Preferred Wives For William and Harry - Page 70

ysbel · #**1381** 10-27-2007, 10:13 PM

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But Diana worked and so did Camilla I think. I beleive Diana would have been an iron fist parent when it came to the women her sons dated. And Maxima seems like a very classy woman Chelsy doesen't IMO.

Diana may have been very jealous of the women her sons dated but she was never a strict parent or firm disciplinarian by any stretch of the imagination. She rebelled against it and firmly wanted her sons to have a more lenient upbringing.

CasiraghiTrio · #**1382** 10-27-2007, 10:16 PM

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A job is a job CasairaghiTrio it doesen't matter how menial it is.

Exactly. Being a student is work. It may not be a job in the sense of the word you mean because you aren't paid for it, rather you have to pay in order to be a student, but it is still hard work, and it trains you for a career.

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Do you honestly take Chelsy seriously?

I can't answer this because I don't "take" her anyway or anyhow, but I think that based on what we can know about her from articles and pics, she is fine. I believe that she is a serious student because she hasn't given any indication otherwise. She successfully completed her PPE degree in Cape Town and gained a place in postgrad studies. That is pretty serious, I'd say.
Her liking for the wild social scene does not have any bearing on the degree of her seriousness as a student (in other words, in her present job). I do not share that liking (I don't like loud parties or nightclubs) but I know lots of people that love those things and they are as serious in their jobs as anyone else I know.

Russophile · #**1383** 10-28-2007, 12:58 AM

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I beleive Diana would have been an iron fist parent when it came to the women her sons dated.

Most of us moms are. We only want the best for our boys.

chrissy57 · #**1384** 10-28-2007, 01:27 AM

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Diana may have been very jealous of the women her sons dated but she was never a strict parent or firm disciplinarian by any stretch of the imagination. She rebelled against it and firmly wanted her sons to have a more lenient upbringing.

And the result is what we see today - two young men who appear to be always drunk in public and seem to avoid any traditional royal duties.

It may have seemed a good idea at the time but I think in hindsight it wasn't. Charles appears to have continued with her attitude after her death and consequently the idea of duty, with which he was imbued from the cradle, as was his mother, appears sadly lacking in his sons.

In hindsight I think Diana was a great mum to ordinary boys but for these two in their position I think a bit more of the Queen and Duke's approach was needed.

daisygoogles · #**1385** 10-28-2007, 07:48 AM

Charles and Diana were really co-parents .They both had the same philosphy of how they wanted to raise their children. It was the one area in their lives together that they actually agreed with each other.

zembla · #**1386** 10-28-2007, 08:51 AM

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Diana may have been very jealous of the women her sons dated but she was never a strict parent or firm disciplinarian by any stretch of the imagination. She rebelled against it and firmly wanted her sons to have a more lenient upbringing.

Yeah I could only see Diana being slightly jealous for attention, not very strict with them and telling them to dump a girl cause she disapproved. It would be interesting to see how different they would be if she was still around...but...

sirhon11234 · #**1387** 10-28-2007, 09:02 AM

IMO if Diana was alive I don't think Harry would've gotten into so much trouble like wearing that halloween costume or sniffing vodka. Remember she died when Harry was 12 and William was 15 way before they would start to appear drunk in public.

zembla · #**1388** 10-29-2007, 08:04 AM

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IMO if Diana was alive I don't think Harry would've gotten into so much trouble like wearing that halloween costume or sniffing vodka. Remember she died when Harry was 12 and William was 15 way before they would start to appear drunk in public.

They both would probably have a better handle on the media....she knew how to work it out and would've taught them well. Unfourtunately she died too soon to do so...especially with Harry.

CasiraghiTrio · #**1389** 10-29-2007, 02:06 PM

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They both would probably have a better handle on the media....she knew how to work it out and would've taught them well. Unfourtunately she died too soon to do so...especially with Harry.

I hate saying this. I mean, of course I would wish Diana alive. But I think it's possible that in the case of her being alive, the princes might be even more spoiled. Both Charles and Diana were terribly over-indulgent. And Charles perhaps over did things anyway to compensate for the loss of Diana. But of course, it's impossible to say what the result would be like if Diana had survived the crash....

Roslyn · #**1390** 10-29-2007, 05:33 PM

I doubt we'd see them behave very differently if Diana were still alive. They have had the example and influence of their grandparents as far as duty and how to behave in public is concerned and it doesn't seem to have left much of an impression. They were away from home at school, and, in William's case, university, for most of the time anyway, and would do as their peer group does, not what their parents might say. I think it was always likely that they would behave largely the way they have and do.

sirhon11234 · #**1391** 10-29-2007, 06:40 PM

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I hate saying this. I mean, of course I would wish Diana alive. But I think it's possible that in the case of her being alive, the princes might be even more spoiled. Both Charles and Diana were terribly over-indulgent. And Charles perhaps over did things anyway to compensate for the loss of Diana. But of course, it's impossible to say what the result would be like if Diana had survived the crash....

I strongly dissagree with you, Diana did not overly spoil her children I read A Royal Duty and Paul Burrell never once said she spoiled them. I don't think Diana would've sat by and let her kids do whatever they want like Princess Caroline and her kids.

georgiea · #**1392** 10-30-2007, 08:45 AM

I don't think Diana was spoiled as a child from divorce. Diana hated the way her parents gave her things and she had to choose between them. She was just coming into her own after the divorce and realizing that she didn't have much time with her children because of school, sharing time with Charles and the boys becoming teenagers Windsors.

I think she would have done her best to help the boys with guidance with drink, drugs, and sex. But we will never know how teenage boys would have responded. I do think Harry would have had less problems. I don't know about William.

zembla · #**1393** 10-30-2007, 10:22 AM

Well they say William is a lot like his mother as far as his general attitude. He was defintiely the closest to her in all ways...it's been said that he was her closest confidante which can be wrong and cute...however you want to look at it.

Russophile · #**1394** 10-30-2007, 12:32 PM

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Well they say William is a lot like his mother as far as his general attitude. He was defintiely the closest to her in all ways...it's been said that he was her closest confidante which can be wrong and cute...however you want to look at it.

Hmm. That does seem to be the case. My eldest tends to be my confidante as well. . . . .

zembla · #**1395** 10-30-2007, 03:28 PM

Well in After Diana...the author presented evidence pretty much saying that she told him A LOT of deeply personal things. That's why I said at times it could be wrong...or cute LOL. But in the end it sounds like it was a very special relationship...

The book even said at the end that William is less close with his father than Harry...and that could be for a lot of different reasons but I would say he is still his mother's son through and through, no matter how much other influence has been passed onto him after her death.

Russophile · #**1396** 10-30-2007, 03:37 PM

Well I don't tell my son deeply personal things, but a lot of the truth that he should know about. Especially about his father. And that's tough because he loves his father even though the guy's a complete looser.

LOSSEAN · #**1397** 10-30-2007, 09:47 PM

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And the result is what we see today - two young men who appear to be always drunk in public and seem to avoid any traditional royal duties.

It may have seemed a good idea at the time but I think in hindsight it wasn't. Charles appears to have continued with her attitude after her death and consequently the idea of duty, with which he was imbued from the cradle, as was his mother, appears sadly lacking in his sons.

In hindsight I think Diana was a great mum to ordinary boys but for these two in their position I think a bit more of the Queen and Duke's approach was needed.

I admire HM the Queen and HRH the Duke immensely for their devotion to duty and the strength of their marriage but somewhere along the line I feel they have not been successful in transmitting these lessons in relationships to their children as most have ended being divorced. I wish William and Harry to have successful marriages with the ladies they will eventually settle down with.