Harry's Night in Vegas: August 2012

[Elenath]

I was thinking. Might this be his last hurrah before he goes off to Afghanistan? Could it be sooner than we think?

 

[tihkon2]

Is he not having sex in one of them??

Um...No. Not at all.


Anyhow....seems some people haven't seen the photos, because they're talking like they're worse than they are.

There are 2 photos. That's all.

In the first one, his hands are covering his "jewels" so no one can see them.

In the second, we see him from head to toe from the back side, hugging a woman. Again, no "jewels" to be seen. Just his butt.

Not a smart way to be photographed, but I've seen more revealing photos of Tsar Nicholas II to be honest. And those were taken in 1914 or so!

 

[Sonjapearl]

It seems like some people are more upset that Harry got naked in public than him displaying poor judgment. I didn't realize nudity was so heinous :shrug:

 

[Kataryn]

I covered up my table (and piano) legs after seeing this on TV this morning. I don't like to call anyone "stupid," but this is astoundingly bad behavior. Even though it is a VIP room, it's still located in a public place. He is one silly prince.

Kitty, he was in his own suite at the hotel - hardly a "public place". He had guests there and they celebrated and one guest betrayed his trust. If this is "public" space, then his bedroom at Clarence House is that as well - absurd.

 

[NGalitzine]

I think some parts of the world have a stronger puritanical streak thsn others which is reflected in several posts.

 

[NGalitzine]

I mean I know I am reserved and a good girl but I feel like I just can't believe when I logged on here how many people are cool with his behavior. I am just blown away by how different my opinion is versus everyone else's.

Could you explain what you mean by a "good girl".

 

[Zonk]

I find myself in the middle of this "issue."

Nudity while offensive to some is not a crime. He is not having sex or doing drugs. He is naked. Now I do agree it wasn't the smartest thing to do especially considering who he is. Harry appears to have a good set of true friends who always have his back, so this appears a newcomer (who won't be back in the trusted circle) who was introduced to him and sold him out for a buck!

But I don't think its a smart idea for anyone to appear naked in public....with the technology we have and the money being thrown around for pictures like this...you never know what could end up in the public arena. Lest not forget that days before her marriage, a picture of a topless Sophie (thats the Countess of Wessex not to be confused with another Sophie) appeared. She, in a moment of fun for what she thought was a harmless picture), showed some of her assets before she even met Edward let alone married him. Now I am not condemning Sophie, I just brought this up to show that sometimes good people do stupid things.

Now I feel a tiny bit sorry for Harry and only a tiny bit because he is a grown man and should have known better. But as evidenced by the comments of his Nazi uniform that happened YEARS AGO...any past and future good that he ever does is going to be downplayed or dismissed because of two naked pictures.

This is the world we live in guys...don't do things today that might cause you trouble in the future.

 

[zembla]

He can have fun and be naked all he wants, he's an adult...I think the bigger issue is that for all the years he's been famous, he still didn't have the intelligence to have his guards confiscate cell-phones before the fun began. Those will pics will last forever.

 

[NGalitzine]

Zonk, I think you meant " before she even met Edward" not Harry.

 

[Zonk]

Yes, thanks I did catch that when editing my post.

 

[NGalitzine]

He can have fun and be naked all he wants, he's an adult...I think the bigger issue is that for all the years he's been famous, he still didn't have the intelligence to have his guards confiscate cell-phones before the fun began. Those will pics will last forever.

True, and when he is 80 he can look back and laugh and say I had a damn good time when I was young and a pretty good body too.

 

[Kataryn]

Are you upset that he got naked in public or that he displayed poor judgment?

I don't understand how public nudity equals the end of civilization.

He was not nude in "public" - he was in his own suite which he rented at the hotel and somebody took pics and sold them to the "public". And yes, it some sort of "end of civilisation" when people take oics in secret, sell them to the media, the media goes all blown upo about them and their readers follow suit. It is not for us to discuss what Harry does behind closed doors. And it is bad behaviour to take secretly taken pics from that situation and make them public. I just wish all well behaved members here would simply ignore this look into Harry's private life as this is a part of him noone needs to know about (except maybe his future bride, but as there is none yet, it's nobody). I personally doubt the queen is interested in these pics and Charles and Camilla surely just have a laugh.

 

[Kataryn]

Could you explain what you mean by a "good girl".

When I was a child in the sixties, a good girl was soo modest she only shared her clothes in a dark bedroom under the sheets... So a "good girl" was never ever seem as even having knees, for she was always covered up completely... Seems some old behaviours have survived till today. Astonishing.

 

[Kataryn]

This is the world we live in guys...don't do things today that might cause you trouble in the future.

Or if you do, find your own stance and don't read the papers.

