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Old 08-22-2012, 10:44 AM
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Celebrities routinely have a member of their entourage confiscate mobiles of anyone who enters their room. It's insurance against this sort of thing happening.
Yeah, or they could've told the girls: If you don't give it up, you're not getting in. And like I said in the other thread, Vegas is famewhore central...those girls would've been happy just to be in the room. Of course, they still would've sold their story, but they would not have had pics and it would be meaningless. Beyond that though, Harry or his friends could've easily required this action as well.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:44 AM
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I'm not shocked or appalled by the nudity, but I do think Harry displayed a serious lack of judgment by getting naked in front of complete strangers.

I do wonder what the reaction would be if these pictures were of Beatrice or Eugenie though. Would people be okay with them getting naked and hugging up on random strangers, or would they get condemned for it?
I agree with your first statement.

As for Eugenie, didn't she get naked during a school party some years ago? I heard she ran around the school grounds with other nude classmates. Of course, she wasn't photographed, but I can imagine the shock some people had hearing that.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:48 AM
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Interviewed on The World at One Alex van Straubenzee, whose son Thomas has known the prince since childhood, said that "more than anything he is a British soldier. He has a very, very good qualification in the job he does for the Army and I think this is what people will look at" and that what he called "tittle-tattle" will blow over.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:49 AM
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Then back to my original thought: he wanted the media back away from any article that has him settle down. Maybe the Cressida-friendship is more than he wants to get out and organised this as a cover?

It comes to mind how William split with Catherine and that noone really knows (apart from some insiders) if they were really off or did it just to get Catherine out of the media pressure. But it did work for her.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:53 AM
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Celebrities routinely have a member of their entourage confiscate mobiles of anyone who enters their room. It's insurance against this sort of thing happening.
Yes but there is a difference between you being a private security guard for a celebrity ( who sometimes get sued by people when confiscate their phones) and a police officer who is being paid by the government.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:53 AM
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He was having fun, no doubt. Nothing wrong with a little fun. He need not adhere to prudish Victorian standards, he gets to set his own.
But he has to represent Britain. This isn't a normal guy, sorry. If he wants to misbehave, he should keep it behind closed doors, not on the cover of TMZ.

It's the same reason why some have problems with Diana, Andrew, Fergie, Carl Philip, etc etc etc.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:58 AM
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Dayum, this is such a good summer for scandals and gossip. Katie divorcing Tom, Kristen cheating on Robert, the Jackson family at eachother throats, Harry getting naked. I'm lovin' it.
Shame he had to cup his junk, for multiple reasons. It would've added to the scandal.

But jokes aside; he's 27, in Vegas with mates. What were people expecting? Sucks for Harry somebody had to take a few pics. I bet that person is earning some big bucks with this.

But yeah, I doubt the BRF is clapping in their hands with joy at the moment. Especially after having such a good year.
Curious to see how he's going to be received with the public after he comes home.
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Old 08-22-2012, 10:59 AM
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You're obviously not the only one who disagrees with his behaviour, you just have to read the thread you posted in to notice that. The people who are 'calm' about his behaviour just have a different opinion. Like myself, I see nothing wrong with what's occurred. Yes it's a bit awkward that these pictures have appeared and the stranger who took them should be ashamed for selling them. But there are worse things in the world than this.
We have married Kings who cavort more or less openly with mistresses(Juan Carlos and Carl-Gustaf), Princes who date porn stars and engage in bar brawls(Carl-Philip and Pierre Casiraghi)

I included Pierre because he was raised and educated like a Prince and lives like a Prince. He is Royal in everything but name.

