Harry's Night in Vegas: August 2012


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You simply cannot say that based on just a couple of incidents spread over a couple of years. If there regularly came out pictures like that, it would be a matter to be concerned about, but there don't. Saying that he's an alcoholic is a fairly harsh judgement if you don't know the man in real life and don't know his daily actions, he's on vacation for christ's sake, let him have his fun (maybe he just wanna check if there's someone with a camera next time).

I really think it's absolutely hysterical how big a deal people are making out of this.

I completely agree. Like a great many people, I'm sure Harry enjoys a drink, but these pictures were taken on vacation in Las Vegas - what happens shouldn't there be taken as an indication of how one spends the rest of his time!
 
Private trip, private matter. He's doing what rich young men do : big deal !
Some people are so stuck up and more royalist than the Queen. Give him a break, he's not a bad lad...
 
Harry's drinking to excess while on nights out is not a sign of 'submerged pain and trauma', it is entirely normal behaviour for a 27 year old in the UK.

I'm also 27, and I can tell you that the VAST majority of people our age binge drink fairly regularly. It makes me incredibly sad because I'm teetotal personally, but in the UK among those of the younger generations having a good time is synonymous with getting drunk. That is simply the way things are in this country now.

A guy I used to work with who was around my age used to say that if he could remember anything that happened the night before, it obviously hadn't been a good night. Go into the centre of any town or city in the UK on a Saturday night and you'll see legions of people, probably 35 and under, lying on the street or the pavement totally out of their heads.

You'll struggle to find a man in the UK who hasn't been on a few 'messy' stag nights or weekends. These seem to get increasingly worse and lots of stag weekends are now taken in Amsterdam, Prague or Budapest where the drink is cheap and certain laws regarding drugs and prostitutes are somewhat different from the UK.

Harry made some really stupid decisions, but from what I could see, what he was doing was no worse than what millions of young people in the UK get up to on a weekly basis, unfortunately.

With all due respect I am not talking about this one incident. I am talking about a whole range and pattern of behaviors in the last 15 years a..few of them involving booze.

And no I don't think the Vegas escapade is particularly disturbing at all. It IS Vegas.

But once again...it has crossed my mind that there is more to it than simply a rather wild young man who likes to have a good time, that is all.
 
Private trip, private matter. He's doing what rich young men do : big deal !
Some people are so stuck up and more royalist than the Queen. Give him a break, he's not a bad lad...
Except this young man happens to be a representative of an entire country.

I'm not a stuck up but I do believe Harry displayed poor judgement. Not only because of his actual actions (which are, unfortunately, quite typical of a 27-year-old nowadays), but because he was naive to believe that virtual strangers could be trusted not to share intimate details and/or pictures with the press.
 
Private trip, private matter

Absoulutelly true, until you stand there and let someone take a picture of you in the nude hiding your privates, then it isn't private. Again, wth was he thinking. Nevermind he wasn't thinking.
 
Well he was not exactly exposing himself and his willy to the entire world. The photos were secretly taken after all.
I agree there's a flagrant problem with the prince's entourage but he's a victim in this story and this betrayal must be hard to swallow.
That's not a scandal, that's not criminal ( yes for the record strip billard is legit), that's not the most clever thing to do but Harry was not a official representative of the Crown at this time, he was on holiday and enjoying himself.

Now if you can find a photo of him sniffing coke on the back of Jlo i'll be shocked. For now i find these pics quite funny and, yes, not really subtle but above all i'm sad for him because after all he's done this year, especially during the olympics, he doesn't deserve such judgment.
 
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Much ado about very little. Next week there will be another "scandal" involving someone else for people to moralize over.
 
It probably will blow over in a few weeks, until the next stupid thing he does. SMH, Harry really needs to get that straw outta his head and acquire a brain.
 
Harry's drinking to excess while on nights out is not a sign of 'submerged pain and trauma', it is entirely normal behaviour for a 27 year old in the UK.

I'm also 27, and I can tell you that the VAST majority of people our age binge drink fairly regularly. It makes me incredibly sad because I'm teetotal personally, but in the UK among those of the younger generations having a good time is synonymous with getting drunk. That is simply the way things are in this country now.

