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Old 08-09-2005, 10:11 AM
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There's no appreciable risk in marrying your first cousin scientists have determined; although I think William would be ridiculed if he did.

I think the British monarchs had a 'superior' attitude towards other monarchies in the past. They referred to them as bicycle monarchs and looked down on their informal lifestyles. But now that Tony Blair and Prince Philip are on a crusade to downsize the British monarchy, it looks like the British are copying the continent.

Its an odd situation when the down-to-earth approachable Margrethe of Denmark still has her yacht the Dannebrog whereas the Queen of all Queens, Elizabeth of England had to retire hers.
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Well, as a rule there isn't a great risk in marrying a first cousin, but the royal family tends to be rather inbred so first cousins are closer genetically than in a lot of other families. These days it's less of an issue since the previous generation married outsiders, but in the past it's no wonder they all looked alike. The European royal families must be a great resource for people who want to study the effects of recessive genes, although I suppose you can't just march up to Princess This and the Duke of That and demand blood samples.
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Old 08-09-2005, 12:14 PM
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I think there isn`t any blood conection between Wills and Char. Only Char`s stepfather, ernest August von hannnover is cousin (or something like that) of the Queen, but i`ve heard that the Queen doesn`t like EA at all!!!
Prince Rainier and QEII were distant relatives, so William and Charlotte are related, just even more distantly. (And if this match were to happen, most importantly each of them has a parent who wasn't "royal".)
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I don't think William will marry a "royal" I actually think he and Kate are quite serious and she could be a future bride! I hope so as she seems really nice and more importantly discreet. On top of that it wouldn't do any harm for the inbreeding that exists within the royal families of Europe to miss out a couple of generations!!
Just a note, it is in fact illegal to marry your first cousin in England but not in Scotland!
Well, in reality, there are very few royals William could choose to marry since most of the reigning houses are Catholic. I would think he would choose a member of the aristocracy or peerage, like his father did.

As the future heir to the throne, William has a duty to marry appropriately and he will not be allowed by the Establishment to do otherwise. While Kate seems very good for him, I think they have a long way to go before marriage, which would require the consent of the Queen, as advised by the Prime Minister. She is most certainly not of sufficient standing to marry a future king and bear royal heirs.
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Old 08-09-2005, 02:27 PM
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most of the royal women are his relatives anyway.
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I think it would be awkward if he married a royal.
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Old 08-10-2005, 01:42 AM
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William is not going to marry a Royal. I think he wants a down to earth type of girl. Being Royal makes it very hard to be down to earth!
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William is not going to marry a Royal. I think he wants a down to earth type of girl. Being Royal makes it very hard to be down to earth!
That seems to be a strange contradiction of terms, isn't it? William is royal, so I don't understand what you mean. No matter how "down-to-earth" he may be, it doesn't change the fact he is a future Sovereign whose entire life will be dictated by the burden of duty.

Doesn't that require an appropriate marriage to someone who understands the incredible pressure and duty that will come with being his wife? I think so.
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I'm not sure he uneven knows what "down-to-earth" means. Come on, the man will never, ever, understand how a homeless person struggles day to day to survive. He may read about surveys and go to shelters and talk to the poor, but if he has ever gone hungry in his life, most likely is by choice or omission, not because he didn't have the money to pay for food. He'll probably complain, like his parents, the burden of going to another movie premiere or opening another hospice. But he will never experience in life of taking on a low paying job, with awful working condition, in order to take care of his family.
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I'm not sure he uneven knows what "down-to-earth" means. Come on, the man will never, ever, understand how a homeless person struggles day to day to survive. He may read about surveys and go to shelters and talk to the poor, but if he has ever gone hungry in his life, most likely is by choice or omission, not because he didn't have the money to pay for food. He'll probably complain, like his parents, the burden of going to another movie premiere or opening another hospice. But he will never experience in life of taking on a low paying job, with awful working condition, in order to take care of his family.
That is all well and true Incas and that may be why William wants a wife who does not come from Royal Stock. Most men want to marry someone from the same type of stock their Mum came from. Diana, while aristocratic and rich, did have everyday life experiences such as holding a job, having her own flat with roommates, scrubbing toilets (albeit William did scrub toilets in Chile). William may want a wife who will keep him more in touch with everyday people as his mother tried to do to the best of her ability. It was Diana who told William that "not everyone has a country home and a Range Rover"
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Diana, while aristocratic and rich, did have everyday life experiences such as holding a job, having her own flat with roommates, scrubbing toilets (albeit William did scrub toilets in Chile)...
Even with his mother, it's the same situation. She bought her flat from her inheritance and worked a couple days a week at a kindergarden. I wouldn't call that real life. She worked because she was bored and the job hours didn't interfere with her social life. I just see all the talk about "down-to-earth" stuff is more lip service.
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Well, I wouldn't sell William or Harry short yet. It is clear from their public appearances and private charity work that they understand (certainly better than their father ever did) the real world, have humility and are willing to dig-in and do some real work helping others.