Thanks Lumutqueen for stating the obvious.
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:00 AM
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This whole incident shows how hypocritical we all are IMO. Harry has always been celebrated for being "down to earth" and "normal", it's something we hear endlessly. Since Diana died, it's been about how her 'natural' attitude was something she'd pass to William and Harry and how wonderful it'd be to see the royal family being less aloof. He's celebrated for giving TV interviews, for running races against Usain Bolt, for not standing on ceremony - that's the Prince Harry brand we created. It's what the press wanted, it's what thousands of messages on these forums over the years have said was what made Harry special. Well, now he's done something alot of normal, natural, down to earth people do and we don't like it. Suddenly it's 1855 and we're all living conservative lives. This is the mess you get into when you start to demand the royal family be "down to earth". They can't win either way.

Getting naked at a party isn't misbehaving, he didn't strip off in public, the photographs were made public and not by him. He can't live in a cage. What's he supposed to do, live like a monk in private just in case? It's a ridiculous expectation to put on a young man who likes to enjoy himself and I think people are being unfair. He's not stupid, he's not tacky, he's not a sex fiend - he's just having fun doing something that doesn't particularly hurt anybody and when you consider that he's served in Afghanistan and will most likely be going out there again soon, I don't begrudge him that fun.
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:00 AM
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He had guests there and they celebrated and one guest betrayed his trust.:
We have a saying in Spanish, "you can't cover the sun with your finger." it's incredibly naive of him to think that some randoms he picked up in a bar in Vegas will be worthy of any trust. Seriously? These are skanks who are of course going to be out for a quick buck. At best, Hary was drunk and foolish. At worst...
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:02 AM
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Princes who date porn stars and engage in bar brawls(Carl-Philip and Pierre Casiraghi)
Not to derail the thread, but Sofia Hellqvist was not a porn star. She may have kissed one, but that doesn't mean she did porn.

But yes, there are worse things in the world than what Harry did. Its not like he hurt anyone.
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:02 AM
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If not even that. With technology, things last FOREVER.

Somewhere in the world, in Germany, in the States, in England, etc. There is some young man or a young lady (around 20 or so) ...that is going to do something not so bright. Whether its taking a naked picture of yourself for the love of your life (or who you think is the love of your life but lets face it your 20 so you don't know), trying drugs for the first time (not that I am condoning that), or something else that isn't that smart.

Flash forward 20 or 30 years...you are now married to the love of your life (the real kind not that stuff you thought was love), and you are thinking of running for office. Guess what someone finds in a box of old pictures, or stored on a memory drive..you got it...that naked picture of you from 20 years ago. Or they remember you guys tried drugs for the first time in the dorms. Guess who now can make a quick couple of thousands of dollars...Guess what might haunt you.

Does that make sense?
Yes, it does. But then maybe Harry has no problem with these pics? They don't show any bad character trait, just some love of risqué plays that are perfectly in his home country. He did not hit a dog, did not make jokes about disabled people, did not fake his exams, did not take bribes - so where's the beef? He partied just like the Lord has created him: big deal.

As for being careful what kind of pics you allow of yourself: the youngsters I know are all perfectly aware of that, so I have yet to see some wild party pics of them on FB.
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:02 AM
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I think some parts of the world have a stronger puritanical streak thsn others which is reflected in several posts.
I actually don't think the big issue is the moral issue (mainly because there's no way IMO royals should be held up as paragons as moral virtue); it's just about being savvy as a public figure.
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:08 AM
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Call this parties whatever you want! For me these are the most disgusting photos I have seen of a royal. Is he not having sex in one of them?? And they were not taken by paparazzi from far away, this was taken by one of his stupid "friends" or worse, a stranger. It makes me sad because it makes his brother look better, and he isn´t so.
More disgusting than the very married King of Spain off on holiday with a blonde young enough to be his daughter?

I agree that Harry should be more careful. One day some bimbo could end up getting him into real trouble.

But it's not the end of civilization as we know it because everyone can see what Prince Harry's bare arse looks like, imo.
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That is exactly it.
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:18 AM
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I actually don't think the big issue is the moral issue (mainly because there's no way IMO royals should be held up as paragons as moral virtue); it's just about being savvy as a public figure.
Exactly.