A guy I used to work with who was around my age used to say that if he could remember anything that happened the night before, it obviously hadn't been a good night. Go into the centre of any town or city in the UK on a Saturday night and you'll see legions of people, probably 35 and under, lying on the street or the pavement totally out of their heads.

Harry made some really stupid decisions, but from what I could see, what he was doing was no worse than what millions of young people in the UK get up to on a weekly basis, unfortunately.

Wow....just wow. I only bolded part of you wrote, but that was enlightening--and not in a good way.

I wouldn't consider that the norm in the U.S.
 
Much ado about very little. Next week there will be another "scandal" involving someone else for people to moralize over.
He's ''lucky'' in a way that the photos came out the same time the two most horrible Canadian musicians announced their engagement. Takes the heat away.
I wish I was a fly on the wall at Buckingham Palace. That'd be golden.
 
Wow....just wow. I only bolded part of you wrote, but that was enlightening--and not in a good way.

I wouldn't consider that the norm in the U.S.
People get drunk off of their faces in every first world country. Not just the UK.
The US has different, more strict laws concerning alcohol but the youth is the same.
 
We have married Kings who cavort more or less openly with mistresses(Juan Carlos and Carl-Gustaf), Princes who date porn stars and engage in bar brawls(Carl-Philip and Pierre Casiraghi)

I included Pierre because he was raised and educated like a Prince and lives like a Prince. He is Royal in everything but name.

Thanks Lumutqueen for stating the obvious.

I wasn't actually referring to the royal world with that statement, and i'm quite confused as to whether you're being sarcastic or not.

Carl Philip is not dating a porn star, and he was punched in an unprovoked attack whilst defending his girlfriend. If Sofia and Silvia have no issues standing by their husbands, why should we?
 
People get drunk off of their faces in every first world country. Not just the UK.
The US has different, more strict laws concerning alcohol but the youth is the same.

I am well-aware that people get drunk everywhere. There's a difference between doing that occassionally and binge drinking/blackout drinking on a regular basis.

I do not consider that kind of drinking to be normal behavior in the U.S. for people in their late 20s. So, we can agree to disagree there. Drinking yes- blackout/binge, no. (Some people do it, but I wouldn't call it "normal".) That's more prevelant with college age youth. IMO.
 
The idea of a 28 yr old, healthy, heterosexual man on holiday in a resort community doing some partying, drinking and getting naked with a woman is hardly unique or shocking, in fact I would suggest it is pretty usual holiday behaviour. It is certainly behaviour that I have seen in Vegas, and resorts in the Caribbean and the Med. It is not even behaviour restricted to young men. 40% of British women under 30 admit to one night stands while on holidays, although from my experience it is certainly not limited to UK women.
 
The only question I have is....I thought they had protection? They had guards that were present all the time, so why weren't cell phones taken upon entering the room? Obviously we all know by now that it was probably one of the girls he invited up who snapped the photos, so why were they able to carry their recording cell phones in the rooms? Wouldn't that be considered a security breach for crap like this?

I have been thinking the same thing. Some of this doesn't make sense either. (I have such a suspicious mind! Ha!) I had a conversation with someone about this - precisely because of this one odd factoid - that Harry was covering his privates with the full-frontal shot. If this were as 'random' as is being made out, why would he have been doing that? Finally my friend said it out loud - he thinks they were 'posed' in the sense that he knew he was being photographed - especially the one where so many think he is 'having sex'. (He's not imo - and my friend's). Both looked posed in the sense that he knows the camera is there. Where he thought the 'photos' would wind up - and whether the 'photographer' was the one who did the the 'leaking' of them to the press - becomes the question.

P.S. The 'word on the street' is that both William and Harry drink to excess. Harry is the one who is 'nicer' when drunk - so I am told.


Color me decadent, but I don't think he has anything to be ashamed of. He has done nothing wrong - and his royal relatives well understand the experience of having their private, intimate moments made public. Certainly his father will understand.
 
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I have been thinking the same thing. Some of this doesn't make sense either. (I have such a suspicious mind! Ha!) I had a conversation with someone about this - precisely because of this one odd factoid - that Harry was covering his privates with the full-frontal shot. If this were as 'random' as is being made out, why would he have been doing that? Finally my friend said it out loud - he thinks they were 'posed' in the sense that he knew he was being photographed - especially the one where so many think he is 'having sex'. (He's not imo - and my friend's). Both looked posed in the sense that he knows the camera is there. Where he thought the 'photos' would wind up - and whether the 'photographer' was the one who did the the 'leaking' of them to the press - becomes the question.

