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Old 08-08-2006, 01:25 PM
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i still think prince william & princess madeline of sweden would be super duper cool
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Old 08-08-2006, 01:53 PM
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Interesting post Odrade. I already knew all of it myself. As you explain though, the emergence of the hemophilia in Queen Victoria's son Leopold and as carriers in several of her daughters has nothing to do with QV marrying her first cousin Albert. It just started with Queen Victoria herself, since Albert was not a carrier at all.
Indeed. However, the subsequent marriages of close relations meant that the haemophilia was passed down several royal lineages, including two or three ruling ones, which is a problem in a situation where inheritance of the throne by males is so important.


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So even if William were to marry a first cousin on his mother or father's side, probably there would be no bad outcome for the children. But of course he won't do this, as it would be frowned upon in general.
There probably wouldn't, but the fact that the Queen and Prince Philip are already related in two or three different ways means that it wouldn't be quite the same as first cousins marrying when their grandparents were all unrelated biologically.

Of course, he could always go and marry one of the Japanese or other Asian princesses, or maybe find himself an African princess since he seems so fond of Africa.
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Old 08-08-2006, 01:59 PM
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Of course, he could always go and marry one of the Japanese or other Asian princesses, or maybe find himself an African princess since he seems so fond of Africa.
I don't think this would ever happen. The British public might not accept it. And if their culture and religion are completely different to the rest of the British Royal Family it could pose a lot of problems, with them not fitting in and doing the established rituals and traditions that need doing. To be honest, I'd rather he marry Kate Middleton than an Asian or African princess. At least she is British and familiar with the culture of the family she would be marrying in to.
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Old 08-08-2006, 08:41 PM
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I don't think that'd happen either but, it'd be great it if it did :)
A princess (whether from Europe, Africa, Asia, ect.) would be more acquainted with a royal life, where as Kate Middleton is not. Not that Kate couldn't get used to it though, but it'd be a big transition, for anyone who wasn't brought up in that sort of lifestyle.

Though obviously someone has seen Kate to be a princess already. A book on her and William will be released in September:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/184...20117?n=283155

I know of three Asian Princess's around William's age:
Princess Tsuguko of Takamado (Japan born in 1986)
Ploypailin Mahidol Jensen (princess from Thailand born in 1981)

and
Sirikitiya Jensen
(another Princess from Thailand who was born in 1985) attends college in NY
http://www.thainewyork.com/albums/si..._jensen_05.jpg
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Old 08-09-2006, 03:33 AM
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I know very little about the Asian and African royal families so I don't know who would be suitable, if anyone. But I think they would have to at least be a Christian, or else it would be too difficult, etc.

That book about Kate Middleton is so stupid. She is not William's Princess, she is just Kate Middleton. And how on earth can this romance change the monarchy if nothing comes of it? It is not a romance that WILL change the monarchy, because they might not get married or even last much longer. What a silly book.
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Old 08-09-2006, 05:51 AM
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its sad the way people hype up the wills-kate relationship to make money.

If i come across a copy of the book at some point i might buy it just for fun. i think it will be a collectors item in a few decades when william has been married to someone else for a long time.

i have a 'willem-alexander and emily bremers' key chain. i still smile every time i look at it.
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Old 08-09-2006, 10:58 AM
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The ONLY consideration should be that they love one another and believe they are compatible. There will always be people who consider someones chosen spouse as unsuitable but, if he loves her and she loves him, that should be all that matters in the end.
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Old 08-09-2006, 04:45 PM
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The Jensen princess is not really that bad looking. lol I agree the book is silly. I mean come on, if they were engaged, that would be a different story, but they are just dating.
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Old 08-09-2006, 05:10 PM
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So you can see, there is a certain amount of "inbreeding" in the royal families that end up resulting in several royal families across Europe having members with the same rare genetic condition. However like many genetic mutations it was a self-correcting issue since most affected members died too young to pass on their genes, or it was simply filtered out in future generations by outmarriages to people who did not have the gene.

Don't forget porphyria, which is a genetic disease which affected the Stuarts from even before Mary, queen of Scots.

Here's an article about it from: http://www.lib.virginia.edu/small/ex...porphyria.html

George III suffered from the royal hereditary disease porphyria which had tormented Mary Queen of Scots, who passed it on to her son, King James I of England. It is caused by a chemical insufficiency in the production of hemoglobin. Its symptoms are photosensitivity, strong abdominal pain, port wine-colored urine and paralysis in the arms and legs. The interruption of nerve impulses to the brain causes the development of psychiatric symptoms. Finally, epileptic convulsions occur and the patient sinks into a coma.
George III had a particularly severe form of porphyria. His first attack occurred in 1765, four years after his marriage to Queen Charlotte. Further signs of the disease showed up in 1788-1789. From 1811 to the time of his death in 1820 the royal patient became progressively insane and blind. He was nursed in isolation, and kept in straight jackets and behind bars in his private apartments at Windsor Castle.
Other members of the far-flung royal family who suffered from this hereditary disease were Queen Anne of Great Britain; Frederic the Great of Germany; George IV of Great Britain--son of George III; and George IV's daughter, Princess Charlotte, who died of the disease at childbirth.

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As both porphyria and haemophilia are treatable today, the public might never even be aware that these illnesses still exist within the families concerned.
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Old 08-09-2006, 05:57 PM
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I don't think hemophilia is really a cause for concern for William choosing a bride. It appears in several families-not only royals-usually by a genetic mutation which is then carried by a few generations but then mysteriously dies out again. Its not in any of the current royal families and its quite rare in nonroyal families also.

