite in anyone's book.
Perhaps you should remove the word anyone's because you are not speaking on my behalve. This is your opinion and you are antitled to having it, but not everyone shares your opinion.
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Old 05-19-2015, 08:13 AM
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I wish they'd come over here and have a go at our feral pigs. They are a real environmental pest and cause a huge amount of damage and need to be eliminated.

No kidding...here in just the lower half of my state the conservation department said there are at least 5000 wild pigs....and that was 10 years ago. They asked that they be shot on sight. There are dozens of states here with the same story.

Ethical/legal Hunters are conservationists. They keep the populations healthy by managed hunting. We have over 1 million deer here in my state...they have extra hunts almost every year to thin out populations in certain areas.


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Old 05-19-2015, 08:26 AM
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You're not speaking on my behalf, either, Queen Camilla. Harry is no imperialist. He is sincere, I believe, in his desire to help in the conservation area, and good on him for wanting to do it.
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Old 05-19-2015, 08:29 AM
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No kidding...here in just the lower half of my state the conservation department said there are at least 5000 wild pigs....and that was 10 years ago. They asked that they be shot on sight. There are dozens of states here with the same story.

Ethical/legal Hunters are conservationists. They keep the populations healthy by managed hunting. We have over 1 million deer here in my state...they have extra hunts almost every year to thin out populations in certain areas.


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I agree. About 5 yrs ago I was in NZ and people there told about the huge numbers of possums that ruined the native (sometimes endangered) flora and fauna. They were paying people to please shoot them. Same for deer in Fiordland.
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Most states (if not all) here have a 'share the harvest program'. Anyone who hunts but doesn't want the meat donates it to the food banks/soup kitchens etc. Thousands and thousands of pounds of meat are donated annually for the needy/poor.


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Old 05-19-2015, 08:40 AM
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Harry and his fellow hunters are not going to lead to the Wild Boar becoming endangered. The Wild Boar (Sus scrofa) is one of the widest ranging mammals in the world. Its wide range, high numbers, and adaptability mean it is classed as "least concern" by the IUCN. The species' numbers are monitored and have been for decades. Their numbers need to be controlled by hunting, it's just a question of correctly assessing bag limits.
http://www.themessengerinspain.com/a...in%20Spain.pdf
http://www.ivb.cz/folia/61/2/6_066.pdf

I wish they'd come over here and have a go at our feral pigs. They are a real environmental pest and cause a huge amount of damage and need to be eliminated.
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Perhaps you should remove the word anyone's because you are not speaking on my behalve. This is your opinion and you are antitled to having it, but not everyone shares your opinion.
Very well put!
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Old 05-19-2015, 08:47 AM
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Most states (if not all) here have a 'share the harvest program'. Anyone who hunts but doesn't want the meat donates it to the food banks/soup kitchens etc. Thousands and thousands of pounds of meat are donated annually for the needy/poor.


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Really?? That's great. Wish people would do that here.
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Old 05-19-2015, 09:04 AM
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Really?? That's great. Wish people would do that here.
Yes! It started over a decade ago...at first the hunters had to pay for all the meat processing then insurance companies got involved and paid for the processing (lots of damage from deer/auto collisions) ...now I think at least several processors donate their services for those dropping off meat for the program and/or it's paid thru donations.

IF you are interested in reading about it here's a link from my state department of conservation Share the Harvest | Missouri Department of Conservation My state alone donated over 200 thousand pounds of meat last year.


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Old 05-19-2015, 09:07 AM
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Westerns seem to think it is okay to kill animals that they deem are pests or destructive but when Asians or Africans do the same thing it is wrong.

Westerns lecture the developing nations (none Westerns) to to conserve water and resources while the West waste water on their lawns and flower gardens and to fill their swimming pools.

What does Harry know about conservation that he can teach Africans?

Ten people living in a single room using the same water to bathe VS....
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Old 05-19-2015, 09:33 AM
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Westerns seem to think it is okay to kill animals that they deem are pests or destructive but when Asians or Africans do the same thing it is wrong.