Which is why I keep saying he need to find his brain lol. I agree it's not sex, he is just playing around. If this was taken secretly, then I'll give him half a pass, but again like you said why cover your privates, if it was taken secretly. I think he know the pics were being taken. Again, brain, find it and stuff it back in.l
 
"P.S. The 'word on the street' is that both William and Harry drink to excess. Harry is the one who is 'nicer' when drunk - so I am told. "

And what street would that be? One in England? One on which William and Harry have actually walked?
 
I am well-aware that people get drunk everywhere. There's a difference between doing that occassionally and binge drinking/blackout drinking on a regular basis.

I do not consider that kind of drinking to be normal behavior in the U.S. for people in their late 20s. So, we can agree to disagree there. Drinking yes- blackout/binge, no. (Some people do it, but I wouldn't call it "normal".) That's more prevelant with college age youth. IMO.

I understand the distinction you are making, and I agree with it.
 
Well, I can't argue with a single word you have posted, you make a lot of sense to be honest.

I loathe armchair psychology and generally try to avoid it. But I have always suspected that Harry deals with the submerged pain and trauma of the loss of his mother by drinking and acting out at times.

In the weeks and months that followed Diana's funeral I remember hearing or reading that the then 12-13 year old Harry was seen crying in class, and there was some discussion of pulling him out for the remainder of the term.

The idea was broached with the Prince of Wales, but the decision was made that Harry would stay at school and complete his term.

I felt then and I still feel that Charles did an amazing job as a single parent under the most horrible circumstances...but perhaps something in his younger son's emotional/psychological development went by him unaddressed? :sad:

This is a very interesting scenario, and the one I've thought about as well when discussing the way people handle grief; some use the pain to do good deeds, help those in a similar situations, while others just drown it out, not wanting to feel it more than necessary. Perhaps Harry is the type that is prone to the latter rather than the former. Just my thoughts of course.

Wow....just wow. I only bolded part of you wrote, but that was enlightening--and not in a good way.

I wouldn't consider that the norm in the U.S.

I've known several people in their 20s and 30s here in the States that tend to believe getting extremely drunk is the only way to have a good time. It's not just a UK thing, I'm sure. Many men won't date women that don't partake in drinking, and are not ashamed to admit it. It's very sad. There are other ways to enjoy oneself, and it certainly doesn't involve alcohol or other illegal substances.
 
"P.S. The 'word on the street' is that both William and Harry drink to excess. Harry is the one who is 'nicer' when drunk - so I am told. "

And what street would that be? One in England? One on which William and Harry have actually walked?

One in England. Definitely have walked it. (This shouldn't be a surprise).
 
Well he was not exactly exposing himself and his willy to the entire world. The photos were secretly taken after all.
I agree there's a flagrant problem with the prince's entourage but he's a victim in this story and this betrayal must be hard to swallow.
That's not a scandal, that's not criminal ( yes for the record strip billard is legit), that's not the most clever thing to do but Harry was not a official representative of the Crown at this time, he was on holiday and enjoying himself.
Speaking of illegal, is it actually legal in the United States to take pictures of a person in his hotel room and sell them? I know it's not here.
 
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Erin9 said:
I wouldn't consider that the norm in the U.S.
Unfortunately, I would say this is also the norm in the US.

I don't think Harry is a bad person, but he does need to show better judgment for a person in his position. It may not be fair, but it's the life he was born to.
 
P.S. The 'word on the street' is that both William and Harry drink to excess. Harry is the one who is 'nicer' when drunk - so I am told.

Where (and how) exactly did you get this information? I have very strong doubts that anyone close enough to the Princes would divulge this type of details.
 
There have been suggestions that TMZ did in fact violate the law by publishing the pictures. A hotel room is one of those places where you have an expectation of privacy.
 
Speaking of illegal, is it actually legal in the United States to take pictures of a person in his hotel room and sell them? I know it's not here.

I can't think of any law that would make it illegal.
 
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