 

[Zonk]

He can have fun and be naked all he wants, he's an adult...I think the bigger issue is that for all the years he's been famous, he still didn't have the intelligence to have his guards confiscate cell-phones before the fun began. Those will pics will last forever.

But can the security officers do things of that nature?

The only reason I ask, is that in the States, the Secret Service is tasked with protecting the President and Vice President as well as their families, and when one of the Bush daughters was caught (or it was reported I can't remember the specific facts) trying to purchase alcohol (while she was under the legal age of 21), someone asked why didn't the Secret service agent stop her.....and it was reported that they can't interfere with anything she does ...they are just there to protect her

Now I bring up this not to bash or disparage the Bush girls (who I think are lovely young women) but just to give an example of what the protection officers cannot do in the States. The same would have been applicable for Chelesa Clinton, Patti Regan or the Obama girls,etc.

Maybe the same apples for Harry's protection officers. There to protect Harry but not to judge and say, Perhaps, you should not do that sir. Or would like to on a pair of pants?! So the only thing they could have done was just watch the happenings...

Though to be honest, I think a lot of people (besides Harry) might have a tongue lashing regarding this.

 

[soapstar]

I'm not shocked or appalled by the nudity, but I do think Harry displayed a serious lack of judgment by getting naked in front of complete strangers.

I do wonder what the reaction would be if these pictures were of Beatrice or Eugenie though. Would people be okay with them getting naked and hugging up on random strangers, or would they get condemned for it?

 

[casualfan]

I personally doubt the queen is interested in these pics and Charles and Camilla surely just have a laugh.

Not a chance. He's a public figure and a representative of Britain, plain and simple. Naked pictures of him being splashed all over the Internet and morning news shows while everyone is sipping their coffee is embarrassing to say the least.

If he wants his behavior behind closed doors to stay private, he needs to learn how to manage those around him. It was true 100 years ago and it is true in the camera phone era.

 

[Archduchess Zelia]

I can't help but finding all this hysterical. Obviously this is a rather unfortunate situation for Harry to be put in, especially because he's a member of the BRF, but he's young and I am very certain that a lot of other young people have done the same thing, Harry's just unfortunate that he got "caught". People are overreacting galore. Buttgate 2012.

 

[casualfan]

But can the security officers do things of that nature?

Celebrities routinely have a member of their entourage confiscate mobiles of anyone who enters their room. It's insurance against this sort of thing happening.

 

[Zonk]

Or if you do, find your own stance and don't read the papers.

If not even that. With technology, things last FOREVER.

Somewhere in the world, in Germany, in the States, in England, etc. There is some young man or a young lady (around 20 or so) ...that is going to do something not so bright. Whether its taking a naked picture of yourself for the love of your life (or who you think is the love of your life but lets face it your 20 so you don't know), trying drugs for the first time (not that I am condoning that), or something else that isn't that smart.

Flash forward 20 or 30 years...you are now married to the love of your life (the real kind not that stuff you thought was love), and you are thinking of running for office. Guess what someone finds in a box of old pictures, or stored on a memory drive..you got it...that naked picture of you from 20 years ago. Or they remember you guys tried drugs for the first time in the dorms. Guess who now can make a quick couple of thousands of dollars...Guess what might haunt you.

Does that make sense?

I'm not shocked or appalled by the nudity, but I do think Harry displayed a serious lack of judgment by getting naked in front of complete strangers.

I do wonder what the reaction would be if these pictures were of Beatrice or Eugenie though. Would people be okay with them getting naked and hugging up on random strangers, or would they get condemned for it?

I think we all the know the answer to that. You only have to read some of the comments of Sarah showing up at the Olympics w/ Beatrice and Eugenie. You would think she punched some guy on the corner and stole his ticket to get in the venue.

There is definitely a double standard both here at TRF and the court of public opinion. For some, the sins of the child come from the parent.

But in this insistence, this is all Harry. And while some may forgive him, the rakers (the people who I believe rake up everything bad thing you ever done in life) will never let him forget it. He wore the Nazi uniform at age 17, and while I don't condone his actions....people are still talking about that...and that happened in 2005!

 

[zembla]

Celebrities routinely have a member of their entourage confiscate mobiles of anyone who enters their room. It's insurance against this sort of thing happening.

Yeah, or they could've told the girls: If you don't give it up, you're not getting in. And like I said in the other thread, Vegas is famewhore central...those girls would've been happy just to be in the room. Of course, they still would've sold their story, but they would not have had pics and it would be meaningless. Beyond that though, Harry or his friends could've easily required this action as well.

 

[Sonjapearl]

I'm not shocked or appalled by the nudity, but I do think Harry displayed a serious lack of judgment by getting naked in front of complete strangers.