Diana always stated to journalists that her goal with William and Harry is they be in touch with the real world, be able to relate with all kinds of people and not be sitting around in a Palace. Even though Diana was from one of the richest, most aristocratic backgrounds in the UK, she did have the common touch and a gift for communication. I believe she did understand common problems and wanted to genuinely help out and learn.
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Even with his mother, it's the same situation. She bought her flat from her inheritance and worked a couple days a week at a kindergarden. I wouldn't call that real life. She worked because she was bored and the job hours didn't interfere with her social life. I just see all the talk about "down-to-earth" stuff is more lip service.

Has William or Harry ever had a moment where they are not being searched for and just another face in the crowd?? Do these boys know what it is truly like to be a common, ordinary person that can go where they wish whenever they wish to?? Diana did. Diana knew what it was like to be just an everyday person walking down the streets going into stores and eating is restaurants without fear of being recognized and having their appearance splashed all over the tabloids. While Diana understood the role the media plays in the survival of the Royal Family, she wasn't about to let it constantly hover over her boys. That is why she tried to balance their exposure in the media. Those boys deserved and still deserve a measure of privacy. Let them have what their father never had--A healthier, better outlook at the world rather than treading water in that dang golden fishbowl!!

I remember the anecdote about the Queen and Princess Margaret when Germany surrendered in WWII. They were allowed with some service men to go out among the people and be anonymous in the crowds. They knocked helmets off of soldiers' heads, danced in the streets, and went up to the gates of Buckingham Palace shouting for the King and Queen to come back out onto the balcony. It is often said that this is one of Her Majesty's favorite moments from her life--being an average woman celebrating and acting like an ordinary person.
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I think he might marry a member of minor ex-royalty. Perhaps a German, Greek, or Italian princess might do. Although a cousin might be too awkward (that would probably exclude a German since the Windsors are basically cousins of all those Saxe-Whatzahoozit families).
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I think he might marry a member of minor ex-royalty. Perhaps a German, Greek, or Italian princess might do. Although a cousin might be too awkward (that would probably exclude a German since the Windsors are basically cousins of all those Saxe-Whatzahoozit families).
Well, William couldn't marry an Italian (or a Spanish) princess since she would be Catholic. There hasn't been a marriage between a son or grandson of the Sovereign and a foreign royal since HRH the Prince George, the Duke of Kent married HRH Princess Marina of Greece in 1934.

Since then, the traditional ties between the House of Windsor and the various non-reigning German ducal and princely families has greatly diminished, so William really doesn't know anyone other than British, Scottish or American eligible ladies.
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Old 08-14-2005, 12:25 PM
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There are a lot of royal women who are down to earth. Marthe-Louise of Norway in particular seems very approachable. The problem with down-to-earth royal women is that they usually don't want to marry another royal.
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WHne charles was young as william, were there any reports with any of his girlfriends (besides DIana) that said a wedding was eminate or that she would definitely be the next Princess of Wales?
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WHne charles was young as william, were there any reports with any of his girlfriends (besides DIana) that said a wedding was eminate or that she would definitely be the next Princess of Wales?
I believe Lady Jane Wellsley was touted as a future Princess of Wales. They even had him engaged to Princess Astrid when he hadn't even met her before in his life!
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Has William or Harry ever had a moment where they are not being searched for and just another face in the crowd?? Do these boys know what it is truly like to be a common, ordinary person that can go where they wish whenever they wish to?? Diana did. Diana knew what it was like to be just an everyday person walking down the streets going into stores and eating is restaurants without fear of being recognized and having their appearance splashed all over the tabloids. While Diana understood the role the media plays in the survival of the Royal Family, she wasn't about to let it constantly hover over her boys. ...
I think we are talking about different aspects of "down to earth". I was referring to the reality of living ordinary life, ie, with a lot less income than the Spencers or Windsors are accustomed to. Her clothing budget was larger that a lot of people's annual income. I was not talking about going to stores and eating out in restaurants without being disturbed. It just seemed to me that while she was POW, Diana enjoyed all the rank and priviledges associated with someone of her financial situation and social rank. The part about being recognized wasn't always something she disliked. Yes, there were times she wasn't happy with being photographed while out and about with friends. But I also remember reading antedotes about Diana going to the cash machine or feed parking meter. She got a secret thrill at people doing double-takes, the is-she-isn't-she-looks. Yes, she had an earlier life without press around. But going about unrecognized only one aspect of ordinary life, and not a major part either.

I don't think William and Harry haven't experienced not being recognized by people around them. They have both went to fairly remote placed in the world during their gap years, William in Chile and Harry in Lesoto. They were able to help the charities in those regions working on benefiting people who had never heard of them. Still, for all their clamour for incognito, they both invited the press on these expeditions. While there were benefits to highlighting the causes they were supporting at the time, I can't help but wonder if they truly wished for being unrecognized. There have been thousands of volunteers doing the same work they did. There wasn't a cameraman following anyone of the volunteers about before W & H, or after.
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well incas if william will never understand what its like to be homeless, neither will a lot of people on this board

To me, down to earth means being comfortable in your own skin no matter who you're with. Diana wasn't someone I'd say was down-to-earth. She had an amazing ability to connect with certain people - others like her who were very emotionally expressive. But she couldn't make the connection with other types of people - in general people who did not need a lot of affirmation - they made her uneasy.
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