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Old 07-30-2010, 08:19 PM
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As the royals continue to marry commoners the question will continually be asked 'why should we support them as they are nothing different to us'? While they married within their own class and kind they were people apart but now they are marrying anyone and so in time there will simply be no need for people getting position due to birth - afterall increasingly their bloodlines will be 'commoner' anyway.

It is like breeding thouroughbred horses - you don't put a thouroughbred with a carthorse and expect the people to see the resultant horses as being the same and therefore different to the original type of horse.
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Old 07-31-2010, 01:35 AM
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Amazing post.Moreover I absolutel y agree with all of your points .PW and PH
This sort of behaviour will only speed up the abolishment of the monarchy.
not for support "financially" ....my "neighbors"(commoner,more commoner).for new generation: Monarchy is doomed
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Old 07-31-2010, 09:40 AM
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It is like breeding thouroughbred horses...
Well the otherside of this argument in this day and age is "why support royals who all intermarry amongst themselves and are their by birth, not through merit" It's the 'lucky sperm club', born to the right parents and you'll have riches, if not you're working for them for the rest of your life. Too much breeding in a small gene pool also brings about interbreeding and the thinning of the breeding stock. (Using a horse analogy!) Fresh breeding stock (marrying commoners) is what is needed to revitalise the line.

In this age of meritocracy just being born to the right parents isn't enough. Look at the criticism levelled at Kate Middleton, since she's not the CEO of a major corporation, or heading a major NGO and out saving the world, she is not worthy of marrying William and being a future queen. A generation before, Diana fulfilled the bride requirements simply by being a virgin, (she was a member of the 'lucky sperm club') workwise she wasn't expected to do much. Her CV contained the stipulation that she gave to the nanny agency she worked for that she was unavailable to work weeknights and weekends. Which is when most people need a temporary nanny!

What will bring about the downfall of a monarchy is not royals marrying commoners (the Greek one fell and Constantine married the daughter of a reigning king!) but rather other economic and social factors in the countries.
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Old 08-02-2010, 08:41 PM
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In this age of meritocracy just being born to the right parents isn't enough. Look at the criticism levelled at Kate Middleton, since she's not the CEO of a major corporation, or heading a major NGO and out saving the world, she is not worthy of marrying William and being a future queen.
Nobody said she had to be a CEO, or save the world. Good grief! We would just like her to do something with herself.
That includes Chelsy too. Hopefully she'll get a job going wherever she decides to live.
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:10 AM
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When I was a teen, I remember reading a book about royalty. A Queen (I don't remember which European country she came from), made an observation. She had several children who had died before they reached adulthood. Most of them were under the age of 10 when they died. Some of them had illnesses and difficulties all of their short lives. The Queen had no living children and wasn't able to have more children.

On the other hand her husband's mistress as well as other mistresses of male nobility had children most of whom were living. Many of these children were male.Their children died at a much lower rate than the royal children. Many of their children lived well in adulthood and beyond. The Queen couldn't understand why this was happening.

They didn't understand this back then but I would imagine that the bloodline of this particular King and Queen were too close or thin. This royal blood line as far as any heirs to the throne died out but the mistress still carried the King's royal blood line by her children. The mistress had stronger genes and the children that lived carried this stronger gene pool.
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Old 08-03-2010, 01:18 AM
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I don't see anything wrong with Harry marrying a commoner. Which is what he will most likely do.
The days where royals married their cousins are way over...and quite nasty actually.
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Old 08-04-2010, 10:43 AM
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Agree with you. A commoner who has good manners, conducts his or herself in a dignified manner is a asset to any royal household. The important thing is this person brings positive energy to the family. Someone who is mean, nasty or hateful need not apply.
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Old 08-04-2010, 11:50 AM
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Wait they have printed a story Kate and William Kissing cousins ...she might be worthy after all..lol ........silly....silly....
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Wait they have printed a story Kate and William Kissing cousins ...she might be worthy after all..lol ........silly....silly....
Slow news week.
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Old 08-04-2010, 06:46 PM
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Most of royalty and the aristocracy today are not that closely related to Harry (or William).
I don't think they would ever marry a cousin.
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Old 08-05-2010, 02:08 AM
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Queen Victoria married her first cousin, but the very idea of Harry marrying Beatrice or Eugenie is outrageous. Times change.
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Old 08-05-2010, 03:38 AM
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Queen Victoria married her first cousin, but the very idea of Harry marrying Beatrice or Eugenie is outrageous. Times change.
No, they would not. However, what is wrong with Madeline of Sweden??
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Old 08-05-2010, 05:51 AM
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No, they would not. However, what is wrong with Madeline of Sweden??
I don't think Madeleine would like the strict-ness of The Firm, she would get bored quite easy and she would still want to go out shopping, partying etc and HM wouldn't like that.
However I do agree that she would be good for Harry, just like Chelsy they balance each other out and she is royal, she does know some of what is necessary.
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Old 08-05-2010, 10:05 AM
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One of the Wales brothers must marry into RoyaltyNot a cousin Maybe Harry could marry Charlotte or Alexandra of LuxAnd then he should be King after Charles It's a matter of status and continuityThe British Monarchy needs more royal blood in their veins
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Old 08-05-2010, 10:23 AM
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They need to marry someone they love, who understands what they are undertaking by marrying into the BRF and someone who will contribute something new to the royals.
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Old 08-05-2010, 10:29 AM
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And this someone must be another Royal Nobody will understand them better
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Old 08-05-2010, 10:34 AM
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That is quite true, but unlikely to happen. You suggested Charlotte Casiraghi, who doesn't have her own title and has been brought up in a very relaxed environment. Marrying into the confines of the BRF is going to be quite a culture shock.
I don't know anything about Alexandra of Lux? Is she a catholic?
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Old 08-05-2010, 03:32 PM
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Isn't the entire Lux family catholic?
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Old 08-05-2010, 03:42 PM
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So Alexandra who by the way is only 19 this year, which puts a 7 year age gap, would have to convert to marry Harry is he wanted to stay in line for the Throne. If he didn't and something happened to William we would have Fergie as Queen Mum.
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Even if that happened Fergie wouldn't be Queen Mum. As she wouldn't be a Queen in her own right (unless Andrew became King and remarried her) she would simply be the 'mother of the Queen' - a different thing (Victoria's mother The Duchess of Kent was never 'Queen Mum' as she never had the title Queen).
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