Scientists have also determined that marrying first cousins even if repeated with several generations does not carry any significant genetic risk over non-related marriages. Several family histories were studied, one of the most famous being Wedgewoods (as in Wedgewood china) and Darwins (as in Charles Darwin) who consistently married first cousins down several generations. King Harald of Norway and his sisters are a product of two generations of first cousin marriages and apart from the King's cancer which he says was brought on by smoking, they have normal health and are all in their 70s and 80s.

The one royal family where inbreeding caused serious genetic deficiencies married uncles and nieces. Modern scientists have confirmed that marrying within this level of relativity does carry significant risk but they don't know why it carries so much more risk that first cousin marriages.

The family that married uncles and nieces was the Hapsburgs. The most famous example was the marriage of Felipe IV of Spain and his niece Mariana of Austria. Their son Carlos II was malformed, sterile, and mentally backwards.

I don't think this is a concern for William choosing a wife because he's not that closely related to any of the current royal women. King Constantine and Queen Anne-Marie live in London and Constantine is William's godfather and a close friend of Prince Charles so theoretically they could develop a friendship that could turn more serious but with Kate in the picture it doesn't look likely.

But to my mind, the biggest advantage a princess has is that despite the differences among the monarchies, she knows a bit more of what the job entails and Theodora doesn't have that. Her father was deposed so long ago she was never a princess of a ruling monarchy. In some ways, I think she may have no more idea about what it takes than any of us.
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Joy, Charlotte Casiraghi and the German and Italian Princesses are Roman Catholic.
If William were to marry one of them he would immediately disqualify himself from the Line of Succession.
Isn't this just pure religious bigotry on the part of the royal family and the constitution of Great Britain? I mean the Commonwealth which includes Canada and Australia have millions of Roman Catholics. How does the BRF represent them when they single them out and discriminate against them with impunity? I really don't think Princess Caroline would ever hand her daughter Charlotte over to that family but still. This seems wrong no matter what happened 300 years ago. They could always just agree to raise the children in the Anglican Church. Why does this law still stand in the year 2006?
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Old 08-10-2006, 03:48 AM
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I really don't think Princess Caroline would ever hand her daughter Charlotte over to that family
IMO the Monagasque family are too steeped in scandal to even be considered, Catholic or not. Charlotte is quite obviously spoilt and she dresses abominably. In no way does she have the class exhibited by her mother & grandmother!!
I much prefer to see Wills with a nice, modest English girl like Kate.
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Old 08-10-2006, 08:15 AM
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Isn't this just pure religious bigotry on the part of the royal family and the constitution of Great Britain?
Without getting too far off topic the loss of the right of succession to the Throne is governed by the Act of Settlement, not by the Royal Family. The Act is an Act of Parliamant and can only be changed by the Parliamant, ie the politicians.
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Old 08-10-2006, 10:05 AM
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and George IV's daughter, Princess Charlotte, who died of the disease at childbirth.
I've never heard of that before. I think Charlotte just died of complications in childbirth and the son she was giving birth to died as well. I don't think it had anything to do with Porphyria. And what proof is there that Charlotte had porphyria at all? It's easy just to claim that people had it, but some proof or evidence should be given.
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Old 08-10-2006, 10:10 AM
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But to my mind, the biggest advantage a princess has is that despite the differences among the monarchies, she knows a bit more of what the job entails and Theodora doesn't have that. Her father was deposed so long ago she was never a princess of a ruling monarchy. In some ways, I think she may have no more idea about what it takes than any of us.
Theodora has been closely associating with royalty her whole life. Not only with the British and Greek royals, but with her cousins, aunts and uncles in the Danish and Spanish Royal Families. I'm sure she would have a MUCH better idea of what the job entails and what it takes. And Kate could exit the picture any time soon. Leaving the way clear for Theodora to make her grand entrace as William's ideal wife, Princess and Queen.
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Old 08-10-2006, 10:12 AM
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IMO the Monagasque family are too steeped in scandal to even be considered, Catholic or not. Charlotte is quite obviously spoilt and she dresses abominably. In no way does she have the class exhibited by her mother & grandmother!!
I much prefer to see Wills with a nice, modest English girl like Kate.
Charlotte of Monaco dresses a lot better than Chelsy Davy. Kate's dress sense is nothing great IMO, but generally not terrible.
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Old 08-10-2006, 10:13 AM
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Felicia I always look forward to reading your many posts on Theodora possibly becoming Williams wife. You really are determined to marry them off arn't you lol
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Old 08-10-2006, 10:16 AM
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Yeah I am. I want the monarchy to be as prestigious and royal as it once was. It's time for another Princess to enter the family, and Theodora is the most suitable one. But I'd be happy with Madeleine and many others as well.
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Without getting too far off topic the loss of the right of succession to the Throne is governed by the Act of Settlement, not by the Royal Family. The Act is an Act of Parliamant and can only be changed by the Parliamant, ie the politicians.
I understand about the Act of Settlement in 1701 and about the Parliament but why does this law still stand? Hasn't it occurred to someone that it's just plain wrong to have religious bigotry enshrined in a democratic constitution?
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Old 08-10-2006, 10:30 AM
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Yeah I am. I want the monarchy to be as prestigious and royal as it once was. It's time for another Princess to enter the family, and Theodora is the most suitable one. But I'd be happy with Madeleine and many others as well.
Felicia

Even though it's really all hypothetical right now, if William actually did marry Kate, would it be a total disaster?

In looking at media photos of her, she seems to have a nice dress sense.
She's had more wardrobe hits than misses, (a few misses, Pink Jacket and Flowered Dress combo for starters)
No scandals attached to her name.
She attended the very prestigious ( and expensive !) Marlborough College boarding school, so she received a very acceptable education, and she seems to be very supportive of Prince William, which I think would be extremely important.
She's also very pretty.
Other than not being of noble birth, what is so terrible about Kate?
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