Westerns lecture the developing nations (none Westerns) to to conserve water and resources while the West waste water on their lawns and flower gardens and to fill their swimming pools.
You know perfectly no one here is critisising Africans or Asians for killing pests. And killing pests is not the same is killing endangered species.

Are you by any chance a member of Peta??
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Old 05-19-2015, 09:50 AM
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Elenath, you have misunderstood the post.

Lost of habitat is the main reason for endangered species. These Asian and African animals are viewed the same as the badgers, the deers and boars in Western countries.

Asian elephants destroy crops, lions and tigers get too close to humans. These animals compete with humans for resources. African elephant tusks and rhino horns bring income.
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Old 05-19-2015, 10:17 AM
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Elenath, you have misunderstood the post.

Lost of habitat is the main reason for endangered species. These Asian and African animals are viewed the same as the badgers, the deers and boars in Western countries.

Asian elephants destroy crops, lions and tigers get too close to humans. These animals compete with humans for resources. African elephant tusks and rhino horns bring income.
I understood your post perfectly fine but I still maintain there is a difference between killing animals who are endangered or animals who are not. I'm not a big fan of hunting, but I can see the difference between killing a rabbit for food and killing an endangered rhino for it's horn. There are plenty of rabbits but only a few rhino's.
So.. for me there is a difference between Harry hunting in Spain and Harry maybe hunting in Africa. I don't care about the first (even though it's not a thing I would do), but he'd loose my respect if he went hunting in Africa. In the mean time I'm not going to condemn someone for a thing he hasn't done yet.
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Old 05-19-2015, 10:39 AM
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I understood your post perfectly fine but I still maintain there is a difference between killing animals who are endangered or animals who are not. I'm not a big fan of hunting, but I can see the difference between killing a rabbit for food and killing an endangered rhino for it's horn. There are plenty of rabbits but only a few rhino's.
So.. for me there is a difference between Harry hunting in Spain and Harry maybe hunting in Africa. I don't care about the first (even though it's not a thing I would do), but he'd loose my respect if he went hunting in Africa. In the mean time I'm not going to condemn someone for a thing he hasn't done yet.
When one stops to think about it, a hunt to cull the number of a certain animal such as the wild boar can be called a conservation effort. It is done legally and within restrictions set by a certain area. This is what determines the difference between a hunter and a poacher.

I don't think I've ever seen the two words "Harry" and "gun" put together at all as far as this sojourn in Africa is concerned. I did hear "darts" and "work" and "vet" and "park ranger" though. I'm willing to bet my last corn flake that the term "hunting" has never even crossed Harry's mind when it comes to his time in Africa.
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Yet this European is going to Africa to teach the native population or is it to preach to the native population about conservation.
I tend to agree, up to a point.
It seems rather condescending on Harry's part. (Although I think his intentions are good).

It's admirable to do charity and conservation work, but why not do so in his own country? It's not like there aren't plenty of opportunities right at home.

But to go trotting off to Africa to fix things...it does looks patronizing. If I were one of the locals, I know I'd resent it.
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But to go trotting off to Africa to fix things...it does looks patronizing. If I were one of the locals, I know I'd resent it.
Maybe I read things wrong but I don't recall reading anywhere that he'll be in Africa to work with the local population but rather to aid and assist veterinarians and park rangers with the jobs they're required to do in the interest of African wildlife.

I think we're not even going to know what area of Africa he'll be in or be clued in on whatever he does so I think that will pretty much put him off the radar at being spotted and his activities commented on.
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I tend to agree, up to a point.
It seems rather condescending on Harry's part. (Although I think his intentions are good).

It's admirable to do charity and conservation work, but why not do so in his own country? It's not like there aren't plenty of opportunities right at home.

But to go trotting off to Africa to fix things...it does looks patronizing. If I were one of the locals, I know I'd resent it.
The West has been doing charity work in Africa for the last 70 yrs. The result is negligent, but still... Should we stop doing that as well? I'd be for it to be honest. It sometimes seems charity work there does more harm than good.
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