I do wonder what the reaction would be if these pictures were of Beatrice or Eugenie though. Would people be okay with them getting naked and hugging up on random strangers, or would they get condemned for it?

I agree with your first statement.

As for Eugenie, didn't she get naked during a school party some years ago? I heard she ran around the school grounds with other nude classmates. Of course, she wasn't photographed, but I can imagine the shock some people had hearing that.

 

[Sonjapearl]

Interviewed on The World at One Alex van Straubenzee, whose son Thomas has known the prince since childhood, said that "more than anything he is a British soldier. He has a very, very good qualification in the job he does for the Army and I think this is what people will look at" and that what he called "tittle-tattle" will blow over.

BBC News - Prince Harry 'easy target' for press

 

[Kataryn]

Then back to my original thought: he wanted the media back away from any article that has him settle down. Maybe the Cressida-friendship is more than he wants to get out and organised this as a cover?

It comes to mind how William split with Catherine and that noone really knows (apart from some insiders) if they were really off or did it just to get Catherine out of the media pressure. But it did work for her.

 

[Zonk]

Celebrities routinely have a member of their entourage confiscate mobiles of anyone who enters their room. It's insurance against this sort of thing happening.

Yes but there is a difference between you being a private security guard for a celebrity ( who sometimes get sued by people when confiscate their phones) and a police officer who is being paid by the government.

 

[casualfan]

He was having fun, no doubt. Nothing wrong with a little fun. He need not adhere to prudish Victorian standards, he gets to set his own.

But he has to represent Britain. This isn't a normal guy, sorry. If he wants to misbehave, he should keep it behind closed doors, not on the cover of TMZ.

It's the same reason why some have problems with Diana, Andrew, Fergie, Carl Philip, etc etc etc.

 

[Empress Merel]

Dayum, this is such a good summer for scandals and gossip. Katie divorcing Tom, Kristen cheating on Robert, the Jackson family at eachother throats, Harry getting naked. I'm lovin' it.
Shame he had to cup his junk, for multiple reasons. It would've added to the scandal.

But jokes aside; he's 27, in Vegas with mates. What were people expecting? Sucks for Harry somebody had to take a few pics. I bet that person is earning some big bucks with this.

But yeah, I doubt the BRF is clapping in their hands with joy at the moment. Especially after having such a good year.
Curious to see how he's going to be received with the public after he comes home.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

You're obviously not the only one who disagrees with his behaviour, you just have to read the thread you posted in to notice that. The people who are 'calm' about his behaviour just have a different opinion. Like myself, I see nothing wrong with what's occurred. Yes it's a bit awkward that these pictures have appeared and the stranger who took them should be ashamed for selling them. But there are worse things in the world than this.

We have married Kings who cavort more or less openly with mistresses(Juan Carlos and Carl-Gustaf), Princes who date porn stars and engage in bar brawls(Carl-Philip and Pierre Casiraghi)

I included Pierre because he was raised and educated like a Prince and lives like a Prince. He is Royal in everything but name.

Thanks Lumutqueen for stating the obvious.

 

[BeatrixFan]

This whole incident shows how hypocritical we all are IMO. Harry has always been celebrated for being "down to earth" and "normal", it's something we hear endlessly. Since Diana died, it's been about how her 'natural' attitude was something she'd pass to William and Harry and how wonderful it'd be to see the royal family being less aloof. He's celebrated for giving TV interviews, for running races against Usain Bolt, for not standing on ceremony - that's the Prince Harry brand we created. It's what the press wanted, it's what thousands of messages on these forums over the years have said was what made Harry special. Well, now he's done something alot of normal, natural, down to earth people do and we don't like it. Suddenly it's 1855 and we're all living conservative lives. This is the mess you get into when you start to demand the royal family be "down to earth". They can't win either way.

Getting naked at a party isn't misbehaving, he didn't strip off in public, the photographs were made public and not by him. He can't live in a cage. What's he supposed to do, live like a monk in private just in case? It's a ridiculous expectation to put on a young man who likes to enjoy himself and I think people are being unfair. He's not stupid, he's not tacky, he's not a sex fiend - he's just having fun doing something that doesn't particularly hurt anybody and when you consider that he's served in Afghanistan and will most likely be going out there again soon, I don't begrudge him that fun.

 

[casualfan]

He had guests there and they celebrated and one guest betrayed his trust.:

We have a saying in Spanish, "you can't cover the sun with your finger." it's incredibly naive of him to think that some randoms he picked up in a bar in Vegas will be worthy of any trust. Seriously? These are skanks who are of course going to be out for a quick buck. At best, Hary was drunk and foolish. At worst...