I would have expected that by his late 20s he'd have known to be incredibly careful with who he spends his off time with.
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:19 AM
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I don't think the party itself was such a big deal, but why oh why would Harry put himself in that situation with a bunch of strangers?

It's not like he doesn't know there's no such thing as privacy unless you're safely behind palace walls.
But in a hotel room with some Vegas showgirls? He had to suspect someone was apt to cash in!

Makes me question his judgment, but perhaps he'd been drinking?
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:20 AM
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This whole incident shows how hypocritical we all are IMO. Harry has always been celebrated for being "down to earth" and "normal", it's something we hear endlessly. Since Diana died, it's been about how her 'natural' attitude was something she'd pass to William and Harry and how wonderful it'd be to see the royal family being less aloof. He's celebrated for giving TV interviews, for running races against Usain Bolt, for not standing on ceremony - that's the Prince Harry brand we created. It's what the press wanted, it's what thousands of messages on these forums over the years have said was what made Harry special. Well, now he's done something alot of normal, natural, down to earth people do and we don't like it. Suddenly it's 1855 and we're all living conservative lives. This is the mess you get into when you start to demand the royal family be "down to earth". They can't win either way.

Getting naked at a party isn't misbehaving, he didn't strip off in public, the photographs were made public and not by him. He can't live in a cage. What's he supposed to do, live like a monk in private just in case? It's a ridiculous expectation to put on a young man who likes to enjoy himself and I think people are being unfair. He's not stupid, he's not tacky, he's not a sex fiend - he's just having fun doing something that doesn't particularly hurt anybody and when you consider that he's served in Afghanistan and will most likely be going out there again soon, I don't begrudge him that fun.
I think you have said it well.

I think others are right who say he wlll be deployed to Afghanistan sooner rather than later for some absolution - and PR distraction - as a result of this.

While I see nothing amiss with his private behavior (it's the photographer who should be suffering our condemnation) - it will begin to limit his pool of wife-candidates, unfortunately - were he so inclined and I doubt he is. If that most recent lady being touted as his girlfriend sees this, she's probably hit the road. This is not a man who is looking in all the right places - and right ways - for 'true love' to come dancing his way. If anything, he is ripe for the worst kind of opportunist - and he may find himself one day 'bitten' in unlooked for ways. A day may come when Chelsy Davy will look like Mother Theresa.
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Old 08-22-2012, 11:25 AM
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I don't think the party itself was such a big deal, but why oh why would Harry put himself in that situation with a bunch of strangers?

It's not like he doesn't know there's no such thing as privacy unless you're safely behind palace walls.
But in a hotel room with some Vegas showgirls? He had to suspect someone was apt to cash in!

Makes me question his judgment, but perhaps he'd been drinking?
Mirabel, I think the drinking is the problem. He needs to get counseling for what is likely a problem with alcohol.
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I think we all the know the answer to that. You only have to read some of the comments of Sarah showing up at the Olympics w/ Beatrice and Eugenie. You would think she punched some guy on the corner and stole his ticket to get in the venue.

There is definitely a double standard both here at TRF and the court of public opinion. For some, the sins of the child come from the parent.
Most definitely. Fergie would be totally blamed for their actions.

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I agree with your first statement.

As for Eugenie, didn't she get naked during a school party some years ago? I heard she ran around the school grounds with other nude classmates. Of course, she wasn't photographed, but I can imagine the shock some people had hearing that.
Yeah, she and some friends went streaking. I think the reactions would have been brutal if she had actually been photographed. Just look at the crap she took for those photos of her on the beach in Thailand. She wasn't even nude, but people were saying that she behaved inappropriately and was disgracing the BRF.

I just think there is a pass given to males for certain behavior that there isn't for women. Chelsy and Pippa have been called tacky and trashy for partying. And take a look at the fashion threads, female royals are routinely criticized for wearing their skirts too short. I can just imagine the judgement if any of them were photographed playing strip billiards.
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